In the first two years. Think about it. They beat a team that won't be ranked after next week, and they passed not only us, but how are they ahead of MSU that just beat a top 3 team? Ridiculous.
Big 12 can't get screwed twice
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Good point on Oklahoma being all the way to number three. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with them jumping to number three after the Oklahoma State game, but it's ridiculous that they are already up there. They still have that lous lost to Texas and their wins over TCU and Baylor aren't enough to make up for it yet.
100% RIGHT. Ok beats #18 TCU without their Star QB and jumps from 7 to 3? Really
This looks like a makeup call for not including B12 last year.
B12 getting way too much respect.
This looks like a makeup call for not including B12 last year.
B12 getting way too much respect.
I said last year ND would get $hit on by the committee every season. We can't expect to see ND get in playing BC like they did, but ND has nobody on the selection committee to back them. That needs to change soon. If Archie Manning was on it once why can't Joe Montana be on it?
Totally agree. Rankings should be.
1. Clemson
2. Bama
3. Iowa or Mich State
4. ND or OK
5. ND or OK
6. Iowa or Mich State
That way big ten controls its destiny and Big 12 v. ND goes into the final week.
But with OK at 3 and ND at 6....assuming we both win, we would have to beat Stanford by 3 tds and assuming OK wins in a close one to flip now with OK.
1. Clemson
2. Bama
3. Iowa or Mich State
4. ND or OK
5. ND or OK
6. Iowa or Mich State
That way big ten controls its destiny and Big 12 v. ND goes into the final week.
But with OK at 3 and ND at 6....assuming we both win, we would have to beat Stanford by 3 tds and assuming OK wins in a close one to flip now with OK.
Putting them higher than MSU is proof that they don't want to screw the B12. Im not saying I'm not pissed about our spot, but we've looked like a monkey humping a football for two weeks. We need to embarrass Stanford and OK st to win by 1
Oklahoma beat Tennesee at Neyland, Baylor in Waco, and TCU who were all ranked higher than ND's best win over a service academy.
OU has good wins. Better than ND's. They also have a terrible loss to Texas who may finish 4-8 while ND lost @ #1 by a failed two point conversion. That service academy will finish 10-2 at worst and is currently ranked 15 by the committee. ND still has some decent wins over Pittsburgh and Temple. USC maybe be 8-4 and win the Pac 12 South too.
I wouldn't have a problem with OU jumping ND after beating OSU, but I think its a joke they're #3 all of the sudden.
Sooner im going to play the what if game here for you. These will be the final records of the teams ND needs to win this week with their final approximate ranking if they win of course minus Stanford because this all doesn't matter if ND losses to Stanford.
-Temple 10-2 ranked anywhere from 20-25 going to conference champ game.
-Navy 11-1 ranked anywhere from 10-14 going to conference champ game.(I would put my money on Navy beating any team from the SEC on a neutral field today minus Bama and I'm serious.)
-Pitt 9-3 ranked anywhere from 22-25. only losses for Pitt are a close one vs Iowa, ND blew them out, and UNC a combined 2 losses.
-Stanford 9-3 ranked anywhere from 14-20 and already going to their conference champ game.
That would be 4 wins vs potential top 25 CFP ranked teams and their one lose would potentially be to the #1 team in the country by two points in a freakin monsoon. Also if USC beats UCLA they will be an 8-4 team and also going to their conference championship game.
If these things happen you will have ND at 11-1 with a 4-1 record vs top 25 teams and their only loss to the #1 team in the country. Thats going to be hard for the committee to overlook even if OU wins out.
And there is the Texas factor that will be hard for the committee to overlook when and if ND's resume looks as good as it might. ND might not need any help getting into the top 4 if the above things happen.
And one more thing three of those four above potential top 25 wins would have been on the road @Temple, Pitt, and Stanford.
-Temple 10-2 ranked anywhere from 20-25 going to conference champ game.
-Navy 11-1 ranked anywhere from 10-14 going to conference champ game.(I would put my money on Navy beating any team from the SEC on a neutral field today minus Bama and I'm serious.)
-Pitt 9-3 ranked anywhere from 22-25. only losses for Pitt are a close one vs Iowa, ND blew them out, and UNC a combined 2 losses.
-Stanford 9-3 ranked anywhere from 14-20 and already going to their conference champ game.
That would be 4 wins vs potential top 25 CFP ranked teams and their one lose would potentially be to the #1 team in the country by two points in a freakin monsoon. Also if USC beats UCLA they will be an 8-4 team and also going to their conference championship game.
If these things happen you will have ND at 11-1 with a 4-1 record vs top 25 teams and their only loss to the #1 team in the country. Thats going to be hard for the committee to overlook even if OU wins out.
