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Why is it that Bama is looked at as automatically being in? I will admit that I feel they are probably the best team out there right now but isn't the committee supposed to look at everything?

Say FSU beats Florida this weekend which i think happens then Bama beats Florida. Florida would drop out of the Top 25. And remember this is the same Florida team that almost lost to Vanderbilt and was taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Also if Ole Miss beats #21 Miss St there goes Bama's only win vs a CFP top 25 ranked team. If those two things happen that will leave Bama without a win vs CFP top 25 team unless the winner of Texas A+M/LSU gets back in. Even if that happened that winner would only be ranked right around #20-25.

It all goes back to the SEC bias that is very much alive in College Football. They are looked at as this mighty conference and I ask myself why? Yes they had the great run of championships but are we not supposed to view things on a yearly basis. Teams this year should not be getting credit because the conference they play in has been good in the past. The SEC was exposed in the bowl games last year BIG time. I then said to a friend of mine awesome now maybe all this SEC is king of the world crap will finally stop. Then I thought to myself and realized that ESPN has partnered with the SEC Network. Of course the ESPN media picked the SEC is god crap up all over again at the start of the year easily forgetting what had happened during the bowl season last year.

What superior conference has Auburn preseason ranked #6 have an FCS school take them to OT, Georgia also ranked very high this year almost loses to an FCS school, South Carolina loses to an FCS school, and Florida the team representing this conference in their championship game also taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Am I missing something or is this just a complete joke? Oh I forgot how deep this conference is top to bottom. Complete joke.
 
ever consider that one of the reasons that some teams aren't in the top 25 is because bama beat them ? all i know is on a neutral field bama would be favored against everyone else. i don't see a bias this year. they are the best team i've seen loss aside. the sec west is tough. sec east not so much.
 
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Every team could use that excuse. If ND didn't beat Pitt they would be ranked, if they didn't beat USC they would be ranked. That excuse doesn't fly with me at all. The conference is down this year but yet Bama is not even looked at as being on the fringe with some of these other teams. And the SEC is not that tough Arkansas lost to Texas Tech haha. Auburn went to OT vs an FCS school. I could go on. Put Navy yes Navy on a neutral field with any other team but Bama this week and I would take Navy.
 
bostonirish84 said:
Every team could use that excuse. If ND didn't beat Pitt they would be ranked, if they didn't beat USC they would be ranked. That excuse doesn't fly with me at all. The conference is down this year but yet Bama is not even looked at as being on the fringe with some of these other teams. And the SEC is not that tough Arkansas lost to Texas Tech haha. Auburn went to OT vs an FCS school. I could go on. Put Navy yes Navy on a neutral field with any other team but Bama this week and I would take Navy.
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does it matter where they are ranked at the end of the year or when you play them ? i believe it matters way more when you play them. sec west is the best division in the country. the sec east stinks. the pac 12 overall is the strongest conference in my opinion. who has performed better than bama ?
 
echowaker said:
ever consider that one of the reasons that some teams aren't in the top 25 is because bama beat them ? all i know is on a neutral field bama would be favored against everyone else. i don't see a bias this year. they are the best team i've seen loss aside. the sec west is tough. sec east not so much.
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What you say is true, and I agree that Bama should be favored vs. anyone, but I think the OP has a point. I still think the résumé still needs to be taken into account and it can't just be the eye test.

They lost to a three loss team. That team is #18 while their only top 25 win is #21 Miss State. ND handled #15 and beat #25 while losing to #1, and that's where the committee themselves have ranked them. There's more to the schedule than top 25 wins and losses though. They do have a number of other solid wins, but we'll see how it looks after next week.

I just don't think its fair that they're automatically in because they play in the SEC. Even though I'll concede that they should be favored against any team, I would probably still feel the same way if they had three losses. Sometimes the better team loses and they shoud be punished for that just like any other team.
 
if your logic was true and it mattered where they were ranked when you played the team then ND would be getting credit for a top #15 win vs Georgia Tech right now and that is just absurd. All the games have to be played and then you see who's resume is better. I'm just saying there is a legit chance that ND ends up with a much better resume than Bama and I can guarantee you they don't jump them but why is that?

After looking at both schedules Bama could end up being 8-1 vs teams over .500 but none of which end up being ranked in the top 25 and there loss vs a three loss team. ND on the other hand could end up being 5-1 vs teams over .500 if they beat Stanford, 4 of which could end up being ranked in the top 25 and their loss to an unbeaten #1 Clemson team on the road in a two point game. Which resume is better. And it goes back to my original point of the SEC being overrated.
 
