Drew White
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Offers from:
Arkansas
Illinois
Iowa State
LSU
Michigan
Missouri
NC State
Ohio State
Purdue
Syracuse
Temple
Wake Forest
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Arkansas
Illinois
Iowa State
LSU
Michigan
Missouri
NC State
Ohio State
Purdue
Syracuse
Temple
Wake Forest
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Missed time with a foot injury last year so give him time to get his stars back. Offers from Michigan, OSU, and LSU - good enough for me.
Tk true enough but Kelly is well into the black when it comes to poaching vs. being poached![smile] Keep a good thought!
if Meyer or any of the big programs have any interest in any of yesterdays commits other than Werner, it would be a surprise. I wonder if the staff has just decided to avoid competing for the elite groups after having been burned the past 2 cycles. They seem to be going after those that they can make an offer that can't be refused.
Hegge, J Golic, and then back to the year Ty was fired to find 2* offers.
ND better be resonating with the elite offensive prospects! ND will need lottsa points.
Hegge, J Golic, and then back to the year Ty was fired to find 2* offers.
ND better be resonating with the elite offensive prospects! ND will need lottsa points.
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Thanks to Coach Kotite for your assessment! You were always so good at evaluating talent.
he's made a commitment. who cares if he has 9 stars or 1 star. it only matters how the staff evaluates him.
always a breath of fresh air ! who decides who is elite ? you ? that's a laugh. you talk about "sunshine pumpers ". you're the "star worshiper ".
Perse,
ND had 20, 4 star prospects on campus for that Junior Day. 3 of them (Adams, Werner and Davis) committed and reports have come back that ND did an excellent job to get into the mix with guys like Blount, Terrell, Graham, Black, Beach, Hainsey, Thomas, Garrett, Ah You, etc, etc... Keep in mind that because of academics ND CAN'T go after every guy that Ohio State and Alabama can. This staff (especially in 2017) has been extremely aggressive in going after the best players able to get into Notre Dame... They were always going to take several 3 star players, all we're seeing them do exactly that.
ND's class is currently ranked #5 in the 247 composite, with six 4 star players already committed.
Also, I fully expect ND to have a shot at the following 4/5 star players...
Defense
4 star DT: Jerron Cage (committed to Ohio State)
4 star DT: Haskell Garrett (committed to Ohio State)
4 star DT: Eric Crosby
4/5 star DE: Josh Kaindoh
4 star DE: Corey Malone-Hatcher
4 star DE: Luigi Villain
4 star DE: Jaelan Phillips
4 star LB Josh Adams (committed to Notre Dame)
4 star LB Pete Werner (committed to Notre Dame)
4 star S: Chaz Ah You
4 star S: Paris Ford (committed to Pitt)
4 star S: R.J. Potts
4 star DB: A.J. Terrell
4 star DB: Saiid Adebo.
That's simply a starting list of 4 star defensive guys that ND will be in on. Expect that list to expand significantly before the summer and keep in mind that I'm predicting that ND lands a total of about 5-7, 4 star players on the defensive side of the ball in total, most of whom will be in the front 7.
ND had 20, 4 star prospects on campus for that Junior Day. 3 of them (Adams, Werner and Davis) committed and reports have come back that ND did an excellent job to get into the mix with guys like Blount, Terrell, Graham, Black, Beach, Hainsey, Thomas, Garrett, Ah You, etc, etc... Keep in mind that because of academics ND CAN'T go after every guy that Ohio State and Alabama can. This staff (especially in 2017) has been extremely aggressive in going after the best players able to get into Notre Dame... They were always going to take several 3 star players, all we're seeing them do exactly that.
ND's class is currently ranked #5 in the 247 composite, with six 4 star players already committed.
Also, I fully expect ND to have a shot at the following 4/5 star players...
Defense
4 star DT: Jerron Cage (committed to Ohio State)
4 star DT: Haskell Garrett (committed to Ohio State)
4 star DT: Eric Crosby
4/5 star DE: Josh Kaindoh
4 star DE: Corey Malone-Hatcher
4 star DE: Luigi Villain
4 star DE: Jaelan Phillips
4 star LB Josh Adams (committed to Notre Dame)
4 star LB Pete Werner (committed to Notre Dame)
4 star S: Chaz Ah You
4 star S: Paris Ford (committed to Pitt)
4 star S: R.J. Potts
4 star DB: A.J. Terrell
4 star DB: Saiid Adebo.
