Commit: Cole Kmet TE
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Another 3-star ? Only 4-stars so far on defense are Okwara 6'4" ,220 lb defensive end and D.J.Morgan ,6'3" 200 lb DB . To date we have 5 4-star commits . Hope we finish with a flurry in Jan,Feb. Our recruiting rank is somewhere around 20 . Is this the lowest ranking in Kelly 's 6 years ?
I really like this pickup. 2 top TEs in one class is awesome! No head coach would pass on taking that.
I'm not by any means inferring it will happen with the two TE'S that ND has picked up......but it's always possible that a TE could possibly convert over to DE. The size is there.....just change them over to defensive minded players. I suppose it could possibly happen if the Irish don't land a few good rushers off the end. Awfully hard to pass up on talent with that kind of size and ability. Great commit......keep em rolling in Irish!!!!
Kmet is arguably a Top 5 TE! And a great fit for the Irish offense. This kid was targeted and personally recruited by Urb Meyer for tOSU! He is highly regarded.
Great pickup for ND. Loaded at TE for years to come. Weishar and Jones are going to be an outstanding combo and the two 2017 TE's are going to have a couple years to add size, strength and develop. Brandon Wimbush is going to have some serious weapons down the road.
As for the guys that are concerned about ND's 2016 recruiting class, just wait. I may be ranked in the teens right now, but if ND goes 10-2 or better, the class is going to have some seriously talented pieces added to it. Off the top of my head, I think ND will have a good to great chance at...
CB: Damar Hamlin (4 Star)
S: Devin Studstill (4 Star)
S: Ikenne Okeke (3 Star, but I think he's better than that)
WR: Javon Mckinley (4 Star)
ATH: Melquise Stovall (4 Star)
ATH: Demetris Robertson (4/5 star)
DL: Oluwole Betiku (4 Star)
LB: Jonathan Jones (3/4 Star)
LB/DE: Daelin Hayes (4 Star)
Will ND land all of those guys? No, obviously not. They don't even have enough remaining spots in their class to take all of the guys from that list. If they keep winning, however, they'll lock at least half of those guys, and the inevitable 2-3 big names will come into play later in the process. ND currently has four composite 4 star players committed in this class (Kraemer, Eichenberg, Claypool and Okwara). I'd be willing to bet that number doubles (and possibly pushes as many as ten), by the end of the cycle.
Notre Dame will have a class ranked anywhere from 7th-12th, IMO, when all is said and done. All is well in South Bend. While ND will never ROUTINELY land top 3 classes (for the reasons that we have discussed over-and-over on this board), like most years, ND will land enough talent to put them in contention for a playoff spot, depending on health, coaching, development, and like all teams, a little luck along the way.
As for the guys that are concerned about ND's 2016 recruiting class, just wait. I may be ranked in the teens right now, but if ND goes 10-2 or better, the class is going to have some seriously talented pieces added to it. Off the top of my head, I think ND will have a good to great chance at...
CB: Damar Hamlin (4 Star)
S: Devin Studstill (4 Star)
S: Ikenne Okeke (3 Star, but I think he's better than that)
WR: Javon Mckinley (4 Star)
ATH: Melquise Stovall (4 Star)
ATH: Demetris Robertson (4/5 star)
DL: Oluwole Betiku (4 Star)
LB: Jonathan Jones (3/4 Star)
LB/DE: Daelin Hayes (4 Star)
Will ND land all of those guys? No, obviously not. They don't even have enough remaining spots in their class to take all of the guys from that list. If they keep winning, however, they'll lock at least half of those guys, and the inevitable 2-3 big names will come into play later in the process. ND currently has four composite 4 star players committed in this class (Kraemer, Eichenberg, Claypool and Okwara). I'd be willing to bet that number doubles (and possibly pushes as many as ten), by the end of the cycle.
Notre Dame will have a class ranked anywhere from 7th-12th, IMO, when all is said and done. All is well in South Bend. While ND will never ROUTINELY land top 3 classes (for the reasons that we have discussed over-and-over on this board), like most years, ND will land enough talent to put them in contention for a playoff spot, depending on health, coaching, development, and like all teams, a little luck along the way.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Never?? Notre Dame landed a top 3 class in 2012. (2013 enrollees) and had higher average stars than Alabama who were ranked the number one recruiting class that year,
Also,one cannot go by just ratings. Many Lbs and Rbs have been rated at 3 stars only to find a good spot in NFL. Talent isn't always found in seven on seven trials or sparq ratings. Many 3 stars could easily be 4 star players if not for one or two so-called recruiting gurus. It's like ESPN. Some have love affairs with the OSU's and Bama's and go gaga over their recruits. Some are reasonable but a few are not so great at their jobs. It's like Jalen Elliott . I think he is a 4 star player. That's just me though.
