Early Enrollees...........getting ahead of the competition??

[Duo]

Just curious, don't really know that much about Early Enrollees other than it looks like a great way to jump start some of the players in the incoming class. Here are a few schools I found and their number of Early Enrollees. Please fill us all in if you have any additional info..

Early Enrollees

Florida-12
FSU-8
Auburn-7
Minnesota-7
Michigan-7
Clemson-6
Notre Dame-4

According to Jim Curry:

Curry pointed out that the number of early enrollees has been trending upward for years.
"Really it comes back to a preparedness issue as it relates to academic development," Curry said. "Traditionally, early enrollment has been an option for those who were far along academically and could matriculate seamlessly.

 

[irishalice]

Google is your friend.

..........and yes, I know how many, I googled it.

 

[IrishBlessings]

Google is your friend.

..........and yes, I know how many, I googled it.

how many ?

 

[irishalice]

how many ?

From what I've read the same number as last year.


Early enrollment at ND started under Charlie in 2006.

http://www.uhnd.com/articles/recruiting/early-enrollment-notre-dame-7826/

 

[IrishBlessings]

From what I've read the same number as last year.


Early enrollment at ND started under Charlie in 2006.

http://www.uhnd.com/articles/recruiting/early-enrollment-notre-dame-7826/

how many ?

 

[irishnumberone1]

five-star linebacker Daelin Hayes

 

[IrishBlessings]

So far 4 have signed their finacial papers to enroll early: Daelin Hayes(LB/DE), Khalib Kareem(DE), Devin Studstill(S), and Spencer Perry(S). Message Board rules prevent me prevent me from providing the link. If you doubt me then Google 2016 early enrollees at Notre Dame. The information can be found on the first page.

thanks Ara - sounds good.

 

[twalsh]

So far 4 have signed their finacial papers to enroll early: Daelin Hayes(LB/DE), Khalib Kareem(DE), Devin Studstill(S), and Spencer Perry(S). Message Board rules prevent me prevent me from providing the link. If you doubt me then Google 2016 early enrollees at Notre Dame. The information can be found on the first page.

I believe Stepherson is also an EE, but his paperwork was going to be last minute. So there should be five total, which seems to be our trend.

 

[Duo]

Question for anyone:

Briefly...........just how does EE work? It seems rather amazing for example that Florida has 12 of them. How is it that one school would have double digits while others have very few?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

You should go to Gatorbait and ask.

 

[IrishCrazy]

I wouldn't say that this is the "formal administrative or university position" on the EE program but rather a sense of the advantages. The student/recruit gets to come into a semester where there are less new students and student athletes so presumably access to advisors and others will be somewhat more available just based on lessened volume of demand. Also, more time to get indoctrinated with the team, players, the day to day, film room, hours, (the cold : ) ) and get into step without as much pressure as coming out of the summer sessions and into a full load of work and having first game and whether you travel or many that you know and your coached are all gone etc. People have succeeded for years not coming early but if you are able to do so and able to leave your high school friends and girl friends before prom, it seems it would to take an overwhelmingly large amount if info and break it into bight size pieces rather then just dumping a jig saw puzzle in a freshman's lap is they are August arrivals with September a small number of days away. Ironically, the students that are approved for EE are the ones arguably the most capable of handling arriving later and getting through the traditional path. Generally, the EE students are exceptional/balanced/organized.

 

[Duo]

Thanks Craze...........great job,

Re: "Generally, the EE students are exceptional/balanced/organized."

Wow, it's great to see who is the most "exceptional/balanced/organized" heading into the 2016 season!

 

[88ND]

I'm probably in the minority here...but i don't like early enrollment. Jesus Christ everyone is always in such a rush with these kids...hence they tend to push it ...either being pushed from parents or self induced because another kid is enrolled early.

Graduate high school...take a little break...Then come in fall camp and compete. Everyone is constantly trying to get a little edge and of course the real reason is playing on Sunday..someday.

Well even with the early enrollment of players most don't make it on Sunday anyways unless you are very very fortunate...no matter early enrollment or not.

In the big picture over the course of four years of eligibility early enrollment means Jack shit!

 

[Duo]

I'm probably in the minority here...but i don't like early enrollment. Jesus Christ everyone is always in such a rush with these kids...hence they tend to push it ...either being pushed from parents or self induced because another kid is enrolled early.

Graduate high school...take a little break...Then come in fall camp and compete. Everyone is constantly trying to get a little edge and of course the real reason is playing on Sunday..someday.

Well even with the early enrollment of players most don't make it on Sunday anyways unless you are very very fortunate...no matter early enrollment or not.