That's simply a starting list of 4 star defensive guys that ND will be in on. Expect that list to expand significantly before the summer and keep in mind that I'm predicting that ND lands a total of about 5-7, 4 star players on the defensive side of the ball in total, most of whom will be in the front 7.
Weis had a very similar 28 man class; highly ranked. Look up the names.
After the initial 4 commitments, only Werner looks like a good bet to be an eventual starter.
It will take some time before you realize I was right..
(but if the recruiting continues to go 2nd and 3rd tier then, maybe they will all start someday!)
After the initial 4 commitments, only Werner looks like a good bet to be an eventual starter.
It will take some time before you realize I was right..
(but if the recruiting continues to go 2nd and 3rd tier then, maybe they will all start someday!)
Thanks for the analysis IIO........some posters will be unhappy no matter what Kelly does. I've been enjoying your posts which actually have some research behind them while the same posters just keep regurgitating their negative posts. I think a 3 star defensive lineman, a couple 4 star linebackers and a 2 star linebacker who all have good offer lists is a very good start to the recruiting effort. The 2 star linebacker, Drew White, will be bumped up this year and was only rated lower because he played on a team loaded with stud players and he had a foot injury. He still led the team in tackles.
"........some posters will be unhappy no matter what Kelly does"
Don't call out Perse like that! LOL
I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong, and you usually are in our debates, but I'm ok with that...
David Adams projects as a future starter every bit as much as Pete Werner. You simply drool over Werner's 6'3 height and say "That's what ND needs". The fact that Adams is 6'1-6'2 and not taller (which we know is the end of the world to you, despite the fact that I've already shown you that most linebackers on elite teams aren't that size, regardless of what you think). Werner is an excellent prospect, but Adams has the makings of a future starting MIKE linebacker. His film backs up his lofty rankings. The kid can run and hit and he'll easily be 240lbs, which is the ideal size for a 4-3 linebacker.
I don't need to reference Weis' classes. I simply watch the film of the players ND recruits and make my own assessment. I'm very comfortable with my ability to evaluate film. Maybe you put no stock in that, and that's quite ok with me, but that's why you would rather have had your boy running ND's spread instead of Bryce Petty.
It's not Madden for X-Box Perse. Not every high end college player is the ideal size you would like for a position. Doesn't mean they can't play.
It will take some time to realize I was right.
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In our debates YOU have never ever been correct. And you know it and it sticks in your throat!
You're an interesting cat Perse. I applaud the fact that in your world, you believe you're always correct. I sincerely appreciate that kind of confidence in oneself, even if it's rooted in delusions of grandeur my friend.
This board is much better because of your participation. Even when you have no clue what you're talking about.
This board is much better because of your participation. Even when you have no clue what you're talking about.
clueless. the next time you're right will be the first time.
he does have some entertainment value. he brings nothing to the table football wise though. he's quite the legend in his own mind. never tires of being completely wrong.
I can think of a bunch of quality LB's that Adams reminds me of... There is a reason why he was probably the top LB on Penn State's board. He fits the mould of the legacy of linebackers they've produced at LB U.
In fact, I think the best comparison I can think of for Adams coming out of high school is another PA guy who came out of I believe Strath Haven in 2004-2005(don't quote me on that)... If memory serves me correctly he was about 6'1,5-6'2, 220lbs coming out of high school and played the exact same linebacker spot Adams plays.
Dan Connor went on to be 240lbs and was a two time first team All American at Penn State, won the Bednarik Award as a senior and was drafted in the third round of the NFL Draft by the Carolina Panthers.
I'm not saying that Adams is going to accomplish all that, but if you ever watched Connor play and you've seen Adams' film, you'd realize that they were virtually clones of either other at the same age... Interestingly, however, Conner was also an excellent running back as well. I could see Adams being a bruiser of a high school tailback as well if given the chance.
