Can’t vouch for these numbers but
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I know a lot of folks blame Kelly. But ND has been cursed w/ the QB position in my opinon. Crist, Hendrix, Golson, Zaire, Kiel, Wimbush, Jurkovec, Buchner, Pyne. Those are all QBs who I believe had at least one service rank them as a 4 star and had multiple P5 offers and all of them finished their career elsewhere and not on a positive note. Things could change for the better for Buchner and Pyne, but chances of that are looking slim. I know a lot want to say Kelly was a bad evaluator of QB talent, but I need to challenge others and myself on that. Most of these QBs I was very impressed by looking at their HS film. I was particularly excited for Wimbush, Jurkovec, and Buchner. Really those those 3 were going to make it big. You can only make offers based on what you know about the recruit at that time.
Then it's an issue with development. To have every one of those QB's you mention not pan out, tells me its evaluation, development, or both.
Exactly. It’s on Kelly and his OC’s.
EVERY one of those QBs also regressed as time went on. That’s bad coaching in my world
I would agree with you if those QBs left and had success elsewhere. But that wasn't the case. And Kelly did turn Kizer and Book into draft picks.
Look at Clemson right now. Same coach who turned Watson into a top pick is really struggling right now despite having a 5 star QB starting. I think we're seeing the same story in Bama.
Those QB's left after several years in the program. They all bombed out, you can't fix development in 1 year. outside of Jurkovec, they all only had 1 year of eligibility left.
Also Kiser and Book regressed each year, in fact all the QB's did, Golson, Wimbush. If that's not lack of development, I don't know what is.
You compare Clemson and Alabama, 9. championships combined, they had more success than failures, while ND pretty much had 2 marginal successful QB's vs a host of failures.
I think that's a self-fulfilling prophecy that they bombed out because of Kelly. Fact is wide majority of transfers in general don't go on and improve simply because they weren't that good to begin with. Is there reason to believe that had those QBs gone to other schools, they would have done better? I doubt it. They just weren't very good.
Kizer regressed in a year when the whole program regressed, but was still good enough to be a draft pick as an junior. Book didn't regress in my opinion. He reached his peak early and coasted. I don't know how much more you could expect out of Book.
You're right, Clemson and Bama have had more success than failures. I wasn't arguing that.