In the big picture over the course of four years of eligibility early enrollment means Jack shit!

88....

The ironic thing about Early Enrollment seems to be the student's that need it the least are the one's that are most qualified for it.

Here is a portion of a Rival's article (some of which may be outdated by now):

"But what exactly does it take to become eligible as a January enrollee to begin with?
According to NCAA.org, eligibility requirements include full-time student status, grade point average minimum standards, declaration of a major and a limit of the number of year's participation in a varsity sport. .
Each candidate must also have completed 16 credited hours.
Broken down, that includes:
• 4 years of English
• 3 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher)
• 2 years of natural/physical science (one must be a lab science)
• 1 year of additional English, math or science
• 2 years of social studies
• 4 years of additional core courses (from a list approved by the NCAA, or from foreign language, non-doctrinal religion or philosophy).

There are other considerations, too.
A player who enrolls in January does not count as part of that year's recruiting class since he comes to school prior to that year's class which signs letters of intent in February.
So, for early entrants to be allowed to enroll, there already has to be enough scholarships on hand, either due to attrition or because a team is not at the NCAA maximum of 85 scholarship players on a roster."

Assuming all teams have attrition then to some extent it looks like EE's is a way for teams to increase their total number of scholarship players. (i.e. 85 scholarships limit for the current year and EE's counting toward the previous year to the extent of attrition) Logic would dictate that if a team had a lot of attrition then EE's could be significant.

I am intrigued by the requirement "declaration of a major". Back in the day I recall lots of students changing majors and some more than once. Really don't know what the trend is among students today?

 

[TimTerrific]

Isn't it ironic that between Florida, FSU and Auburn there are 27 early enrollee's who will get an early start on their education yet less than 50% change of them will be completing with a degree because the schools don't make it a priority?

 

[Duo]

Argusman's post above is completely false.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

EEs can count against either class.

 

[TheDecker]

I'm probably in the minority here...but i don't like early enrollment. Jesus Christ everyone is always in such a rush with these kids...hence they tend to push it ...either being pushed from parents or self induced because another kid is enrolled early.

Graduate high school...take a little break...Then come in fall camp and compete. Everyone is constantly trying to get a little edge and of course the real reason is playing on Sunday..someday.

Well even with the early enrollment of players most don't make it on Sunday anyways unless you are very very fortunate...no matter early enrollment or not.

In the big picture over the course of four years of eligibility early enrollment means Jack shit!

STRONGLY disagree with this

Enrolling early is a huge comportment in being able to get on the field as a frosh

Examples are everywhere. Look back at EEs and how many of them payed as frosh and how that helped them to lock up starting positions

EE'ing is a major advantage in the competition to get early PT and be a multi-year starter

And those things obviously have a MASSIVE impact on a layers draft stock, development/experience, etc.

It's a pretty big advantage in a a highly competitive field

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Until anybody proves that early enrollment is harmful to the student, athletic program, or the university there is no reason to not have it. Early enrollment is here to stay.

 

[Duo]

Players who enroll early do so because they want to get a leg up on getting early playing time. It really has nothing to do with academics. Until late in the Charlie Weis years the powers at ND didn't want early enrollees because they saw it as a disadvantage to the student. It's only been in the last few years that admission stop following the early enrollees and how they adjusted to student life at ND. It helps the football program because it allows it the opportunity of filling in depth without gray shirting or over signing like some schools do.

Ara,

Re: "It really has nothing to do with academics."

Please note in my post above there are a number of academic requirements in order to be eligible for EE. After arrival at the university it allows the EE more time to acclimate to the rigors of university life and being a student-athlete.

 

[88ND]

STRONGLY disagree with this

Enrolling early is a huge comportment in being able to get on the field as a frosh

Examples are everywhere. Look back at EEs and how many of them payed as frosh and how that helped them to lock up starting positions

EE'ing is a major advantage in the competition to get early PT and be a multi-year starter

And those things obviously have a MASSIVE impact on a layers draft stock, development/experience, etc.

It's a pretty big advantage in a a highly competitive field

I hate selective reading. I clearly state that EE is done because either the parents are pushing them...or the big one you missed....self induced because other players are doing so we can't allow someone else a leg up.

In OTHER WORDS nobody would feel a need to enroll early is nobody else was doing. I.e. it didn't exist.

If there were no early enrollment anywhere please explain how this helps anyone's draft stock or development.
It doesn't because they are throw right into mix along with the other freshmen. Everyone begins their four year eligibility the same time. The better will always rise above others if deserving.

