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From TOS

"October, 2011

"You can see the players that I have recruited, you know who they are," Kelly said Thursday. "We’ve had one class of kids that we’ve recruited that I’ve had my hand on."

"The other guys here are coming along," Kelly added. "It’s a process. It can’t happen overnight. They'’re getting it. They'’re making good progress."


The last Weis class was gone after 2013. Since then, Kelly has gone .610.

If ND loses to Miami, that percentage will drop to .590.


Excluding the bowl game he didn't coach, Ty Willingham went .600 at ND."
 
was wondering when someone was gonna notice that.
Kelly actually lowers the overall winning percentage at ND.

Is this the kind of thing that merits statues and extensions ?

Did JS earn a commission on that extension?....he should have!
 
From TOS

"October, 2011

"You can see the players that I have recruited, you know who they are," Kelly said Thursday. "We’ve had one class of kids that we’ve recruited that I’ve had my hand on."

"The other guys here are coming along," Kelly added. "It’s a process. It can’t happen overnight. They'’re getting it. They'’re making good progress."


The last Weis class was gone after 2013. Since then, Kelly has gone .610.

If ND loses to Miami, that percentage will drop to .590.


Excluding the bowl game he didn't coach, Ty Willingham went .600 at ND."

Can probably make the argument that BK and TY are about equal as coaches - BK is a better recruiter (at least his recruiting rankings substantiate that ) but, maybe Ty was better at developing what he had on the field ?

BK might be one of the worst game day coaches ND has ever had. Well, I'll put CW as worst ever followed closely by BK. Yes, Boob Davie and TY were both better game day coaches than BK. BK game plans are abysmal. (throwing the ball constantly in a monsoon // Not going after a Stanford D that started two back ups at CB and were thrashed through the air just in their 2 previous games by Wa. and Wa. St. and trying to constantly run the ball into the best strength of the Stanford D - their front 7)

The offensive play calling atrocious pretty much all 7 years. His special teams have been lackluster or below average all 7 years. We know how bad the defense has been. The only good thing he has done - on paper his recruiting classes have been pretty good. His offense between the 20's pretty good. His red zone offense - atrocious almost all 7 seasons His short yardage offense atrocious all 7 seasons.

His player interactions - atrocious.

Most over rated coach to ever walk the ND sidelines.

His demeanor and excuse making - atrocious.

How long does JS ride his horse ?
 
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I've never felt that 8 & 4 was a good recruiter. Thought he was a terrible closer and what he did get was not because of him, but the school mystic. Weis was a great recruiter. He was the first one who could bring, through the force of his own presentation, 5* quality players. This was a first compared to his predecessors. 8 & 4 is a phony. It came across in his conversations with his recruits. Once the really good players left, 8 & 4's real talent (lack of it) became clear. An underachieving, gimmick, D2 coach who offered prima facie evidence to the reality of the Peter Principal.
 
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I remember these kind of declarations from Kelly, and I think he was largely right at the time; except for the unnecessary self serving need to throw Weis' players under the bus. Turns out this was a preview of things to come. We did play soft under Weis and most of us were eager for a new level of toughness on both sides of the ball, and his early recruiting seemed to deliver on this promise. Seven years later and ND is once again a finesse team with little toughness and fewer good fundamentals.
 
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I've never felt that 8 & 4 was a good recruiter. Thought he was a terrible closer and what he did get was not because of him, but the school mystic. Weis was a great recruiter. He was the first one who could bring, through the force of his own presentation, 5* quality players. This was a first compared to his predecessors. 8 & 4 is a phony. It came across in his conversations with his recruits. Once the really good players left, 8 & 4's real talent (lack of it) became clear. Underachieving, gimmick, D2 coach who offered prima facie evidence to the reality of the Peter Principal.

To follow up on this, don't think for a minute Kelly didn't suspect the same. That's why the moment it presented itself to go to the pros, he was on a plane to Philadelphia. His new extension is a horrible mistake and terrible blemish on Swarbrick's resume. Bad judgement there.
 
Take away the "Faust players" and Holtz was merely an 8-3 coach. Other than maybe the first season, coaches records speak for themselves.
 
To follow up on this, don't think for a minute Kelly didn't suspect the same. That's why the moment it presented itself to go to the pros, he was on a plane to Philadelphia. His new extension is a horrible mistake and terrible blemish on Swarbrick's resume. Bad judgement there.

From TOS:

"1. In its last 40 games, ND has beaten two teams that finished (or will finish) in the top 25 - USC in 2013 and Navy last year. And Reynolds was hurt for most of the game last year.