There is a certain "awesomeness" about Perse that I'll always appreciate. He has the distinct ability to be relentlessly negative in the face of positivity and I can safely say, without a doubt in my mind, that I've never met (online or in person) somebody that does such an exemplary job of using empirical evidence to support his points (which is a good thing) and at the same time, can promptly ignore the same type of evidence when it doesn't fit his agenda.
Perse, I love ya man!
Talent requires a coordinator to put them in position to be successful. Honest question Perse? Do you think former 5 star Mas Redfield just isn't very good? I fundamentally understand what BVG is trying to do on defense for the most and a lot of it involves NFL-style zone-blitzing, which requires coverage rotation in your secondary (which I'm sure you also understand). Was Max not a good recruit, or has his coach simply asked more of him than he's capable of to this point, in turn, hindering the defense more than he helps it?
Perse, the guys tentatively slated to start at ND this year were ranked as follows according to the 247 composite....
DE: Isaac Rochell (4 Stars, #9 DE, #113 overall)
NG: Jarron Jones (4 Stars, #14 DT, #199 overall)
DT: Jerry Tillery (4 Stars, #11 OT, #143 overall)
DE: Andrew Trumbetti (4 Stars, #10 DE, #145 overall)
WILL: Te'von Coney (4 Stars, #11 LB, # 311 overall)
MIKE: Nyles Morgan (4 Stars, #3 LB, #53 overall)
SAM: James Onwualu (4 Stars, WR, #304 overall)
CB: Cole Luke: (4 Stars, #15 CB, #151 overall)
FS: Max Redfield: (5 Stars, #3 S, #30 overall)
SS: Drue Tranquil (4 Stars, #21 S, #277 overall)
CB: Nick Watkins (4 Stars, #17 CB, #177 overall)
NB: Shaun Crawford (4 Stars, #14 CB, #113 overall)
Every single player slated to start was ranked among the top 25 players at their positions in their respective classes. Outside of Tranquil and Watkins, all of them were ranked inside the top 15 players in the their respective classes. Rochell, Trumbetti, Morgan and Redfield were ranked inside the top 10 at their respective classes and Tillery and Coney finished just outside the top 10 at #11...
You are a firm believer in the star ranking system and how is correlates to success. Tell me how that shouldn't be a top 25 defense then (really all ND needs to push for the playoffs with their offense) if coaching and scheme hasn't been the issue. Keep in mind that as talented as a projected starting group that may be, they were dreadful last year with Jaylon Smith, the #1 linebacker in the country and a 5 star in his class and Sheldon Day a top 100, high 4 star defensive tackle.
ND has good players... Many of the guys backing this group up were 4 and 5 star talent as well. That includes the likes of Cage, Kareem, Bilal, Barajas, Hayes, Williams, etc, etc...
I'll tell you what... Notre Dame's defensive recruiting has been a hell of a lot better than Michigan State's and Oregon's, who have both made it to the playoffs in the past 2 years. It's been on par or better than Clemson's defensive recruiting and they made it to the playoffs last year.
Coaching matters Perse.
Perse, the guys tentatively slated to start at ND this year were ranked as follows according to the 247 composite....
DE: Isaac Rochell (4 Stars, #9 DE, #113 overall)
NG: Jarron Jones (4 Stars, #14 DT, #199 overall)
DT: Jerry Tillery (4 Stars, #11 OT, #143 overall)
DE: Andrew Trumbetti (4 Stars, #10 DE, #145 overall)
WILL: Te'von Coney (4 Stars, #11 LB, # 311 overall)
MIKE: Nyles Morgan (4 Stars, #3 LB, #53 overall)
SAM: James Onwualu (4 Stars, WR, #304 overall)
CB: Cole Luke: (4 Stars, #15 CB, #151 overall)
FS: Max Redfield: (5 Stars, #3 S, #30 overall)
SS: Drue Tranquil (4 Stars, #21 S, #277 overall)
CB: Nick Watkins (4 Stars, #17 CB, #177 overall)
NB: Shaun Crawford (4 Stars, #14 CB, #113 overall)
Every single player slated to start was ranked among the top 25 players at their positions in their respective classes. Outside of Tranquil and Watkins, all of them were ranked inside the top 15 players in the their respective classes. Rochell, Trumbetti, Morgan and Redfield were ranked inside the top 10 at their respective classes and Tillery and Coney finished just outside the top 10 at #11...