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does it matter where they are ranked at the end of the year or when you play them ? i believe it matters way more when you play them. sec west is the best division in the country. the sec east stinks. the pac 12 overall is the strongest conference in my opinion. who has performed better than bama ?
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Maybe in the latter part of the season, but not in the early part. Early in the season rankings are just a product of expectations which may or may not end up having any validity. See GA Tech this year for example.
 
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Gotta love the "bama's the best team team aside from the loss" crowd. I don't see any great wins by them at all this year. I guess they get one pass a season. Must be nice. Imo, the only teams that definitely should be ranked ahead of ND based on records, SOS and wins against good teams are Clemson, Msu & Iowa. The automatic that Bama receives is bullshit & the Oklahoma ranking is way worse.
 
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oh How I wish Ole Miss didn't give up that prayer TD to lose to Arkansas. Bama wouldn't even be going to Atlanta. Would have loved to see how they handled that.
 
Rankings aren't facts. They're the results of people's opinions. If u think bama has played a #5 SOS then u have the same opinion as most, doesn't make it right though. I don't think their schedule is any better than ND's and others.
 
And just ftr, I know bama is an excellent team, they very well could win it all. My point is more about them being an automatic based on the resume thus far.
 
I also agree that bama isn't the one we should be complaining about. The Oklahoma ranking is the biggest flaw, by far, imo.
 
francade said:
Rankings aren't facts. They're the results of people's opinions. If u think bama has played a #5 SOS then u have the same opinion as most, doesn't make it right though. I don't think their schedule is any better than ND's and others.
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I mean computers that use statistics to create a ranking aren't really opinions but go on
 
SALittleGiant513 said:
I mean computers that use statistics to create a ranking aren't really opinions but go on
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Actually, they are because people, with opinions, tell those computers what to compute. If you took a Power 5 school and matched them up against the teams with the best records from the Group of 5, would you say they played the #1 schedule?

Its all subjective.
 
Little giants, where do those computers get their data? Do the computers self-input facts? Or do people enter data based on their opinions and then the computers spit out their numbers? You seem like an expert on everything, so tell me. How does it work?
 
bostonirish84 said:
Why is it that Bama is looked at as automatically being in? I will admit that I feel they are probably the best team out there right now but isn't the committee supposed to look at everything?

Say FSU beats Florida this weekend which i think happens then Bama beats Florida. Florida would drop out of the Top 25. And remember this is the same Florida team that almost lost to Vanderbilt and was taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Also if Ole Miss beats #21 Miss St there goes Bama's only win vs a CFP top 25 ranked team. If those two things happen that will leave Bama without a win vs CFP top 25 team unless the winner of Texas A+M/LSU gets back in. Even if that happened that winner would only be ranked right around #20-25.

It all goes back to the SEC bias that is very much alive in College Football. They are looked at as this mighty conference and I ask myself why? Yes they had the great run of championships but are we not supposed to view things on a yearly basis. Teams this year should not be getting credit because the conference they play in has been good in the past. The SEC was exposed in the bowl games last year BIG time. I then said to a friend of mine awesome now maybe all this SEC is king of the world crap will finally stop. Then I thought to myself and realized that ESPN has partnered with the SEC Network. Of course the ESPN media picked the SEC is god crap up all over again at the start of the year easily forgetting what had happened during the bowl season last year.

What superior conference has Auburn preseason ranked #6 have an FCS school take them to OT, Georgia also ranked very high this year almost loses to an FCS school, South Carolina loses to an FCS school, and Florida the team representing this conference in their championship game also taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Am I missing something or is this just a complete joke? Oh I forgot how deep this conference is top to bottom. Complete joke.
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You nailed it, complete joke.
 
Iowa is the biggest flaw. Look at the star ratings of their incoming recruits. Same ratings as their current players. They are a good team but not a playoff team.
 
bostonirish84 said:
Why is it that Bama is looked at as automatically being in? I will admit that I feel they are probably the best team out there right now but isn't the committee supposed to look at everything?

Say FSU beats Florida this weekend which i think happens then Bama beats Florida. Florida would drop out of the Top 25. And remember this is the same Florida team that almost lost to Vanderbilt and was taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Also if Ole Miss beats #21 Miss St there goes Bama's only win vs a CFP top 25 ranked team. If those two things happen that will leave Bama without a win vs CFP top 25 team unless the winner of Texas A+M/LSU gets back in. Even if that happened that winner would only be ranked right around #20-25.

