Eric Hansen's Two Minute Drill with Coach Kelly
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That's funny because I totally forget about him until I hear his name brought up. Him & the previous Cali QB were going to win us multiple titles, remember? Lol
While at Kansas under Weis, he finished 116th out 116 (dead last) among qualifying QBs. That is crazy. Dead last.
Great stuff.
I know I've pointed out the disturbing nature of some posters here. Interesting that Coach Kelly points them out himself as the downside of the job.
It also sounds like he is planning to continue coaching for awhile.
Go Irish!
I know I've pointed out the disturbing nature of some posters here. Interesting that Coach Kelly points them out himself as the downside of the job.
It also sounds like he is planning to continue coaching for awhile.
Go Irish!
That first half when all the receivers were dropping his passes put him into shock and Kelly took a years worth of evaluation of a five star talent and threw him on the garbage heap in a fit of pique! Kelly was a self centered insecure prick.! Perhaps he has matured?
What?
Was I where?
In 2006 when Clausen announced I just returned to Indiana from 8 years serving in the AF (97-05).
Then the next year everyone in South Bend was excited about Crist because they thought he was actually a better QB prospect pro style than even Clausen.
I went to all the home games Clausen's fresh year & the away game at Purdue. I was really excited myself. And I also thought Crist would have a better NFL future than Clausen like everybody in SB said.
So if your question is was I talking on this forum? No, didn't know it existed. I was talking to people in South Bend. At games, in bars, all over.
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Well, according to an article I just read after wondering what Crist was doing after being released by Baltimore, he gets a lot of blame for Kansas that season. Most seem to think that is why the team improved when he got pulled for the freshman kid they had.
And it doesn't matter how bad the team is, he was a NFL caliber talent who finished dead last in the country. Good QB's put up numbers all the timeline bad teams. Every year. It just amazed me to read he finished 116 out of 116. Crazy.
But I honestly really don't care either way.
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No one would succeed without the proper player development. Not you. Not me. Not Dayne Crist. We heard the same song and dance about Tommy. Demetrius Jones was another example of no player development, yet he was still expected to perform at a high D1 level. Never going to happen. I think EG is more in line with a QB who had the opportunity and coaching and never bloomed.
nah. crist could never handle things when adversity struck. turned to goo. excellent physical gifts but didn't appear to have the mental toughness to play the position effectively. he did have a few moments but was pretty awful at two stops. nuff said.
Jeez.... Kid had two major knee injuries in two years! Give him a break. He was in crutches for half of his ND career. By the way, he is a great kid, high character with fine parents. So lay off.
Dear Lord, "turned to goo?"
"crist could never handle things when adversity struck." I'd say kelly's history in that department is ten times worse.
kelly's demeanor, math, other skills ... regularly have often embarrassingly wilted under the gun.
Demetrius Jones was an elite QB coming out of Illinois. He was compared quite favorably to Chuck Long by the Illinois sports media. DJ had virtually no shot at ever playing at ND under Charlie. It was Jimmy's position all the way. CW put DJ in an inexcusable no win situation in the Georgia Tech opener and DJ never recovered. He was never going to be developed under CW and probably not at Cincy. Preconceived notions I would say. Trying out for the position is one thing. Being developed and groomed is quite another.
yes he is. he just didn't play the qb position very well in his opportunities at two different schools. lay off what ? the truth ?
Coach Kelly had his fill of Crist well before USC. Officially BK had his fill at the end of the first half in the first game of 2011 against South Florida. One half of football. That's as much consideration as DC got that year. Being forced to put DC in against USC after a brief Tommy Rees injury really doesn't count as consideration.
