Eye Test Only Used Against ND??

[HoosierGrad2000]

Here's a question I've been wondering about for the last few weeks... Why is it when Notre Dame has a tough game and doesn't play well that everyone in the nation including all of the analysts want to drop them from the top four. This argument didn't exist for Ohio State for the first 10 weeks. It didn't exist for Sparty when they snuck by Rutgers. It didn't apply to Oklahoma State when they won by three at Iowa State. Oklahoma State also gave up nearly 700 yards of offense for three straight games as they went up in the rankings. It didn't apply to Oklahoma when they beat a TCU team down 10 starters by 1. Everyone also seems to have forgotten that Oklahoma lost to a horrible Texas team in a rivalry game as well, the same team that Notre Dame destroyed in week one. Nobody applied this they don't belong in the top four argument to Iowa when they snuck by a terrible Minnesota team at home by three. If the eye test matters then what is Alabama's penalty for playing an FCS school this week? And because Michigan State beat a underachieving all year grossly overrated Ohio State team we should also forget that they lost to an absolutely terrible Nebraska team.

Just curious why this eye test only applies to us

 

[Irish Grandeur]

It's a hot topic that sparks a lot of debate - that's all. Like BK always says, "ignore the noise."

 

[BGI User 348]

Answer......anti-Catholic bigotry.

 

[artemis gordon]

Answer......anti.catholic bigotry.

C in Catholic should be capital. I'm no grammar Nazi but for heaven's sake the last time I checked ND was at least a nominally Catholic school.

 

[HDK]

Last I checked, Notre Dame was fourth in the standings, so I'm not sure what you are complaining about. Should we be #3 or #2? Beats me.

 

[Zorich 88]

Great post Hoosier. I live in lansing MI. I have been saying the same thing to all my sparty friends. In my opinion it is all about the W. ND is 10-1. With a 2 point loss on the road to the #1 team in the nation.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Uh the answer I'd the eye test doesn't apply to the voters that matter.

 

[HoosierGrad2000]

Not complaining, just listening to the ESPN experts saying "we don't look like a top 4 team" based on how we played vs BC. Just pointing out it didn't matter to other teams for the last ten weeks. Not complaining just pointing out the obvious holes in the argument.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

A lot of teams don't pass the eye test but talking about them on radio and TV doesn't matter.

 

[HDK]

And it also doesn't matter if you don't pass the eye test for the first six to eight weeks. Had we played lackluster against Wake and BC in September, nobody would have noticed.

 

[mbd11]

Not complaining, just listening to the ESPN experts saying "we don't look like a top 4 team" based on how we played vs BC. Just pointing out it didn't matter to other teams for the last ten weeks. Not complaining just pointing out the obvious holes in the argument.

You make a good point. One reason could be because it seems like for many of these TV talking heads, the "eye test" only matters for your most recent game. They seem to have very short memories. But the season's 12 games long, and hopefully the committee will continue to do a good job evaluating the entire body of work of each team.

 

[Nocalirish]

The eye test is BS. Strength of schedule is the most meaningful stat to compare teams.

 

[echowaker]

The eye test is BS. Strength of schedule is the most meaningful stat to compare teams.

you may think it's BS but it's clearly a factor in the committees eyes.

 

[Telx1]

I have many friends who hate ND, and most can't explain why. They generally have a perception that ND has recruiting advantages and financial advantages over everyone else, and they like to see the big dog humbled. I've converted a few with facts and stories, but I think these uninformed misperceptions persist in the minds of many, and the sports talking heads seem to reflect this as well. I don't expect this bias from the committee, and we just need to take care of business and bear Stanford. All this talk about playoffs versus a lesser bowl will sort itself out in a few weeks, after we beat the Trees.

 

[TimTerrific]

This country is ripe with anti-Catholic bigotry, but I do not think it extends to the committee making the decision. I do think there are som members who would slight ND because of the refusal to join a conference and the perception that ND considers itself "better" than many other schools based on success overall, over time, academics, culture and the fact that most D1 players cannot get in to Notre Dame.

I think it is foolish to not see "bias" in most things in America.

 

[NDSMC78]

This country is ripe with anti-Catholic bigotry, but I do not think it extends to the committee making the decision. I do think there are som members who would slight ND because of the refusal to join a conference and the perception that ND considers itself "better" than many other schools based on success overall, over time, academics, culture and the fact that most D1 players cannot get in to Notre Dame.

I think it is foolish to not see "bias" in most things in America.

Come on. Where do you come up with this nonsense? There may be some individuals who hold an anti-Catholic prejudice, but that is a very small minority. The country is not "ripe (I think you mean rife) with anti-Catholic bigotry."

 

[napy2121]

I could easily craft an argument that the eye test has cost msu. More or less than nd, I don't know but they are a one loss team ranked behind us more than a few spots. Maybe that changes this week but msu did drop a number of notches after Rutgers.

 

[BGI User 348]

This country is ripe with anti-Catholic bigotry, but I do not think it extends to the committee making the decision. I do think there are som members who would slight ND because of the refusal to join a conference and the perception that ND considers itself "better" than many other schools based on success overall, over time, academics, culture and the fact that most D1 players cannot get in to Notre Dame.

I think it is foolish to not see "bias" in most things in America.

Every Catholic High school program in America is exposed to this lingering religious bigotry whenever school classifications are set for playoffs. Big here in PA. Same in college.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Every Catholic High school program in America is exposed to this lingering religious bigotry whenever school classifications are set for playoffs. Big here in PA. Same in college.

I do not buy that thinking for a second. I went to Catholic schools growing up and never once felt that way. I did see some friction from players/coaches that acted like we were spoiled, rich kids.

 

[echowaker]

Every Catholic High school program in America is exposed to this lingering religious bigotry whenever school classifications are set for playoffs. Big here in PA. Same in college.

can't agree with that. we schedule a couple of the most well known in the state and it's not a problem.