Final two teams and they share.....

[88ND]

Last two teams remain...

Let's get to the root of the success...

The very last two teams have the best defensive lines in the land. No question.

They create havoc without having to blitz every play and allow the back seven to over match the offense.

Our D line is no where close to champion football. That's fact. Sadly.

Think Meyer was missing Bosa tonight?

Get animal defensive linemen or someone that knows how to get high energy out of our lazy play and maybe we can some day make noise.

 

[Get Nasty]

Meyer had a bosa tonight

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Alabama and Clemson have 5* players on both sides of the ball and have gotten 5* players each year for the last 6-7 years. We have nothing, but supplemental players who (aside from Kizer) would not make the 2 deeps on either side of the ball. Until you have a head coach who players want to come here and be apart of the HC's program, because HE is the HC, not because of the school, you will be watching other teams play for the NC for many, many years. That's reality today. Get used to it.

 

[Izo]

Repeating what pundits are posting . There is no way we should have lost to Duke, Navy, Texas etc .we had more talent so coaching played a part . Yes , we shoulda or coulda had a 10-2 ,9-3 season and at least a top 10-15 ranking . Also pointing out ND has nowhere near the talent of Alabama , Clemson, even Ohio State, Southern Cal,. Florida State is a team to be reckoned with next season.you have to look at what Petersen and Franklin have accomplished at Washington and Penn State

Since 2012 we have not beaten anybody .Reality

 

[floridairish]

They share the same offensive philosophy.
Shotgun
Dual Threat QB- Watson / Hurts
ONE dynamic back- Galman/Scarborough
ONE TE -who is off the ball and put in motion to create Formations and blocking angles for runs like Clemson QB CTR they ran all night long.
Spread Formations- 3WR
Tempo
#1 establish perimeter with Jets Sweeps and Quick screens.
#2 establish Inside Zone Read and Gap Runs with ONE BACK and QB running.
#3 use play action and take deep shots down the field.

OSU loaded up box Clemson threw screens, ran Jet Sweeps and took shots with M Williams. OSU spread out Clemson ran Watson and Galman on IZ and QB Counter.

If you recruit well on defense, you will have a good defense. But offense is about attacking 11 defenders in all 18 areas of the football field 8 Gaps 8 Pass Zones and 2 Flats.

 

[floridairish]

I know the sewing circle might be a little overwhelmed at this point. Because actual football talk sails over their heads quicker than one of JT Barretts passes.

Hopefully Santa brought those silly kids a sorely needed copy of Football for Dummies.

Happy New Year!

 

[Irishjohn68]

Alabama and Clemson have 5* players on both sides of the ball and have gotten 5* players each year for the last 6-7 years. We have nothing, but supplemental players who (aside from Kizer) would not make the 2 deeps on either side of the ball. Until you have a head coach who players want to come here and be apart of the HC's program, because HE is the HC, not because of the school, you will be watching other teams play for the NC for many, many years. That's reality today. Get used to it.

But that is true about every other college football team. Bama is playing and recruiting at a different level then everyone else.

 

[perseverare]

defense will keep you in games and gives you chances to win.

Clemson's D is not that far off Bama. And they are getting better.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Repeating what pundits are posting . There is no way we should have lost to Duke, Navy, Texas etc .we had more talent so coaching played a part . Yes , we shoulda or coulda had a 10-2 ,9-3 season and at least a top 10-15 ranking . Also pointing out ND has nowhere near the talent of Alabama , Clemson, even Ohio State, Southern Cal,. Florida State is a team to be reckoned with next season.you have to look at what Petersen and Franklin have accomplished at Washington and Penn State

Since 2012 we have not beaten anybody .Reality

In 2012 we had 5* players on each side of the ball. Thanks to Weis who could bring those players here. Today we have mediocrity and have not recruited but one, Smith, 5* since. Could these coaches above have won 9,10 games with this team, maybe, I would like to think so, but you will never be in the final 4 again until you can recruit 5* players and more often than not they come because of the HC not the school. If you are just satisfied with a nice final record, fine, I'd like to see us challenge for a NC and that won't happen until a new HC and staff is in place. Talk to Swarbrick.