I'm not opposed to the spirit of the rule. The spirit of the rule had nothing to do with athletics in mind. Nothing whatsoever. That is exploited now and people who don't really need the EE academically are most often the ones taking advantage of that.

I say you can early enroll but you dare not participate in athletics of anything....practices, meetings, etc...it is strictly for the purpose of academics.

 

[Duo]

It has obviously become a big deal for big time football coaches. It's going to be interesting to watch and see how it evolves and what the NCAA will do about it in the future.

 

[twalsh]

Until anybody proves that early enrollment is harmful to the student, athletic program, or the university there is no reason to not have it. Early enrollment is here to stay.

EE gave us Tommy Rees. I have always believed that, had he and Hendrix both arrived in August, instead of Rees arriving six months earlier as
an EE, Hendrix would have gotten the nod.

 

[TheDecker]

I hate selective reading. I clearly state that EE is done because either the parents are pushing them...or the big one you missed....self induced because other players are doing so we can't allow someone else a leg up.

In OTHER WORDS nobody would feel a need to enroll early is nobody else was doing. I.e. it didn't exist.

If there were no early enrollment anywhere please explain how this helps anyone's draft stock or development.
It doesn't because they are throw right into mix along with the other freshmen. Everyone begins their four year eligibility the same time. The better will always rise above others if deserving.

I'm not opposed to the spirit of the rule. The spirit of the rule had nothing to do with athletics in mind. Nothing whatsoever. That is exploited now and people who don't really need the EE academically are most often the ones taking advantage of that.

I say you can early enroll but you dare not participate in athletics of anything....practices, meetings, etc...it is strictly for the purpose of academics.

By that same logic, it would be better if players didn't have to participate in athletics during any part of their standard freshman year either.

As long as this was consistent across the board, it wouldn't have any negative impact on their NFL futures and would provide more time for a smooth/easy transition to college.
And you could take that same logic and apply to an athlete's entire time as an underclassmen. Etc, etc., etc.

The nature of America, or capitalistic system, the Notre Dame application system, and Notre Dame's own grading system isn't meant to shelter kids from competition.........it's meant to throw them into it 100%

I guess I don't see self-motivated (or family-motivated) actions to forward one's self as far as they can go as a negative.....but rather one of the great life lessons that come from athletics

I think EE'ing is a great system, that rewards kids who are academically, mentally, and athletically ready to do it with a significant advantage

 

[ellobo]

Not sure if the OP is asking for #s from different schools but if so...Michigan has 7. That is high for us but as others have noted the numbers each year are trending up for most schools

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

EE gave us Tommy Rees. I have always believed that, had he and Hendrix both arrived in August, instead of Rees arriving six months earlier as
an EE, Hendrix would have gotten the nod.

Duly noted. Knowing how much Kelly loved Rees and Hendrix appeared to have difficulty grasping the playbook, it may have not made much of a difference. I certainly don't miss those days of Rees at QB.

 

[88ND]

By that same logic, it would be better if players didn't have to participate in athletics during any part of their standard freshman year either.

As long as this was consistent across the board, it wouldn't have any negative impact on their NFL futures and would provide more time for a smooth/easy transition to college.
And you could take that same logic and apply to an athlete's entire time as an underclassmen. Etc, etc., etc.

The nature of America, or capitalistic system, the Notre Dame application system, and Notre Dame's own grading system isn't meant to shelter kids from competition.........it's meant to throw them into it 100%

I guess I don't see self-motivated (or family-motivated) actions to forward one's self as far as they can go as a negative.....but rather one of the great life lessons that come from athletics

I think EE'ing is a great system, that rewards kids who are academically, mentally, and athletically ready to do it with a significant advantage

Obviously one person doing it is all it takes. Why let someone else get a jump on you. So therefore EE has gone viral

But...don't play this holier than thou perfect yearbook answer on me that ND is challenging the individual blah blah....give me a break.

EE was set up for people who genuinely needed to EE to acclimate themselves ...the environment...studies, etc. It was NOT put in play for athletics and getting a jump on it whatsoever. No way!

Since people do it for athletics purposes it will continue but I don't agree with it.

Allow EE to be there for what it's intention was. The student without the athlete ..even if that student is an athlete. There should no participation during EE in athletics. That time will come just a quick several months away for God sake.

Coaches are vultures. Parents are self interest motivated.

Kids today don't need everything jammed down their throats so soon.

EE is for the STUDENT who NEEDS it. Not the athlete worried about playing time and a starting spot ...ultimately to try and make it into the NFL which in the majority they won't make it at any draft status or even free agency regardless of being enrolled early.

Relax. If you are going to start, work hard, it will happen. If you are going to make professional, again work hard and it will happen.