IMO BK should look to hire more Todd Lyght's to his staff. Todd was an AA , National champion , and All- pro. The notion that he cannot recruit like a Kerry Cooks ridiculous. A recruit can ask Lyght what it is like to play at ND? Who on this staff can answer that as a former player? He has a great ND resume . Go after Bryant Young for DL and Reggie Brooks for RB. Also reach out to Tim Brown is some capacity. I am serious. Could you imagine these ND greats walking into a 17 year old household anywhere in the country? Lyght will be an upgrade at CB now add some other great hires with an ND and pro resume background.
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it's not that easy. first you have to want to recruit and hard. hours and hours on the road isn't for everybody. no 17 year old would even know those guys unless they followed nd most of their lives. just because a guy was a successful player at nd doesn't make him a great coach or recruiter. Michael Jordan was arguably the best basketball player ever and he's proven to be a pretty lousy talent evaluator. Charlie weis hired a bunch of assistants who were excellent recruiters and marginal at best position coaches. finding guys who excel at both is a challenge.
This post was edited on 2/7 10:16 AM by echowaker
Echo I do agree with you somewhat. I do believe that all D1 assistant coaches understand the job and your ability to bring in top talent is vital to keeping your job. Player development is also vital . Those points you make I agree with. If you accept any coaching job in American you better do those well or it's time to find another career. Lyght and Young I mentioned because they are currently or recently D1 coaches and understand the role. As for Brooks , he is an analyst and might make more $ as an assistant coach. Not sure but if he is interested why not give him a shot ?
As for their ND resume and that current players do not know them ? I do not agree with that. Young and Lyght might have great Midwestern ties with coaches, parents etc. They were great success stories and played in the NFL. Brooks from OKlahoma may have the same. I think the ND aspect is a bonus to ND recruiting. Not the meat and potatoes so to speak but the gravy. Sometimes that gravy makes everything taste a little better on that in home visit.
As for their ND resume and that current players do not know them ? I do not agree with that. Young and Lyght might have great Midwestern ties with coaches, parents etc. They were great success stories and played in the NFL. Brooks from OKlahoma may have the same. I think the ND aspect is a bonus to ND recruiting. Not the meat and potatoes so to speak but the gravy. Sometimes that gravy makes everything taste a little better on that in home visit.
Unfortunately KJ23 Is correct. Kids won't relate to Tim Brown maybe no more than Jerry Rice. ND needs hard nosed coaches and great recruiters.Brooks would be great.Justin Tuck would make a great d-line coach and could recruit south.Quinn would work arse off at Qb coach. Never sold on Powlus. ND needs excellent recruiting coordinator. Sometimes they offer way late on juniors that power teams have gotten relationships 6 months earlier than ND.Some kids will never be ND no matter what. ND will get its' share of players. Not sure ND will ever pull Imam,Juju and Adoree type out of Cali.ND ,however should be dominating Jersey,DC and east coast as well as fighting for midwest talent.
Agree on your points Ara
Kelly is getting paid 3 mill a yr andhas been doing this forever -- upwards and onwards
BTW I think ND starts selling itself starting in Sept .. also re running backs -- the great ones are great because what they got they wake up w in the morning it ain't taught
Hoke came out on TV and said it wasn't happening within an hour of the reports on the internet coming out. No reason to believe Van Gorder is gone or that Hoke is hired.
"Coach Kelly said it five years ago that if an assistant coach looks at a potential lateral move he better get it."
Well, why wouldn't that apply to him?
As I have said in the past, Swarbrick should have told him to keep walking when the eagles were brought up.
Well, why wouldn't that apply to him?
As I have said in the past, Swarbrick should have told him to keep walking when the eagles were brought up.
The big question is can these ND greats coach? Just because they had great success on the field may not mean they are coaching material.
Don't know what the situation is like at other schools these days
but back in the Ara, Devine, Holtz years it seems like they always had a couple of assistants who stayed with them for a long time. Ara had Pagna, Yonto, Kelly and Shoults for practically his whole career at ND. Devine had Yonto and Kelly.
Since Holtz, it seems like our assistants have been musical chairs.
Since Holtz, it seems like our assistants have been musical chairs.
Cooks and Alford were the "good people"; I believe the would have preferred to remain and build at ND; when the good people leave you look at the underlying causes. Bith left for basically lateral move; worse yet!
I am convinced Kelly is working under a 2 and out plan; he has little regard for year 3; hence recruiting. If Kelly is a 10 game winner in '15 (he won't be) then he is a goner!
I am convinced Kelly is working under a 2 and out plan; he has little regard for year 3; hence recruiting. If Kelly is a 10 game winner in '15 (he won't be) then he is a goner!
kids today want to know if they got a shot at the NFL. Lyght is a guy that they will believe. For recruiting top DB talent he is as good as you can probably get. Tim Brown is a HOF player. Guarantee the kids today know what the HOF is. So this idea that anyone over 40 forget it as regards recruiting is laughable at best and stupid at worst.