Speaking specifically about TE's Ontario. If Smythe comes back completely healthy we have him for 2 more years (medical readshirt i'm assuming) and I think he's better than Weishar. So after this year you have Smyther and tuatua for 2 years, alize and weishar for 3 (if alize stays all 4) then 2 stud recruits coming in after that. ND has TE locked up for the next 5 years right now.
It's talent at TE with Receiving and blocking like no other team. All ND needs offensively is to sure up the next stud QB and RB, we need to sure up a Stud RB asap. I'm not sold on our frosh even though they are playing solid, I'd like to see a Stud recruit or two come in (That should happen with the rushing attack we are showing and the oline that now has insane depth and talent).
What no one knows about these kids and is seldom discussed is what kind of attitude they have toward competition and training " eye of the tiger " that cannot be measured by a stop watch nor can football IQ .
Get Nasty -- if Williams isn't a star maybe even this season than I'm a fan of Purse
I think williams has great talent, but he has a long long way to go. He's not natural at all. Prime example is he had the ball in his wrong arm on his nice TD run. I hope he can develop as I think he has more talent that adams, but ND needs to get a stud IMHO.
Nasty --
Sorry big guy but if he doesn't look like a natural to you than you don't understand what your looking at - Kelly has identified his talent level as phenomenal --
Carrying the ball in his wrong hand is something that can be fixed overnite -- leaving a linebeackers jock strap in the third row can't be taught
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Talent is completely different than the running back natural ability i'm talking about. I hope he develops and is a stud as he has speed, good size, and some shiftiness you can't coach, but I don't see the natural ability of a running back yet, it could just be confidence and not thinking too much.
Running with a ball in your correct hand is something that should be natural for TE, WR, or RB by about the 5th grade.
I'm just not ready to get all crazy for a RB vs UMass.
I think all of our RB's have benefited greatly by our line this year. Procise is a stud but he's far from a perfected RB and the oline has helped him a ton, and he's made some amazing plays too.
I Think getting a stud RB this year has that person in good competition to start their soph year. Some assumptions are taken into account with this. Procise staying one more, and folston coming back and only staying one more.
Bodizephax
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Wow!!, CJ Prosise is far from a perfected back?---- 150 yards a game average. 8.1 yards a carry. If he is far from a perfected back he may end up better than Jim Brown ! Awesome !!
Really, he's perfected?!?!........ He isn't contacted until after 5 yards down the field on average(leads power 5 rbs), is that him or is that the O-Line? I said I think he's a Stud, but that the O Line needs a ton of credit. He's been a RB for what 7 months now, I don't think its hard to believe he has room to grow. I think Procise is the best RB ND has had since Julius Jones, but I don't think he's better than Leonard F, I actually think there's a pretty big gap.
I'd also like to see him used out of the backfield in the passing game a lot more. I do think Procise has Le'veon Bell Ceiling, with his patience, explosiveness, and the way he finishes runs. He only has 5 receptions in 4 games. He moved from WR, he should be a weapon on screens, short passes, wheel routes, ect like Bell.
Procise needs to lower his pads some more consistently (will help his body wear and tear), toughen his body up for the future at the RB position, you can see these carries are wearing him out during the game, and be used in the passing game more (not sure that's his fault, but something I'd like to see more of).
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
I did not say he is perfected. Don't put words in my mouth.
You are the one that said CJ Prosise was FAR from perfected. What a ridiculous statement.
How can you be so picky about a running back that is in the conversation for a Heisman trophy?
Who cares how he runs? As long as he makes 90 yard 50 yard and twenty yard TD runs on a regular basis.
I hope he doesn't get perfected like you want--He would probably be less productive.
Shark - your theory is solid but it will happen with our extra OLB rather than TE - Melvin Dansby
Yea that sounds about right Ki35. Whatever they have to do to get the positions filled with the talent thats needed to formulate a legit pass rush. I think it will shapen up fine by the time February rolls around with this recruiting class
I realize this as you will see my 4th post on this thread I made the same statement. I was just saying that I think this recruiting class will shapen up and we will land some defensive players at the positions were a lacking....which is what brought up the topic I was discussing about position switch with TEs