 

[irishalice]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...ecruiting-background-of-cfp-starting-lineups/


http://gridironnow.com/how-top-25-teams-fared-in-recruiting-in-past-5-years/


Interesting articles, the second link is from 1/2016.

 

[hvillebill]

In 2012 we had 5* players on each side of the ball. Thanks to Weis who could bring those players here. Today we have mediocrity and have not recruited but one, Smith, 5* since. Could these coaches above have won 9,10 games with this team, maybe, I would like to think so, but you will never be in the final 4 again until you can recruit 5* players and more often than not they come because of the HC not the school. If you are just satisfied with a nice final record, fine, I'd like to see us challenge for a NC and that won't happen until a new HC and staff is in place. Talk to Swarbrick.

The one problem with most of the 5-stars is that they're interested in one thing: getting to the NFL. They don't care about getting an education, so they're going to go to the football factories. It's like college basketball with the one-and-dones.

Weis brought in some 5-star recruits, but they were all on the offensive side except for Manti. His philosophy was that ND would simply outscore their opponents.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I know the sewing circle might be a little overwhelmed at this point. Because actual football talk sails over their heads quicker than one of JT Barretts passes.

Hopefully Santa brought those silly kids a sorely needed copy of Football for Dummies.

Happy New Year!

You might want to send one of the copies of Football for Dummies to coach Kelly because he sure doesn't get it
Happy New Year

 

[Howard Hall 74]

You might want to send one of the copies of Football for Dummies to coach Kelly because he sure doest get it
Happy New Year

Who's reading it to him? Not enough pictures.

 

[floridairish]

defense will keep you in games and gives you chances to win.

Clemson's D is not that far off Bama. And they are getting better.

Really? A defense that doesn't give up alot of points will keep you in games and give you a chance to win? WOW!!! Who knew? Thank God you are here to breakdown the game Captain Obvious! What's next? The sky is blue. Water is wet. The sewing circle is clueless.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Really? A defense that doesn't give up alot of points will keep you in games and give you a chance to win? WOW!!! Who knew? Thank God you are here to breakdown the game Captain Obvious! What's next? The sky is blue. Water is wet. The sewing circle is clueless.

Then why hasn't this simple practice been performed at ND he past 5 seasons?

 

[floridairish]

You think coordinating and putting a big time defense on the field at the major college football level is a "simple practice?"

Why don't YOU tell us how YOU would have ND playing defense at a big time level coach.

I mean it is a "simple practice". I'm waiting...

 

[floridairish]

Still waiting...

 

[floridairish]

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[Telx1]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...ecruiting-background-of-cfp-starting-lineups/


http://gridironnow.com/how-top-25-teams-fared-in-recruiting-in-past-5-years/


Interesting articles, the second link is from 1/2016.

Thanks Irish Alice. These facts are useful up to a point. Kelly has clearly recruited well in terms of ranking. Unfortunately, our recruiting has been uneven and as a result, we have inferior talent in key positions, most notably the defensive line and ends in particular. I'm in the camp that argues a really good coach can compete for the NC every few years if they consistently recruit top ten classes, and the same coach can and should compete for the NC every year if they consistently recruit top five classes with their share of five star talent. Alabama is the later with Saban and their recruiting, and Norte Dame is the former with its recruiting, but Kelly falls short of the really good coach standard in my opinion. Personally, I would be a satisfied fan if we won a NC every ten years, competed in the playoffs three out of ten years, and finished in the top ten six out of ten years. I feel we have recruited well enough to perform at this level, but our coaching and player development fall short of what is necessary to perform at this level.