2. He's now 3-7 over the last ten games, with a close win over 3-9 BostonCollege, and wins against Nevada and Syracuse. In the same time span, ND has lost to 3-3 Texas, 2-4 MSU, 3-4 Duke, 4-2 NC State, and a 4-2 Stanford team that had lost its previous two games by a combined 22-86 and was without its Heisman candidate. Any decent team would have blown their doors off. I don't think it was unreasonable to expect a big win. This was an awful loss -- the fifth one of the season.

3. He is supposed to be an offensive expert and a QB developer. His most prolific offense finished 34th in scoring and 79th in red zone TD %. His current offense is 65th and 59th. 89th in rushing. His starting QBs could double as a Brian Kelly enemies list: first it was Crist's fault, then the hilarious "Tommy No!" years, then Golson's fault, then we finally found the guy. And put him in a two-QB rotation against Texas. Yesterday was pretty convincing evidence even DeShone Kizer can't withstand being coached by offensive expert and QB guru Brian Kelly.

4. He's not beating good teams, and he loses to too many bad teams. He hasn't even played many. Nine games in his career against AP top-ten teams (at the time of the game), and he's 2-7. He's lost to 14 unranked teams.

5. The post-2012 seasons, the years where Kelly had his own guys) have been a combined 29-17. That's .630. That includes the bowl wins. A 4-8 finish would put him right around .600 for that period. That's not the "hey, we have a good but not great coach" zone. That's right there in the [inaudible].

6. Almost no one is improving. The OL was a joke last night. ND has supposedly been recruiting top OL classes for years. Three guys in particular last night wouldn't start for Air Force. Special teams is still awful. Running game is still an afterthought (Folston had 6.1 ypc and EIGHT total rushes). Hunter and St. Brown are doing well and the tackling has improved, but that's about it.

7. Game plans and playcalling are mystifying. Unless you consider the fact that this team can't just build a game plan around running, because they have no running game. It's a structural defect in the foundation. One of the two things an American football offense needs to do, we don't give a wet fart about. Where was "the only guy with grit" last night, Dexter Williams? Why did Folston prove he could carve out a run game by himself and not touch the ball?

8. The coach with no mentor and no apprenticeship is proving he has nothing but his own gut to turn to in times of crisis. The Kizer-Zaire deal is about as clear as it gets that we have a coach in over his head.

9. This program has become too expensive to squander. Kelly has been given all ND can give, and he has not delivered.

To wrap this up at last, this team does nothing well, and they're getting worse. With a body of work light on success and heavy on embarrassment, the conclusion is unavoidable. We can no longer accept the trajectory of this program."
 
To follow up on this, don't think for a minute Kelly didn't suspect the same. That's why the moment it presented itself to go to the pros, he was on a plane to Philadelphia. His new extension is a horrible mistake and terrible blemish on Swarbrick's resume. Bad judgement there.

Sawbrick can save his own legacy at ND if he had the stones to let BK and go and be the AD who finally found that great coach ND has been looking for since Holtz.

The Sawbrick resume is taking serious hits the longer he keeps BK around. He may go down as another White.
 
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I remember these kind of declarations from Kelly, and I think he was largely right at the time; except for the unnecessary self serving need to throw Weis' players under the bus. Turns out this was a preview of things to come. We did play soft under Weis and most of us were eager for a new level of toughness on both sides of the ball, and his early recruiting seemed to deliver on this promise. Seven years later and ND is once again a finesse team with little toughness and fewer good fundamentals.

Spot on Telx - we are a finesse team w/ piss poor fundamentals.
 
Can probably make the argument that BK and TY are about equal as coaches - BK is a better recruiter (at least his recruiting rankings substantiate that ) but, maybe Ty was better at developing what he had on the field ?

BK might be one of the worst game day coaches ND has ever had. Well, I'll put CW as worst ever followed closely by BK. Yes, Boob Davie and TY were both better game day coaches than BK. BK game plans are abysmal. (throwing the ball constantly in a monsoon // Not going after a Stanford D that started two back ups at CB and were thrashed through the air just in their 2 previous games by Wa. and Wa. St. and trying to constantly run the ball into the best strength of the Stanford D - their front 7)

The offensive play calling atrocious pretty much all 7 years. His special teams have been lackluster or below average all 7 years. We know how bad the defense has been. The only good thing he has done - on paper his recruiting classes have been pretty good. His offense between the 20's pretty good. His red zone offense - atrocious almost all 7 seasons His short yardage offense atrocious all 7 seasons.

His player interactions - atrocious.

Most over rated coach to ever walk the ND sidelines.

His demeanor and excuse making - atrocious.

How long does JS ride his horse ?
Jerry Faust might garner some votes on that worst scenario....but one of the most well liked as well.
 
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