It all goes back to the SEC bias that is very much alive in College Football. They are looked at as this mighty conference and I ask myself why? Yes they had the great run of championships but are we not supposed to view things on a yearly basis. Teams this year should not be getting credit because the conference they play in has been good in the past. The SEC was exposed in the bowl games last year BIG time. I then said to a friend of mine awesome now maybe all this SEC is king of the world crap will finally stop. Then I thought to myself and realized that ESPN has partnered with the SEC Network. Of course the ESPN media picked the SEC is god crap up all over again at the start of the year easily forgetting what had happened during the bowl season last year.

What superior conference has Auburn preseason ranked #6 have an FCS school take them to OT, Georgia also ranked very high this year almost loses to an FCS school, South Carolina loses to an FCS school, and Florida the team representing this conference in their championship game also taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Am I missing something or is this just a complete joke? Oh I forgot how deep this conference is top to bottom. Complete joke.
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You are forgetting that in the SEC each team is better than the rest of the teams put together, just ask ESPN
 
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Little giants, where do those computers get their data? Do the computers self-input facts? Or do people enter data based on their opinions and then the computers spit out their numbers? You seem like an expert on everything, so tell me. How does it work?
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Everyone in general does when referring to SOS is referring to Sargian unless I am wrong. He uses an algorithm which he outlines on his site. The principle of the math however doesn't give weight to history of schools or reputation. You are suggesting the SoS is based on reputation and bias not in facts. The way the algorithm works is to eliminate as much as possible bias from the equation. Yes the weight he gives to certain variables as opposed to others could be considered bias/opinion but it's not the same as you are suggesting
 
Lmao.
SALittleGiant513 said:
Everyone in general does when referring to SOS is referring to Sargian unless I am wrong. He uses an algorithm which he outlines on his site. The principle of the math however doesn't give weight to history of schools or reputation. You are suggesting the SoS is based on reputation and bias not in facts. The way the algorithm works is to eliminate as much as possible bias from the equation. Yes the weight he gives to certain variables as opposed to others could be considered bias/opinion but it's not the same as you are suggesting
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Lmao. Oh, so he's using an algorithm. So an algorithm doesn't need initial input? I could be wrong but I think it does, so while it sounded really smart using It in ur explanation, it explains nothing, as it still relies on human input. So it is exactly what I'm suggesting. So u can rail on about how SOS rankings are rooted in or based on facts, by throwing in the really smart sounding algorithm theory, but forgive me if I think you're full of $h1t.
 
bostonirish84 said:
Why is it that Bama is looked at as automatically being in? I will admit that I feel they are probably the best team out there right now but isn't the committee supposed to look at everything?

Say FSU beats Florida this weekend which i think happens then Bama beats Florida. Florida would drop out of the Top 25. And remember this is the same Florida team that almost lost to Vanderbilt and was taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Also if Ole Miss beats #21 Miss St there goes Bama's only win vs a CFP top 25 ranked team. If those two things happen that will leave Bama without a win vs CFP top 25 team unless the winner of Texas A+M/LSU gets back in. Even if that happened that winner would only be ranked right around #20-25.

It all goes back to the SEC bias that is very much alive in College Football. They are looked at as this mighty conference and I ask myself why? Yes they had the great run of championships but are we not supposed to view things on a yearly basis. Teams this year should not be getting credit because the conference they play in has been good in the past. The SEC was exposed in the bowl games last year BIG time. I then said to a friend of mine awesome now maybe all this SEC is king of the world crap will finally stop. Then I thought to myself and realized that ESPN has partnered with the SEC Network. Of course the ESPN media picked the SEC is god crap up all over again at the start of the year easily forgetting what had happened during the bowl season last year.

What superior conference has Auburn preseason ranked #6 have an FCS school take them to OT, Georgia also ranked very high this year almost loses to an FCS school, South Carolina loses to an FCS school, and Florida the team representing this conference in their championship game also taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Am I missing something or is this just a complete joke? Oh I forgot how deep this conference is top to bottom. Complete joke.
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success brings a certain expectation and reputation. Bama has been up near the top for a decade.
If ND wants that advantage then ND has to earn it on the field with consistancy and W's.
 
francade said:
Lmao.


