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I believe this is the deepest most talented Irish team since 1993.

The reasons I am excited for this year are;

1. Talent. Future NFL players at every position group offense and defense. And lots of speed--

2. Experience--at every position group loaded with upperclassman.--very important.

3.. Leadership--- many more leaders---like 2012. Especially at the most important position--qb--MALIK ZAIRE

4. Coaching---Brian Kelly is a very good coach and has been here going on six years now (continuity has really hurt the Irish over the last couple of decades) Hot up and coming offensive mind--Sanford with many more experienced coaches and a couple of former Notre Dame greats who understand the school. Coach Kelly seemed very confidant of this team at his opening interview.

5. Schedule--- good enough (Clemson, GTECH, USC, Stanford) to get us points with the playoff committee but manageable with teams like Temple, Navy, Temple, Wakeforest--not exactly murderer's row to give us a breather once in awhile.

6.Ranking-- Notre Dame is being ranked at #11 by the coaches. Easier to climb up the ladder

7. Hunger---these players all know the Irish got to the National championship in 2012 and want to get back on that stage and prove they can win one this time. These very juniors on this team were being recruited during that magical season and are all Alpha males and winners.

8. Running game---this could be the best in years with an established runner who can also catch passes and pick up blitzes--T.. Folston. Malik Zaire might be the best runner on the team, A homerun threat in the 220 pound CJ Prosise. and a couple of highly ranked freshman--- Dexter Williams is a 4 star with 5 star athleticism. Justin Brent is a beast and may be the next Ricky Waters (a tall receiver turned running back. Josh Adams is no slouch either
And the oline is stacked at every position-- no weak side like in 2012 with the right side.

9--special teams should be excellent because of all the talent that the Irish have. I think Justin Yoon is going to be MONEY--best high school kicker in the country--the kind that usually go to Florida State or USC.

10-- all different kinds of tight ends--maulers, pass catchers, one that can do both, Hback types
double triple tightend sets will drive opposing defenses crazy--- We could use them like Stanford did a couple of years ago.

11. Lots of studs on defense and they are healthy and experienced and have a year under VanGorders attacking type defense--- I think we will have more games like we did against Michigan last year than we did against USC when we had the JVs playing.

*** Malik Zaire needs to stay healthy---But that is the risk with all teams (except Ohio State)

Go Irish !! This is the year ! It is not like it was with Weis when we all thought that the team was just a couple of years away from greatness.
 
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I believe this is the deepest most talented Irish team since 1993.

The reasons I am excited for this year are;

1. Talent. Future NFL players at every position group offense and defense. And lots of speed--

2. Experience--at every position group loaded with upperclassman.--very important.

3.. Leadership--- many more leaders---like 2012. Especially at the most important position--qb--MALIK ZAIRE

4. Coaching---Brian Kelly is a very good coach and has been here going on six years now (continuity has really hurt the Irish over the last couple of decades) Hot up and coming offensive mind--Sanford with many more experienced coaches and a couple of former Notre Dame greats who understand the school. Coach Kelly seemed very confidant of this team at his opening interview.

5. Schedule--- good enough (Clemson, GTECH, USC, Stanford) to get us points with the playoff committee but manageable with teams like Temple, Navy, Temple, Wakeforest--not exactly murderer's row to give us a breather once in awhile.

6.Ranking-- Notre Dame is being ranked at #11 by the coaches. Easier to climb up the ladder

7. Hunger---these players all know the Irish got to the National championship in 2012 and want to get back on that stage and prove they can win one this time. These very juniors on this team were being recruited during that magical season and are all Alpha males and winners.

8. Running game---this could be the best in years with an established runner who can also catch passes and pick up blitzes--T.. Folston. Malik Zaire might be the best runner on the team, A homerun threat in the 220 pound CJ Prosise. and a couple of highly ranked freshman--- Dexter Williams is a 4 star with 5 star athleticism. Justin Brent is a beast and may be the next Ricky Waters (a tall receiver turned running back. Josh Adams is no slouch either
And the oline is stacked at every position-- no weak side like in 2012 with the right side.

9--special teams should be excellent because of all the talent that the Irish have. I think Justin Yoon is going to be MONEY--best high school kicker in the country--the kind that usually go to Florida State or USC.

10-- all different kinds of tight ends--maulers, pass catchers, one that can do both, Hback types
double triple tightend sets will drive opposing defenses crazy--- We could use them like Stanford did a couple of years ago.

11. Lots of studs on defense and they are healthy and experienced and have a year under VanGorders attacking type defense--- I think we will have more games like we did against Michigan last year than we did against USC when we had the JVs playing.

*** Malik Zaire needs to stay healthy---But that is the risk with all teams (except Ohio State)

Go Irish !! This is the year ! It is not like it was with Weis when we all thought that the team was just a couple of years away from greatness.
I don't know about that. Even though they only won 9 games, I think the 1995 and 1996 teams were deeper, especially at positions like running back and defensive back. Also, they were very tough on the defensive line. Now starting with 1997, you may be right.
 
