Any opinions about right tackle rotation?

[Telx1]

Been saying since Spring that Kraemer would end up at guard and not tackle this year. Thought Eichenberg would either beat him out or more likely, that Bars would be moved to tackle and Kraemer to right guard. Well, neither happened, and damn surprised that they are rotating Kraemer and true freshman Hainsey. Personally, I think they need to Stop this rotating in and out and commit to one, and ride that pony. Players develop a rhythm as the game progresses, and they pick up tendencies of the guy across from them, and their communication and timing with the guard and tight end are enhanced, etc... Neither Kraemer or Hainsey gain this advantage as they are constantly in and out from one series to the next. Neither seem like Harry's kind of tackle to me in terms of measurable, and I continue to think Kraemer's considerable run blocking skills are better suited for guard, but I sure as hell don't know the intricacies of line play. I'd be interested in folks opinions.

 

[john0gaunt]

Lots of posters complaining about no Dexter, but the penalty against the freshman off lineman was devastating. That's why you don't play freshman lineman in important games. I guess I'm old school.

 

[wicker]

I'd scale back Hainsey's reps for now

 

[Kelso86]

Lots of posters complaining about no Dexter, but the penalty against the freshman off lineman was devastating. That's why you don't play freshman lineman in important games. I guess I'm old school.

"That's why you don't play freshman lineman in important games. I guess I'm old school"

I think Georgia played a few -- did not seem to hurt them.

 

[john0gaunt]

I think Georgia played a few -- did not seem to hurt them.

Why not? With the crowd noise from their fans and ND"s quite fanbase it was basically a home game for GA.

 

[Kelso86]

Why not? With the crowd noise from their fans and ND"s quite fanbase it was basically a home game for GA.

Good point! LOL

 

[88ND]

Hainsey was not the reason we lost. Matter of fact he wasn't that big of a factor either way.

Seriously if you're considering sitting Hainsey then you best be thinking about sitting the left tackle for the final offensive play from Saturday, no?

See its silly.

This was not a Flutie or Kordell Stewart type of game with a crazy ending.

This game was lost across a number of decisions from the opening kickoff onward. Including the worst one...being out coached.

 

[iwish]

Not sure that is completely true or accurate. Hainsey was beaten multiple times in pass protection and was not not effective in several run blocking situations as well. Yes, MM missed the last play (and one other, I seem to remember) but this week our RT position will be under constant stress.

And to your statement of "being out coached," assume you are including Long and Reese and Denson and Polian and.....as part of that. Everyone bitches about BK and clamored for him to give up some control, hire better coaches. He does and now it's all his fault again. I am not a huge BK fan but I'm also not jumping off a bridge after this loss. And what about the D's improvement? All Elko and no credit to BK, I assume.

 

[twalsh]

In general, any rotation on the offensive line is a bad thing. Since Heistand and Kelly both know that, I assume that neither player is managing to do enough in games or in practice to separate himself from the other.

 

[88ND]

Not sure that is completely true or accurate. Hainsey was beaten multiple times in pass protection and was not not effective in several run blocking situations as well. Yes, MM missed the last play (and one other, I seem to remember) but this week our RT position will be under constant stress.

And to your statement of "being out coached," assume you are including Long and Reese and Denson and Polian and.....as part of that. Everyone bitches about BK and clamored for him to give up some control, hire better coaches. He does and now it's all his fault again. I am not a huge BK fan but I'm also not jumping off a bridge after this loss. And what about the D's improvement? All Elko and no credit to BK, I assume.

I've stated we've the worst positional coaching. It's been very lousy. The defense is better...but how good...not sure. You have to understand that the defense could only improve. It couldn't get any worse.

We don't know much on how good Georgia is or isn't. So again we don't really know.

I can say based on the energy level of the defense alone we are miles ahead of BVG defense.

But we're way ahead of BVG defense just from a simple fact that the back seven isn't under mass confusion at the ball snap.

Until BK can win a game like Saturday night I find it very difficult to give credit considering he's been trying to win those types of games for eight years.

