BK sure sucks at recruiting. #3 on Rivals.
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I don't get how they come up with these rankings. ND 3 on rivals yet 10 on Scout. In fact there are several changes from one site to another on quite a few teams. Just goes to show you this is all subjective. For me the true barometer is what schools offered said recruit. If a kid has offers from OU, Texas, Bama, OSU, USC ,ND, Michigan to name a few, most likely the kid is a "player" . If he has offers from Vandy, NW, Stanford, NC, and such, he may be pretty good but not elite. My point is no one really knows until 2 or 3 years down the road. A lot can happen between signing day and actually playing in a game. So though I am pleased somewhat the Irish are ranked in the top 10, it really doesn't mean much until they prove it on the field. More important is whether you have players who fit your style of football. The NFL is full of great players who played on less than stellar teams in college. Yet they are in the NFL. Just because you recruit NFL talent that doesn't mean you are an automatic champion. the players you recruit need to excel in your system and that doesn't always happen.
many of the big names are yet to decide - rankings will change as decisions come in.
The usual suspects, Bama , LSU, FSU, tOSU, USC and now new to the pack, Clemson will all close strong.
The usual suspects, Bama , LSU, FSU, tOSU, USC and now new to the pack, Clemson will all close strong.
Rivals is starting to show a lot of respect for NDs/BKs evaluations ... a lot of guys Rivals originally thought were 5.6 or 5.7 have moved up to 5.8s or so... and it has had a big impact on our team recruit rankings.
But like persev said .. a lot of the top 100 recruits are the ones who don't decide until NSD ... once all those decisions come in ND will likely finish where they do on average during the BK era (~10) ...
Hopefully from that point we can keep all the original commitments without bizarre transfers/last minute defections.
But like persev said .. a lot of the top 100 recruits are the ones who don't decide until NSD ... once all those decisions come in ND will likely finish where they do on average during the BK era (~10) ...
Hopefully from that point we can keep all the original commitments without bizarre transfers/last minute defections.
Interesting read on rankings and production on the field:
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1821064
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1821064
exactly. rankings or "stars" are projections. i trust the staff and their evaluations. the so called "expert recruiting services" are for suckers who give them their money.
Have always thought that who offers a kid a scholie is what really tells the tail. NOT just the big schools but the COACHES (for example Texas supposedly had top classes year in and year out but those players rarely went on to the NFL and shined)
So to me you look at the coach and his record of NFL players and then look at who he recruits.
but on average when a kid has USC, Texas, Alabama, OSU and Michigan offering for him its a pretty safe bet he is worth it. As much as any 17-18 year old is
So to me you look at the coach and his record of NFL players and then look at who he recruits.
but on average when a kid has USC, Texas, Alabama, OSU and Michigan offering for him its a pretty safe bet he is worth it. As much as any 17-18 year old is
I would say more inexact than overrated. However, there is a pretty good correlation between recruiting rankings and team's vying for national championships 2 to 3 years later, so their relevance is not to be just dismissed.
247 composite is the best.
"In an effort to communicate a more accurate evaluation of prospects and recruiting classes for fans, 247Sports launched the 247Composite rating/ranking system for college football and basketball recruiting.
The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services."
"In an effort to communicate a more accurate evaluation of prospects and recruiting classes for fans, 247Sports launched the 247Composite rating/ranking system for college football and basketball recruiting.
The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services."
even with McKinley, w/o Davis and McCulloch, ND will probably finish in the 10-12 range.
Generally that is very good, but when you consider the excellent season and the impact of the Showtime advantage, it might be less than hoped for. So far there are just 3 'elitish' rated prospects on the list. ND needs to get 5-7 of these type players to keep pace.
Generally that is very good, but when you consider the excellent season and the impact of the Showtime advantage, it might be less than hoped for. So far there are just 3 'elitish' rated prospects on the list. ND needs to get 5-7 of these type players to keep pace.
Great Class hopefully we get some more help on defense a bowl win could help a lot for recruiting..
247 update: Buckeyes with the highest star average
1) LSU
2) Ohio State
3) Ole Miss
4) FSU
5) Alabama
6) Michigan
7) Stanford
8) Florida
9) Penn State
10) Auburn
11) ND
1) LSU
2) Ohio State
3) Ole Miss
4) FSU
5) Alabama
6) Michigan
7) Stanford
8) Florida
9) Penn State
10) Auburn
11) ND
Yeah, how predictable of you. If somebody had one five-star they would be number one. However, you need numbers in football.
The problem with evaluating the quality of a recruit based on their offer list is that a lot of recruits will over-state who has and hasn't offered them. Some will report an offer, even if the school has just reached out via mail. Also, everybody offers everybody these days. What makes all the difference in the world is whether or not the offer is actionable. That is another piece of information that recruits don't freely share with the media/aren't entirely honest about. NO recruit is going to tell the media that they accepted XYZ school's offer, but got turned away.
The truest/most objective opinion we have an any given athlete is their evaluations during the recruiting process in various camps/competitions/etc. There's a lot of professional eye balls evaluating their athleticism, potential, height, weight, strength, etc. Once they join a program, evaluations come exclusively from coaches, and we all know how much politics are involved when coaches answer questions from the media about XYZ player's general performance/skill/potential.
The truest/most objective opinion we have an any given athlete is their evaluations during the recruiting process in various camps/competitions/etc. There's a lot of professional eye balls evaluating their athleticism, potential, height, weight, strength, etc. Once they join a program, evaluations come exclusively from coaches, and we all know how much politics are involved when coaches answer questions from the media about XYZ player's general performance/skill/potential.
OMG!!! The sky is falling and BK sucks. ND should have 20 five-star players because that is what I want! Forget four-star players let alone three-star players. I follow ND on the free board and watch "A Season with Notre Dame" for free on youtube - I demand better recruiting!!!
P.S. my mom needs the computer now BUT when I come back then you will all feel my fury.
P.S. my mom needs the computer now BUT when I come back then you will all feel my fury.
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I believe in the end ND will land Hamlin,McKinley,McCullough,Pride and Jones.Would love to add Demetrius too,icing on the cake.Kelly could replace Jones but I still feel Okie has edge.
Robertson is the 'prize' , an ubber talented ath.His potential addition to this class would change the perception significantly.
Really not recruiting any DTs this cycle, though we'd obviously take the Jersey five star kid if he wanted to come on board. We brought in 8 DTs over the past two years, a handful of them are coming off redshirts this year. We have good numbers there, good depth.