After the Eagles situation Kelly acknowledged as much. He has since said if he were to look at the NFL again Jack should look to replace him, so he isn't holding a double standard. Besides, I don't think most people consider a coaching job in the NFL as a lateral move so it isn't totally apples to apples anyway. But I undertand your point. At the time Kelly was out of line and I wouldn't have blamed Swarbrick if he had given Kelly his walking papers right then and there.
Tim Brown's from Texas and will be known soon as a HOF guy. Ties to Texas would help recruiting there. Bryant Young would be great too.
BumpDaddy
i was not aware of that statement by Kelly; my 1st thought reading itvas related by you was that it was the equivalent of the Donna Shalala "zero tolerance" rule at Miami "next time!"
i was not aware of that statement by Kelly; my 1st thought reading itvas related by you was that it was the equivalent of the Donna Shalala "zero tolerance" rule at Miami "next time!"
Patrick
1 the damned job is incredibly stressful
2 if after 7 years there is no Championship, I think unless Kelly totally destoys any demand for himself, he will look for a more winnable location
3 I think the coaches are reading something the details they know that we do not. Two dedicated hard working loyal ND coaches suddenly up and leave? Sure it is money, but the whole year hasn't to have contributed to the decisions. I think they were both presented with career positions that they could not turn down unless they truely believed ND was committed to winning and that this staff had a 'future'
But, i am just relaying my thoughts; please, draw your own conclusions and positions; i am not looking to convince anyone of anything. Just my opin.
1 the damned job is incredibly stressful
2 if after 7 years there is no Championship, I think unless Kelly totally destoys any demand for himself, he will look for a more winnable location
3 I think the coaches are reading something the details they know that we do not. Two dedicated hard working loyal ND coaches suddenly up and leave? Sure it is money, but the whole year hasn't to have contributed to the decisions. I think they were both presented with career positions that they could not turn down unless they truely believed ND was committed to winning and that this staff had a 'future'
But, i am just relaying my thoughts; please, draw your own conclusions and positions; i am not looking to convince anyone of anything. Just my opin.
Bump daddy, the operative word is LATERAL, and most would consider a move to a HC position in the Pros to be a promotion. Kelly has never discouraged his coaches from interviewing for promotions. Alford is gaining the Asst HC title and likely a lot more money, a promotion by most standards, although a bit murky in practice.
the good news is you will also be cleaning out your belongings and heading out too!
get a grip, no one is following your foolish dribble and no one is jumping off a bridge with you.
SHILL
have the class to tell the board....
This post was edited on 2/7 7:38 PM by perseverare
get a grip, no one is following your foolish dribble and no one is jumping off a bridge with you.
SHILL
have the class to tell the board....
This post was edited on 2/7 7:38 PM by perseverare
First of all a good player does not always equal a good coach. At least Lyght does have coaching experience. Alford was going to leave in a year or two anyway to become a head coach. The name of the #1 recruiter in the nation starts with the letter W. Mr. Win is his name. When Mr. Win is on your staff the top recruits will come.
Mr W? he stopped by in 2012 and a rather meh class so far has 10 / 17 commits with little or no contributions.
UT had a rather meh year and landed a top 5 class in 2015
That argument sounds good but it just lacks support. Other examples UF, AU, Ole Miss, USC, even tOSU on probation.
UT had a rather meh year and landed a top 5 class in 2015
That argument sounds good but it just lacks support. Other examples UF, AU, Ole Miss, USC, even tOSU on probation.
Perse,
I recall Eric Hansen of the SBT did an interview with Kelly several months after the Eagles situation and that's when he came clean about making a mistake by not communicating properly about what his intentions were and not staying in communication after the news came out. Unfortunately, the SBT website is pretty crappy when it comes to archiving their material so I can't find the article, but for posterity's sake I did find an article from CBS where he discussed the situation more briefly. In it he says he only talked to the Eagles because he was intrigued about the NFL, but then after admittedly not handling the situation well, he learned, "If I'm intrigued again, I better be ready to take the job." You can find that article here.
Before he made that confession, soon after the Eagles/Kelly news broke Kelly said his interest was partly to see what the NFL was all about to satisfy a curiosity and partly to end speculation that he had real interest in moving on to the NFL, because he said, "my heart is in college football and with Notre Dame." He added:
"Quite frankly, I wanted to answer those
(questions about the NFL) so I wouldn't have to go through this (again)," Kelly said.
"We're going to win again next year (2013) and there are probably going to be
teams that are going to have an interest (in me) coaching in the NFL,
and I want to be able to tell them definitively that I want to coach in
college."
You can read about that here.
perseverare posted on 2/7/2015...
Mr W? he stopped by in 2012 and a rather meh class so far has 10 / 17 commits with little or no contributions.
UT had a rather meh year and landed a top 5 class in 2015
That argument sounds good but it just lacks support. Other examples UF, AU, Ole Miss, USC, even tOSU on probation
YOU ARE BUZZ
KILLINGTON
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/family-guy/buzz-killington-the-buzz-kill/
Mr W? he stopped by in 2012 and a rather meh class so far has 10 / 17 commits with little or no contributions.