I think most fan would agree that there is no longer any silver lining with BK and nobody did that but himself.

 

[88ND]

In general, any rotation on the offensive line is a bad thing. Since Heistand and Kelly both know that, I assume that neither player is managing to do enough in games or in practice to separate himself from the other.

Who knows. We see players sitting all the time who shouod be playing...or be given a chance.

 

[NDIRISH53]

"That's why you don't play freshman lineman in important games. I guess I'm old school"

I think Georgia played a few -- did not seem to hurt them.

Cause it was a freaking home game for them

 

[NDIRISH53]

Line them up, one and one, and make them freaking battle. Yes I know there is more to football than that, but it makes for a tougher team personality

 

[echowaker]

Who knows. We see players sitting all the time who shouod be playing...or be given a chance.

Define " should be playing " ? Who and why ? What do you base that statement on ?

 

[echowaker]

Been saying since Spring that Kraemer would end up at guard and not tackle this year. Thought Eichenberg would either beat him out or more likely, that Bars would be moved to tackle and Kraemer to right guard. Well, neither happened, and damn surprised that they are rotating Kraemer and true freshman Hainsey. Personally, I think they need to Stop this rotating in and out and commit to one, and ride that pony. Players develop a rhythm as the game progresses, and they pick up tendencies of the guy across from them, and their communication and timing with the guard and tight end are enhanced, etc... Neither Kraemer or Hainsey gain this advantage as they are constantly in and out from one series to the next. Neither seem like Harry's kind of tackle to me in terms of measurable, and I continue to think Kraemer's considerable run blocking skills are better suited for guard, but I sure as hell don't know the intricacies of line play. I'd be interested in folks opinions.

Agree. I d have bars there and move Tommy inside. I ve known and coached against Tommy. I think he s best suited there. That said Harry knows way more than I ll ever hope to. He s one of the best there is. The left side is a problem too. I ve always thought mcglinchey was overrated. Solid player but more than a few notches below his two predecessors at his position. A big guy who plays small.

 

[Pennick44]

Agree. I d have bars there and move Tommy inside. I ve known and coached against Tommy. I think he s best suited there. That said Harry knows way more than I ll ever hope to. He s one of the best there is. The left side is a problem too. I ve always thought mcglinchey was overrated. Solid player but more than a few notches below his two predecessors at his position. A big guy who plays small.

The problem is Bars struggled so much at rt last year. Maybe try Bivin at tackle if the youngsters continues to struggle.

 

[echowaker]

The problem is Bars struggled so much at rt last year. Maybe try Bivin at tackle if the youngsters continues to struggle.

I d like to see eichenberg get a look see if things don't t improve.

 

[Pennick44]

I d like to see eichenberg get a look see if things don't t improve.

I thought it was he and Kraemer fighting for the right tackle spot. Didn't really believe they would go with Haney.

 

[tbonesays]

Not sure that is completely true or accurate. Hainsey was beaten multiple times in pass protection and was not not effective in several run blocking situations as well. Yes, MM missed the last play (and one other, I seem to remember) but this week our RT position will be under constant stress.

And to your statement of "being out coached," assume you are including Long and Reese and Denson and Polian and.....as part of that. Everyone bitches about BK and clamored for him to give up some control, hire better coaches. He does and now it's all his fault again. I am not a huge BK fan but I'm also not jumping off a bridge after this loss. And what about the D's improvement? All Elko and no credit to BK, I assume.

Given they were getting beaten a lot, why did we rarely see an extra blocker in the backfield?

 

[Telx1]

I thought it was he and Kraemer fighting for the right tackle spot. Didn't really believe they would go with Haney.

It was. But then they switched Eichenberg over to the number two Left Tackle, as Hainsey surprised and impressed in practice. Still, I am really surprised with the split duty, with Kraemer getting more reps, but neither has won the job outright.

 

[sharkz77]

Hainsey was not the reason we lost. Matter of fact he wasn't that big of a factor either way.

