I like Kelly but...............

[ignatiusjk]

I like BK but I think he has gone as far as he can go with ND.He's done better than anybody has done since Holtz but I think he's gone as far as he can go.I don't like the idea of starting over but Kelly I think has done all he can do.

 

[57Patrick]

Unless the bottom falls out (1-2 ugh!), Kelly isn't going anywhere. But if he were to leave after this year, we wouldn't be starting over. Kelly will leave this program in much better shape than when he took over. Currently, we have top 11 to 25 talent. We need to take the next step, which appears to be very difficult to do.

 

[ignatiusjk]

Kelly wont quit what coach would,and like I said we still have to play USC and Stanford.

 

[LH24ND]

BK is not going anywhere at years end as I feel there will be a major overhaul of the defense and he has one shot to get the right guy in here. Sadly I see at least four more ugly loses down the road as we play no defense at all.

 

[ftnfan62]

Jimbo fisher is available. So is charlie strong.

Still think we evaluate how we did with 16 first time starters at the end of the year.

CB and D-line is not progressing. Receivers seem to be. O-line is C grade right now.

 

[rgc7]

A good first start for Kelly would be to stop always receiving the ball first. I know our defense is bad, but the large number of coaches usually defer receiving until the second half. There must be a reason but than again, Kelly is smarter than the majority of all other coaches !
Then he better start with two new line coaches, tough fundamentally sound teachers of blocking and tackling .
Joe Moore was that type of oline coach, not a likeable guy, but some really great outstanding line talent flocked to ND
to play for him as their ticket to the NFL.
I'de like to think that Kelly could take charge of the defense, but I am afraid that he is like Charlie Was , love to coach offense, but was really never a good defensive coach ?

 

[Eph97]

Would you fire Kelly and take Petrino or Briles, with all their baggage, to coach at ND?

 

[ftnfan62]

Only 2 coaches ahead of BK IMO is Meyer and Petrino.

 

[perseverare]

^ that is a 'hall of shame' post and if your not on the payroll, or having your meal ticket punched it borders on bizarre.

 

[NIN Irish]

A good first start for Kelly would be to stop always receiving the ball first. I know our defense is bad, but the large number of coaches usually defer receiving until the second half. There must be a reason but than again, Kelly is smarter than the majority of all other coaches !
Then he better start with two new line coaches, tough fundamentally sound teachers of blocking and tackling .
Joe Moore was that type of oline coach, not a likeable guy, but some really great outstanding line talent flocked to ND
to play for him as their ticket to the NFL.
I'de like to think that Kelly could take charge of the defense, but I am afraid that he is like Charlie Was , love to coach offense, but was really never a good defensive coach ?

Too bad he didn't use the same mindset on that 4th down play and rely on the offense instead of the defense. It seemed so obvious with such little time remaining and this defense. Has he noticed the defensive play this season, or at least during this game?

Too many questionable decisions year after year. I've never been comfortable with Kelly as head coach, keep hoping for the best only to be let down. Time for change. A coach who doesn't take the ball 1st!

 

[mbd11]

We know what we have in Kelly now. He'll win 8-10 games a year, turn a lot of players out to the NFL, and be competitive. But he'll lose most of the big games and won't contend for championships too often. He's not on the level of Saban or Meyer. He's more like Miles and Richt.

 

[ignatiusjk]

We know what we have in Kelly now. He'll win 8-10 games a year, turn a lot of players out to the NFL, and be competitive. But he'll lose most of the big games and won't contend for championships too often. He's not on the level of Saban or Meyer. He's more like Miles and Richt.

Take the academic standard away from Kelly then how would he do.Remember Saban and Meyer don't have the high academic standards to deal with.

 

[HRC08]

The elephant in the room is the fact that Notre Dame doesn't have the players to beat most top 10 teams. Now they should have beaten Michigan State last night but the Spartans don't have elite talent either. That makes it all the worse.

I also agree that BK's reached his ceiling here. He can't get enough elite defenders and thus won't beat the really elite teams.

 

[theskibro]

I like BK but I think he has gone as far as he can go with ND.He's done better than anybody has done since Holtz but I think he's gone as far as he can go.I don't like the idea of starting over but Kelly I think has done all he can do.

True.

 

[mbd11]

The elephant in the room is the fact that Notre Dame doesn't have the players to beat most top 10 teams. Now they should have beaten Michigan State last night but the Spartans don't have elite talent either. That makes it all the worse.

I also agree that BK's reached his ceiling here. He can't get enough elite defenders and thus won't beat the really elite teams.

I don't quite buy this argument. We've had 22 players drafted in the last 4 drafts, compared with 13 for Michigan State and 11 for Michigan. Alabama had 31 drafted in that span. LSU had 27.

So if you go buy NFL draft numbers (a good indicator IMO), we've been at a fairly high level in recent years, not as high as Bama and LSU, but better than Michigan and MSU.

Harbaugh took over a team that wasn't exactly loaded, and in his first season, they had the 4th-ranked defense in the nation. His DC left for the Maryland job, so he went out and hired BC's DC, who had the top-ranked defense in the nation. So if you focus on defense, you can put together a pretty good defense, even without having elite recruiting.