 

[57Patrick]

The WOW factor of the first article to me is not that AL has more 5 stars than WA. We knew that. It is the significant disparity and the fact that as big a disparity as there is, with the exception of the 6 pick, WA almost stood toe to toe with AL. Also, arguably the best player mentioned in the article was the Clemson QB, a 4 star. That should provide hope to the rest of the college world. Does ND have to as many 5 stars as AL to beat AL? No. It would be nice, but it isn't necessary. ND needs as many top players 3, 4 and 5 stars as they can get, but more importantly, in the right positions. ND's offense is talented enough to compete with anyone. Yes, they do need an identity. And from my uneducated, high school player's view (at 5'8" and 130lbs, for whatever reason colleges didn't beat my door down) Defensively, the Irish have been woefully short on quality and depth. We do have talent at DL and LB. We simply don't have the quality numbers to consistently compete. From what I've read on this board, Elko likes to play a lot of players and BVG didn't due to his sophisticated schemes. It will be interesting to see what Elko brings to the equation. BTW - Never fear, 40+ years after high school graduation, I gained needed football weight (180). But dad gum it, I didn't get the height to go with it!! Oh well...

 

[deadirishpoet]

You think coordinating and putting a big time defense on the field at the major college football level is a "simple practice?"

Why don't YOU tell us how YOU would have ND playing defense at a big time level coach.

I mean it is a "simple practice". I'm waiting...

Well I guess I mistook your "If you recruit well on defense, you will have a good defense" as a simple practice considering you've stated coach Kelly isn't the problem.

I did realize you feel it's over coach Kelly's head as we do?

There you go. We have reached common ground.

It is going to be a Happy New Year after all.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[88ND]

I know the sewing circle might be a little overwhelmed at this point. Because actual football talk sails over their heads quicker than one of JT Barretts passes.

Hopefully Santa brought those silly kids a sorely needed copy of Football for Dummies.

Happy New Year!

I can copy and paste too.
WTF is wrong with you?

Oh and most of J.T. Barrett's passes are inaccurate...just like you.

 

[perseverare]

after this recruiting cycle ND's roster talent, considered as a whole will be in the 15-20 range.
ND has not been a top re ruiting team, both defensively and offensively together, for quite some time.

And at this point Kelly is not creditable to prospects nor their families.

 

[88ND]

The one problem with most of the 5-stars is that they're interested in one thing: getting to the NFL. They don't care about getting an education, so they're going to go to the football factories. It's like college basketball with the one-and-dones.

Weis brought in some 5-star recruits, but they were all on the offensive side except for Manti. His philosophy was that ND would simply outscore their opponents.

That's a problem with every star rated player. Bullshit starts at the high school level and they push these kids to lift around the clock, go to these "optional" workouts and seven on seven drills ..optional?? Ha Ha...they know the attendance. They push these kids and ultimately strip away their summer vacations and just overall free time. Then the colleges join in by saying enroll early please.

All this shit with a fallacy of playing on Sunday for a big check that most will never ever realize.

 

[john0gaunt]

I see a lot of Junior's and Senior's playing for Clemson. Also see a bunch of upperclassmen that will be starting for Alabama.

ND will have a JV team if all goes well and they can remain healthy and in school for 2017. Slightly more experienced than what was basically the freshman team that we fielded in 2016.

 

[cgvr]

In 2012 we had 5* players on each side of the ball. Thanks to Weis who could bring those players here. Today we have mediocrity and have not recruited but one, Smith, 5* since. Could these coaches above have won 9,10 games with this team, maybe, I would like to think so, but you will never be in the final 4 again until you can recruit 5* players and more often than not they come because of the HC not the school. If you are just satisfied with a nice final record, fine, I'd like to see us challenge for a NC and that won't happen until a new HC and staff is in place. Talk to Swarbrick.

Jaylon Smith recruited himself. kelly had no bearing on his decision to attend and Smith said so....

 

[cgvr]

I know the sewing circle might be a little overwhelmed at this point. Because actual football talk sails over their heads quicker than one of JT Barretts passes.

Hopefully Santa brought those silly kids a sorely needed copy of Football for Dummies.

Happy New Year!

kelly's bio could be, "Vulgar Football bullying dummy" .
You could write the foreward with the crayons you haven't eaten....

 

[deadirishpoet]

kelly's bio could be, "Vulgar Football bullying dummy" .
You could write the foreward with the crayons you haven't eaten....

Now that's funny stuff

 

[deadirishpoet]

Jaylon Smith recruited himself. kelly had no bearing on his decision to attend and Smith said so....

I believe he same could be said about Nix

 

[cgvr]

I believe he same could be said about Nix

Jaylon Smith Notre Dame man...