And there is the Texas factor that will be hard for the committee to overlook when and if ND's resume looks as good as it might. ND might not need any help getting into the top 4 if the above things happen.
And one more thing three of those four above potential top 25 wins would have been on the road @Temple, Pitt, and Stanford.
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I'm not disrespecting ND at all. However you folks arguing that OU doesn't belong at #3 by virtue of schedule does not do you any favors. I'm sure beating Pitt and Temple are nice, but those teams are fringe top 25 teams, and OU beat Texas Tech and WVU accordingly.
OU indeed has an ugly loss to Texas, and will still need to beat Oklahoma State at their home. Both of those games are rivalry games, too.
Stanford is a challenge for your Irish, but even a win there is still empty if you indeed are true #3 or #4. It should not be a contest, agreed?
OU indeed has an ugly loss to Texas, and will still need to beat Oklahoma State at their home. Both of those games are rivalry games, too.
Stanford is a challenge for your Irish, but even a win there is still empty if you indeed are true #3 or #4. It should not be a contest, agreed?
Lol. TCU might not even be ranked after Baylor. Can we count GT that was ranked before we gave every other team the blueprint to shut them down. BTW, they were ranked higher than TCU right now.
Go ahead and count GT. That 3-8 powerhouse had beaten Alcorn State and Tulane before they played ND.
And who did texas beat before and after you? Seriously, you are a honk if you legitimately jumped ND,MSU and Iowa.
You're the one who claimed GT as a quality win. And the Texas loss was ugly for OU. But the Sooner's schedule strength is every bit, and ultimately better, than ND's.
Again, I have no disrespect for y'all, but don't act all exasperated that OU jumped you based on win quality.
There is still lots of football to be played yet. We'll see what next Tuesday's rankings look like!
Incorrect. Pointing out that TCU will be unranked like GT at the end of the season. Your conference's rankings were inflated due to 8 preseason games against garbage.
Oklahoma beat Tennesee at Neyland, Baylor in Waco, and TCU who were all ranked higher than ND's best win over a service academy.
Tennessee is not a ranked team. And TCU is ranked below that service academy who to tell you the truth would have beaten TCU worse than Oklahoma did the other night. Imagine TCU trying to stop that triple option Navy would have put up 50.
Now I'm not saying OU is not a deserving team but if you truly disect each teams schedule and top 25 wins at the END of the season and ND is in fact 4-1 vs top 25 opponents and OU is say 3-0 or maybe even 2-0 because TCU drops out then what's your take going to be? And remember the 1 loss is against the #1 team in the country by 2 points on the road not to Texas who ND absolutely dominated 38-3!!!
Either way a lot of football to still be played should be a fun weekend to watch.
Now I'm not saying OU is not a deserving team but if you truly disect each teams schedule and top 25 wins at the END of the season and ND is in fact 4-1 vs top 25 opponents and OU is say 3-0 or maybe even 2-0 because TCU drops out then what's your take going to be? And remember the 1 loss is against the #1 team in the country by 2 points on the road not to Texas who ND absolutely dominated 38-3!!!
Either way a lot of football to still be played should be a fun weekend to watch.
A mediocre Tennessee team and also everyone forgets ND beating the hell out of Pitt at Pitt who is every bit as good as Tennessee and then your Baylor win against them without their QB but still a good win but TCU C'mon!! Heisman QB and best receiver out along with like 5 or 6 other starters and you have to rely on two missed conversions to squeek it out. Sorry ND tougher SOS and better against only head to head team played. Those two things and head to head are supposed to be the determining factors and yet they weren't. And then you want to talk about ND looking like shit against BC sure they did but Oklahoma looked shitty against Texas. This is all BS and making up for the Big 12 getting screwed last year which they did badly. Yes OSU won the national championship but they should not have been in there over the Big 12. So ND is the victim of the makeup call this year!!
Its pretty accurate although, if its based on resume Alabama is probably high. MSU's wins are more impressive than Alabama' at this point.
This is where ND fans are being delusional with themselves and no one else agrees. Navy/Temple are not equal to wins over Baylor/OSU. I doubt the committee gives much more weight to those two over a victory over Texas Tech & WVU.
The Ga. Tech vs TCU is silly, TCU may very well fall out due to injuries at the end of the year but they will not be a sub .500 team like Ga. Tech.
i like the tennessee win, their a solid team. baylor and tcu don't impress me at all. i do think OU is the class of the big 12 but the texas game ? i think nd's best win is over usc who i think is better than all of the big 12 with maybe the exception of OU. the pac 12 is head and shoulders above of all other conferences this year with the exception of the SEC west.
explain iowa with no quality wins ? their division of the big 10 is awful. and please don't hand me wisconsin and northwestern. pitt is your best win and nd throttled them at pitt. you guys lucked out at home.