Seriously if you're considering sitting Hainsey then you best be thinking about sitting the left tackle for the final offensive play from Saturday, no?

See its silly.

This was not a Flutie or Kordell Stewart type of game with a crazy ending.

This game was lost across a number of decisions from the opening kickoff onward. Including the worst one...being out coached.

Well said but you have to understand that the people posting here have never competed or coached at any level close to this. More inportantly they have no concept of OLine play but will throw out uneducated comments about missed assignments and penalties because like a five year old they heard someone else say it.

 

[john0gaunt]

And some of us have sat in Lou's office and talked football with him, Urban Myer, and Charlie Strong.

 

[sharkz77]

And some of us have sat in Lou's office and talked football with him, Urban Myer, and Charlie Strong.[/QUOTE

In which case I would expect more educated posts from someone if that is in fact true.

 

[john0gaunt]

If you had half a clue at all you would know how to post a comment with a quote.

 

[sharkz77]

If you had half a clue at all you would know how to post a comment with a quote.

Yeah but doesn't change the fact that your comments are nothing more than you repeating what you have heard. " That's the reason you don't play a freshman" is absolutely beyond ignorant. There's a very clear reason why that particular penalty occurred so if know so much please enlighten us as to why. I will choose not to respond until you get it right. In other words I won't be replying anymore because you do not have to knowledge base to back up your comments. Stick to what you know, whatever that may be and spare us your holier than thou bull crap.

 

[john0gaunt]

repeating what you have heard

No idea what you're talking about. As for the cause of his error, it's not my responsibility to explain that to you. You're the one showing up on the board accusing fellow posters of being ignorant because you don't like the opinions expressed.

 

[sharkz77]

No idea what you're talking about. As for the cause of his error, it's not my responsibility to explain that to you. You're the one showing up on the board accusing fellow posters of being ignorant because you don't like the opinions expressed.

You made the comment about why you don't play freshman based on that penalty but have no clue why that penalty occurred so how can you possibly categorize it as a freshman mistake? Very simply, you can't because you do not know of what you speak. No need for you to get mad simply because it's pointed out that you can't support your argument. I realize it stinks to be outed as a fraud but you put yourself on that position. So once again Mr. it's not for me to explain the penalty please tell me what happened on that play to start things in motion for that penalty.

 

[john0gaunt]

outed as a fraud

I'm a ND football fan. You're the expert remember.

 

[sharkz77]

I'm a ND football fan. You're the expert remember.

But you're the one that sat in Lou's office or is that another comment you can't back up. Don't say " I said some of us but never said it was me" because that just further shows you're a fraud. My point here is very simple in that you want to get on here and point blame and put down kids that are busting their butts for ND. By no means are they perfect or above constructive criticism but that's not what you're doing. You are throwing daggers to make yourself seem important and that is everything but a fan of ND football. I am done with this post so say what you need to in order to feel better about yourself but it won't change what you are.

 

[john0gaunt]

I'm a ND football fan that sat in Lou's office and talked football with him, Urban Myer, and Charlie Strong. Just a chat with my buddies position coach.

I have never mentioned any of the kids names and never come here and disparage any players. Find one post of mine that does that.

 

[john0gaunt]

I said some of us but never said it was me" because that just further shows you're a fraud.

And you should stop mixing prescription meds with alcohol.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

"I will not be responding until you get it right"... then responds on the very next post; classic beta attention clamoring move.

As for our RT, if both players in question are comparable, play the one with more eligibility. If the one with more eligibility happens to be a true freshman, play him and give your recuiters/coaches another bullet to sell incoming prospects.

Coaches could have moved the launch point around to help the OL.. RB/TE chips.. misdirection.. etc

Our LT is overrated, for sure. He wasn't doing shit as an RT either.

HH recruiting has impressed me. His OL draft positions have impressed me. Our OL'S physicality not so much.

I'd like to see a few penalties for blocking after the whistle. Knock some dicks in the dirt. Gruden Grinder type stuff.

 

[john0gaunt]

I found something new to play with.

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