Lmao. Oh, so he's using an algorithm. So an algorithm doesn't need initial input? I could be wrong but I think it does, so while it sounded really smart using It in ur explanation, it explains nothing, as it still relies on human input. So it is exactly what I'm suggesting. So u can rail on about how SOS rankings are rooted in or based on facts, by throwing in the really smart sounding algorithm theory, but forgive me if I think you're full of $h1t.
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Ok
 
Sal, what's not to understand? Iowa has enough talent to defeat teams on its schedule. But their talent level isn't playoff level. When they play a top tier team they will lose. No way they should be ranked ahead of us.
 
I guess I was confused how that was speaking to the conversation we were having but the realized it wasn't in response to me necessarily. My bad
 
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Iowa is the biggest flaw. Look at the star ratings of their incoming recruits. Same ratings as their current players. They are a good team but not a playoff team.
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You want recruiting results to factor into the championship committee results? Really?
 
I think it is very possible Iowa could get seriously worked in the conference championship game. Bottom line is that their talent is not top 10, barely top 20. They have played a very weak schedule- Wisconsin was their biggest win and they are having a down year
 
I think Iowa could very well be in the position that we were in 3 years ago= undefeated but clearly less talented and Alabama showed that
 
bostonirish84 said:
Why is it that Bama is looked at as automatically being in? I will admit that I feel they are probably the best team out there right now but isn't the committee supposed to look at everything?

Say FSU beats Florida this weekend which i think happens then Bama beats Florida. Florida would drop out of the Top 25. And remember this is the same Florida team that almost lost to Vanderbilt and was taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Also if Ole Miss beats #21 Miss St there goes Bama's only win vs a CFP top 25 ranked team. If those two things happen that will leave Bama without a win vs CFP top 25 team unless the winner of Texas A+M/LSU gets back in. Even if that happened that winner would only be ranked right around #20-25.

It all goes back to the SEC bias that is very much alive in College Football. They are looked at as this mighty conference and I ask myself why? Yes they had the great run of championships but are we not supposed to view things on a yearly basis. Teams this year should not be getting credit because the conference they play in has been good in the past. The SEC was exposed in the bowl games last year BIG time. I then said to a friend of mine awesome now maybe all this SEC is king of the world crap will finally stop. Then I thought to myself and realized that ESPN has partnered with the SEC Network. Of course the ESPN media picked the SEC is god crap up all over again at the start of the year easily forgetting what had happened during the bowl season last year.

What superior conference has Auburn preseason ranked #6 have an FCS school take them to OT, Georgia also ranked very high this year almost loses to an FCS school, South Carolina loses to an FCS school, and Florida the team representing this conference in their championship game also taken to OT by a 2-8 FCS school. Am I missing something or is this just a complete joke? Oh I forgot how deep this conference is top to bottom. Complete joke.
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because Bama will definately be on high octane supreme antler juice come playoffs !
better players on better fuel: hard to beat.
 
hoopsstar12 said:
Iowa is the biggest flaw. Look at the star ratings of their incoming recruits. Same ratings as their current players. They are a good team but not a playoff team.
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Iowa went 12-0 regular season and beat your signature win Pittsburgh, Northwestern (9-2) ranked #17 who beat Stanford, and Wisconsin (8-3). Even when ND beats Stanford, ND is 11-1 vs 12-0 for Iowa. You want to penalize Iowa for playing the Big Ten Championship? Big Ten gets in before ND no matter what happens.

Iowa probably isn't the best team in the Big Ten but Ohio State and Michigan State are still it for the playoffs.
 
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SALittleGiant513 said:
I mean computers that use statistics to create a ranking aren't really opinions but go on
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SAL you are
francade said:
Little giants, where do those computers get their data? Do the computers self-input facts? Or do people enter data based on their opinions and then the computers spit out their numbers? You seem like an expert on everything, so tell me. How does it work?
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Francade -- SAL is competing w purse for the boards biggest douche bag award -- leave him alone
 
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bostonirish84 said:
Every team could use that excuse. If ND didn't beat Pitt they would be ranked, if they didn't beat USC they would be ranked. That excuse doesn't fly with me at all. The conference is down this year but yet Bama is not even looked at as being on the fringe with some of these other teams. And the SEC is not that tough Arkansas lost to Texas Tech haha. Auburn went to OT vs an FCS school. I could go on. Put Navy yes Navy on a neutral field with any other team but Bama this week and I would take Navy.
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You would lose most of those bets. Navy has played three good teams this year and they are 1-2 in those games. Most of the rest of their wins are against teams that would be considered cupcakes.
 
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