UT had a rather meh year and landed a top 5 class in 2015
That argument sounds good but it just lacks support. Other examples UF, AU, Ole Miss, USC, even tOSU on probation
YOU ARE BUZZ
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/family-guy/buzz-killington-the-buzz-kill/
I'm sorry, but I follow kelly pretty closely and have never heard or seen quotes like that...
Is there any chance you have a source/link?
I'm not busting balls, I'd just like to have/see his quotes...
His pre NC presser on Saturday was a doozie filled with lies.....
Are you a college coach or has the NFL ever been a desire for you?
COACH BRIAN KELLY: No, and I think when I took the job at Notre Dame, I
think I said it was a dream job. But I never went around day to day
thinking about being the Notre Dame head coach, because the job that I had in
hand was what I was thinking about. And I think that's the same thing
with the NFL. I think from my perspective I've got the best job in the country, NFL, college,
high school, whatever. I just look at the place that I'm at and thankful
for the opportunity that I have.
There's been speculation about the NFL showing interest in you.
Can you confirm that some people from the NFL have contacted your agent and
inquired?
....It's flattering if there is interest, which I don't know that there is,
but again, that is such a secondary topic for me right now, it's all about this
game.
Is there any chance you have a source/link?
I'm not busting balls, I'd just like to have/see his quotes...
His pre NC presser on Saturday was a doozie filled with lies.....
Are you a college coach or has the NFL ever been a desire for you?
COACH BRIAN KELLY: No, and I think when I took the job at Notre Dame, I
think I said it was a dream job. But I never went around day to day
thinking about being the Notre Dame head coach, because the job that I had in
hand was what I was thinking about. And I think that's the same thing
with the NFL. I think from my perspective I've got the best job in the country, NFL, college,
high school, whatever. I just look at the place that I'm at and thankful
for the opportunity that I have.
There's been speculation about the NFL showing interest in you.
Can you confirm that some people from the NFL have contacted your agent and
inquired?
....It's flattering if there is interest, which I don't know that there is,
but again, that is such a secondary topic for me right now, it's all about this
game.
resurrecting ghosts and rattling chains:
i read on line in looking at Kelly staff potentials, that it was Kelly who made the decision not to coach UC in the bowl game; I had always thought the UC administration told him he could not. I am not sure which is in fact the truth of the matter.
Cooks and Alford both indicated they wanted to build a better resume; both are now with HC's who have NC on their resume. They must have surmissed so far the Kelly coaching tree has not been so fruitful.
So in light of the '12 interview and subsequent behavior fans thinking ought not think he is loyal to a fault .
For the record these are usually comments thought and not shared; but with the posters trying to stiffle discussion in a candid way, this is the result.
They bring more criticism with censorship
But reading posters who have remained (most of the long time regulars have left or gone silent rather than participate in as Sal terms it "the wild west forum" we have now); it seems that I misread the mindset of this board: the posters now on seem to want play pretend terabithia mindless dribble promotion of the HC (7-5 head coach) as if he was some kind of hall of fame candidate. The board prefers to be or is only permitted to be, a Kelly fan club!
Let's see how long that lasts!
i read on line in looking at Kelly staff potentials, that it was Kelly who made the decision not to coach UC in the bowl game; I had always thought the UC administration told him he could not. I am not sure which is in fact the truth of the matter.
Cooks and Alford both indicated they wanted to build a better resume; both are now with HC's who have NC on their resume. They must have surmissed so far the Kelly coaching tree has not been so fruitful.
So in light of the '12 interview and subsequent behavior fans thinking ought not think he is loyal to a fault .
For the record these are usually comments thought and not shared; but with the posters trying to stiffle discussion in a candid way, this is the result.
They bring more criticism with censorship
But reading posters who have remained (most of the long time regulars have left or gone silent rather than participate in as Sal terms it "the wild west forum" we have now); it seems that I misread the mindset of this board: the posters now on seem to want play pretend terabithia mindless dribble promotion of the HC (7-5 head coach) as if he was some kind of hall of fame candidate. The board prefers to be or is only permitted to be, a Kelly fan club!
Let's see how long that lasts!
"I'm announcing today what I consider to be collectively the most, and I use these words to define the staff that we put together, I consider it to be the most committed, cohesive, experienced, and probably brightest coaching staff that I've put together in my career," said Kelly, who is entering his sixth season at the helm of the program in 2015.
"Obviously I'm excited about the continuity we still have in place on our staff. But the new pieces continue that momentum that I've talked about, starting with our bowl win in December."
Kelly used "cohesive" or other forms of the word five times in his press conference to emphasize a new-look staff with nine assistants, one special assistant to the head coach, graduate assistants, a director of player development and three soon-to-be-announced analysts.
In order to assemble this staff, 2014 offensive coordinator Mike Denbrock moved to associate head coach, outside linebackers coach Bob Elliott moved to an off-the-field role and defensive line coach Mike Elston accepted the role of linebackers coach and recruiting coordinator
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