To be clear, I thought BK made the right decision when he pulled DC during the USF game. Why? Because heading into that season most ND followers were eyeing a BCS bowl type of season and possibly a NC run. A loss to USF in our first game would have been disastrous, and after a first half that was awful offensively, it was already time to hit the panic button. Obviously, we all know we lost anyway, but I agreed with the decision in real time. However, it's hard to excuse what happened after that game. Tommy Rees turned into a turnover machine and still DC wasn't given much consideration. Sure, it's easy to say, "well, DC didn't have it mentally and Coach Kelly must have seen it in practices. Just look at what DC did when he got his chance against USC. Big time players don't fold under the pressure like that even if they are coming in cold off the bench." Maybe that's true, but now we have Coach Kelly himself saying he wishes he had a do-over when it comes to coaching DC. I think in hindsight BK would start with how he handled DC in 2010. He took a QB with absolutely no spread offense experience and immediately threw him into the fire. At first DC performed fairly well, but as the season progressed he started to struggle. Most ND observers at the time wondered why we didn't run the ball more to try to take the pressure off of a relatively inexperienced QB. After DC got hurt against Tulsa BK did exactly that with Tommy Rees. The team went 4-0 down the stretch mostly because BK didn't put the game on TR's shoulders. He put it on Robert Hughes and the offensive line. A lot of us wonder what might have happened if BK had tried the same approach with DC from the beginning. I think BK is wondering the same thing and I commend him for admitting maybe he didn't handle the situation as well as he should have.
Those of you saying DC's performance while at ND and after proves he hit his ceiling, well, coach Kelly seems to disagree with you. And he should know.
Kelly would go on dancing with the stars.
He’d like a do over with Dayne Crist.
Next coach at ND must have HC experience.... Yawn....
Crist isn't the only qb to regress under kelly.... We're tremendously fortunate to have Sanford in the mix.
why ? crist has already proven he was ineffective in two places.
Quick research shows that no one is successful as the Kansas QB lately. There are many variables to consider, but over the last 3 seasons, the Jayhawks have averaged an embarrassing 112th nationally in pass efficiency and 90th nationally in passing offense. DC is hardly to blame for not succeeding at Kansas. Dayne would have had a better chance to succeed if he was part of Custer's 7th Calvary.
Well, Kansas won their opener and that was it that year. Their defense was pathetic. Their OL couldn't protect the QB if a basket of hot wings was on the line for them. The replacement QB didn't do much better than Dayne. So yes, DC was part of the equation but not the reason. Fact is, none of your elite college QBs of 2012 would have been successful at Kansas. It takes a village. Dayne Crist is solid and represented ND well. He was good enough for a couple of NFL teams to at least take a look at him.
DC had plenty if physical ability but couldn't play qb period. Demetrious Jones moved to linebacker at his next school. Just because they play qb in high school doesnt mean they have the ability to play in college.
Both DC and DJ were highly rated QBs out of HS. You succeed at the next level through player development. Neither received it. CW totally screwed over Demetrius and we all know what BK recently commented about his days with DC. Who knows. It could have been different for both of them.
Best analysis by this guy right here. As we all saw DC had moments of brilliance and we were all scratching our heads as to why that couldn't be replicated consistently. Kelly has a history of being impatient and just wanting to score right away and beating the teams with the pass. Fortunately, Kelly isn't so stubborn that he won't improvise. This is where it gets kinda crazy... Kelly actually has a better record as an HFC at ND when starting a first year QB(true freshman or redshirt freshman). This is because Kelly relies more on the run, special teams, and defense and takes the pressure of winning the game off the QB. We saw Kelly do that again this year and produced more wins this year with Kizer than most years.
No one knew that at the time. Certainly not the top programs who were recruiting them. Not anyone on here. Not any of the recruiting gurus. It's easy to look back in the rear view mirror and make an assessment on someone's career. At the time, everyone , and I mean everyone, was ecstatic at the signing of these two QBs. We will never know what might have been.
we do know that they failed at their opportunities. some guys make the transition to the next level, others don't. recruiting is an inexact science.
And some guys get injured, it is not good to confuse the two or discount either one.
The way Jones handled being pulled against GT. and then missing the team bus vs. how Crist comported himself were light years apart.I wouldn't put those two individuals in the same conversation ever.[ymmv]
I want to thank everyone for the lively discussion / debate without it getting into a name calling brouhaha like some of the other threads. This proves we can discuss, debate, and disagree with fellow Irish fans like grown ups and still have a good time with the topic. Again, thanks everyone. No one's mind was changed, but it was still fun.
not discounting his injuries at all. he became healthy enough to return to the field at two programs. his knee injuries hurt his mobility for certain. he was still a poor decision maker and never handled adversity well on the field. i'm sure he'll be successful off the field as he always came across as a great young man of high character.
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