 

[88ND]

Jaylon Smith recruited himself. kelly had no bearing on his decision to attend and Smith said so....

And remember this...we ran a 3-4 defense then which was Jaylon's perfect fit and you can bet that also played into what Jaylon was thinking.

Our idiot NO SENSE coach had no clue that he had the best defensive athlete in South bend for a long long long time and should have promoted that accordingly.

 

[perseverare]

it is frustrating that some 'actual and bonafide' ND fans fail to see the light! these are not to be confused with the Kelly clan minnions here to add propaganda support for their lame duck coach.

 

[tkirish]

ND had the talent to win every game they lost. The didn't have the leadership. I mean from the head coach to the players. The 2012 team had great leadership and the players believed in each other. This years team had some very good young talented players and very good upperclassmen but played as individuals not one unit. There are quite a few reasons for that but the fact is they had very good players that weren't a very good team.

This may sound crazy, but I actually believe they can turn it around next year. The talent is there. What is missing is leadership and cohesion. Kelly is arrogant and prideful. Those traits are usually detrimental. However, it is exactly those traits that will help propell the Irish back into the mix next year. Maybe it's wishful thinking. I simply will not believe that the players the Irish have would crawl into a fetal position and simply quit. These players will turn it around. Keep the faith!

 

[bizzybecknd]

Wow.. What a loser thread, just sad. You lunatics have been beating the same horse (some 30,000 times over) on the EXACT same topics day in and day out for years. Somebody should conduct a physyciatric study on this behavior- I find it bizarre.

 

[francade]

I wonder if the kelly licker on this thread (and every other one) realizes how stupid he (or she) sounds when he/she touts a coach that went 4-8 against one of the worst schedules ND has had in a long long time. The names on the schedule were fine, but where those teams are this season, that was the most manageable schedules I can remember, and I've been watching ND football closely since the early 70s. You sound like an idiot when u rag on other coaches that won 9 or 10 games this season and glorify one that resided over one of the worst seasons ND has ever had. Give it a rest unless you like looking like a horse's ass.

 

[floridairish]

Well I guess I mistook your "If you recruit well on defense, you will have a good defense" as a simple practice considering you've stated coach Kelly isn't the problem.

I did realize you feel it's over coach Kelly's head as we do?

There you go. We have reached common ground.

It is going to be a Happy New Year after all.

Actually putting a big time defense on the field is a complicated football issue. Which is why so few teams play elite defense. It seems like a simple process to you because you are a simpleton and a football ignoramus.

ND has not consistently recruited big time defenders in 26 years spanning 5 Head Coaches. But the dopey "sewing circle" makes themselves feel like big men by blaming the Head Coach. Your little club is just a bunch of nitwits pointing out obvious problems that Stevie Wonder could see. You have no answers, no meaningful feedback because you know nothing about football. Congratulations on being as stupid in 2017 as you were in 2016!

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Talent is not the problem at ND, it's clearly coaching, err lack there of. Kelly has done a lot if good at ND, but he has gone as far as he can.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Talent is not the problem at ND, it's clearly coaching, err lack there of. Kelly has done a lot if good at ND, but he has gone as far as he can.

Don't share those thoughts. Talent level is really the problem at ND. We have struggled attracting talent for defense. Just very few really good players coming on defense over the years and that has been a problem since Weis. Weis was able to attract a few terrific players. Coaching can solve a few defensive problems with a change in schemes, but talent wise, we are no comparison to the top 8-10 teams. That's just the truth. Lots of reasons for the recruiting difficulty as has been discussed here. You need a coach at ND that players will want to come and play for. The days of top talent coming to ND because of the name, Catholic heritage and history are gone forever. Need a coach that people gravitate to. Kelly ain't him! Next year is going to be as disappointing as this year. Prepare yourselves.

 

[perseverare]

Coaching and talent are not up to the standards to compete inside the Top 15.
Only a friendly schedule and that the other teams beat and batter each other out of contention is the path for ND. That will usually result in a post season beatdown!

Still shocked that there are holdout fans, genuine fans, that fail to realize this. I worry they can go out in public, drive cars and/or handle sharp objects; or worse: procreate!