You are a firm believer in the star ranking system and how is correlates to success. Tell me how that shouldn't be a top 25 defense then (really all ND needs to push for the playoffs with their offense) if coaching and scheme hasn't been the issue. Keep in mind that as talented as a projected starting group that may be, they were dreadful last year with Jaylon Smith, the #1 linebacker in the country and a 5 star in his class and Sheldon Day a top 100, high 4 star defensive tackle.
ND has good players... Many of the guys backing this group up were 4 and 5 star talent as well. That includes the likes of Cage, Kareem, Bilal, Barajas, Hayes, Williams, etc, etc...
I'll tell you what... Notre Dame's defensive recruiting has been a hell of a lot better than Michigan State's and Oregon's, who have both made it to the playoffs in the past 2 years. It's been on par or better than Clemson's defensive recruiting and they made it to the playoffs last year.
Coaching matters Perse.
Not to defend Perse but I had to look up the kid and I follow Michigan recruiting somewhat closely. I'm not going to doubt the kid...if he says he was offered by Michigan then I'm sure he was. I actually do remember awhile back that Michigan offered what seemed like half the STA team all on one day.
With that said, under Harbaugh it seems like Michigan has offered just about every prospect in the country (while only recruiting a smaller group of them). It almost seems like the only ones not offered are the ones that might commit to them before the staff truly decides if they want him or not. It's as if they offer (some kids) as an indication that there could be future interest while they continue to monitor the kid and decide later if they will pursue or not. It's a new recruiting strategy to us Michigan folk but I guess not all that new to recruiting in general.
With that said, under Harbaugh it seems like Michigan has offered just about every prospect in the country (while only recruiting a smaller group of them). It almost seems like the only ones not offered are the ones that might commit to them before the staff truly decides if they want him or not. It's as if they offer (some kids) as an indication that there could be future interest while they continue to monitor the kid and decide later if they will pursue or not. It's a new recruiting strategy to us Michigan folk but I guess not all that new to recruiting in general.
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Okay, then let's say that Michigan didn't really offer him or just offered the entire football-playing world. He was still offered by LSU and Ohio State.
Not sure I would say the reason Max hasn't played to his ability is all coaching. From what I have heard he doesn't do the work off the field(studying his craft) and thinks he is better than he actually is. Then you add the missing the bowl game and I think there needs to be an attitude adjustment and hopefully that change has been made.
Harbaugh wanted a sleepover with the kid and White told him to pound sand.
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no one would deny redfields great physical gifts but as you climb the ladder in the game the ability to be productive just from said gifts diminishes greatly. the combo of talent, work ethic and mental capacity for the game is what seperates the great from the so so.
Perse this kid was injured last year ,thus the 2* star rating . He will be capable of 4 star status if he regains potential. What happened to you,man? You used to be better than this.Try to get some positive back in your life.Quit pandering to negative nellies on the board. You have potential to be more like ND35. Use it.
Perse is like a broken record as usual-- He even disses a respected poster like IIO, trying hard to be relevant,ie. "Im right and your wrong"!!! Tho I'm not a big fan of name-calling, Perse acts like a real asshole!
IIO - keep posting, you provide great depth and analysis in your assessment's and avoid getting in the pissing contests. And it's great to witness you dominating Pers thread after thread. He just needs a black and white answer to everything.. Example A) defense isn't very good, recruiting must be bad. There are a myriad of factors that go into play on the football field and his opinions make it clear he has never sniffed a playing field.
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if ... why not wait on the kid. There was no rush to lock him up. At this point you noted he was injured and additionally, he is somewhat undersized at ILB.
If you play smaller LBers behind a DL that is less than physically imposing or undersized that is not a recipe for success. We already see the problem ND has recruiting elite DL, so the LB play has to be a stong point on the team.
JMO: Basically ND filled it's LB class with ST level commits. We will see.
if ... why not wait on the kid. There was no rush to lock him up. At this point you noted he was injured and additionally, he is somewhat undersized at ILB.
If you play smaller LBers behind a DL that is less than physically imposing or undersized that is not a recipe for success. We already see the problem ND has recruiting elite DL, so the LB play has to be a stong point on the team.
JMO: Basically ND filled it's LB class with ST level commits. We will see.
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