Another Kelly 8-4 type season would be a disaster . Would this foreshadow the future of the program .? Losing quality talent like Stanley, Smith ,Day , N. Martin ,Shumate,Russell,Carlisle,Farley and some juniors who might leave early.

With the recruiting not going that well so far , where does this put the program ? Join the ACC because we might become irrelevant ,stay independent ?
 
Another Kelly 8-4 type season would be a disaster . Would this foreshadow the future of the program .? Losing quality talent like Stanley, Smith ,Day , N. Martin ,Shumate,Russell,Carlisle,Farley and some juniors who might leave early.

With the recruiting not going that well so far , where does this put the program ? Join the ACC because we might become irrelevant ,stay independent ?

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Bodi, nice post with lots of detail to support your opinion. Kelly has indeed recruited and developed significant talent and we are very deep for the first time in nearly two decades. I have been concerned about our defense after last year's debacle, and our lack of getting a few elite defensive linemen the past few years. Fast forward, and we look to have the makings of a very good, if not dominant defense. Last year was a tough learning experience, but we have several players who are much better for it. Having Russell and Luke at corners with guys like Watkins in the wings offers tremendous flexibility for Van Gorder's aggressive schemes. Last year's seemingly confused and lost safeties are sounding confident and experienced and ready to prove it. I'm anxious to see Trumbetti after a great freshmen year, and I am really anxious to see Bonner given a chance to contribute, although probably sparingly. We all bemoaned the lack of an elite DL commit last year, and yet that is exactly what we got with Tillery. We have the strongest group of linebackers in memory, and a great blend of experience and high potential youth.
Offense is as you state, loaded.
 
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Tex --

If the safeties can't function at a high level and if the defense is not top 15 in the country if I'm Kelly I put Van Gorder on a very short leash . There are a minimum of 8 NFL level players starting on D - minimum
 
With the recruiting not going that well so far , where does this put the program ? Join the ACC because we might become irrelevant ,stay independent ?
Yeah, I am sure those major decisions will be greatly affected by the recruiting class of 2016.
 
Continually, I agree. Van Gorder deserves respect for how the defense played with aggression and confusing stunts, etc... but these masked over our weaknesses, which became fatal with injuries. That said, he does have the talent to play his scheme, and he should be expected to deliver a top 15 defense. If he doesn't, then perhaps his talents are better on display in the NFL.
 
A top 15 Defense may be a bit extreme. TCU, Ohio St. Georgia, Missouri and UT all had Defenses outside the top 15 that were really really good. I agree the Defense needs to improve but a top 30 total defense type squad would be good enough for ND to compete for the playoff if the offense performs like we all hope it will.
 
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Another Kelly 8-4 type season would be a disaster . Would this foreshadow the future of the program .? Losing quality talent like Stanley, Smith ,Day , N. Martin ,Shumate,Russell,Carlisle,Farley and some juniors who might leave early.

With the recruiting not going that well so far , where does this put the program ? Join the ACC because we might become irrelevant ,stay independent ?
6 months till signing day.
 
I still think people see it as an "accident" that ND made it to the National Championship in 2012, but ND's weapons and leadership that year were just awesome... Most of that defense is in the NFL. Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix could both have been 1st rounders had they been healthy in 2013, the following season...

Defense
Stephon Tuitt
Louis Nix
Kapron Lewis-Moore (great leader)
Manti Te'o (great leader, almost won the Heisman)
Bennett Jackson (great leader)
Zeke Motta (great leader)
Dan Fox

Offense
Zack Martin (great leader)
Chris Watt
Braxton Cave (great leader)
Christian Lombard (on track for the NFL before the injury)
Tyler Eifert (best college TE in a decade)
Theo Riddick (the most under appreciated leader on the team)
TJ Jones
DaVaris Daniels

The 2012 team lacked the depth that the 2015 team has, and it had a couple holes (primarily right guard and safety after Slaughter got hurt), but it the starting group (which stayed fairly healthy) was extremely talented and almost all of the guys I listed previously are in the NFL and are contributing.

The most important thing was that it was a veteran group, composed of great leaders and captains. At each position (outside of quarterback) there was at least 1 guy that was a fantastic veteran leader.
 
Stanley, a reserve on the 2012 team that reached the BCS National Championship Game, can see some parallels between that group and the 2015 version."It feels similar," he said. "We have the same amount of talent, but we have different people and different characters out there. We're definitely taking the same steps they did, following their footsteps. They were great leaders and great teammates. We're just trying to be great people for our teammates because there are going to be different people on different teams, but we're this team right now. That's all we're trying to be." - See more at: https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1791279#sthash.MOveLDXq.dpuf
 
In short, I agree with Bodi. I hope they play lights out this year. I think the way the second half of the season went last year still resonates and their resolve seems genuine, coaches included.
 
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Believe !!

"Don't listen to it," Smith said of the noise surrounding the program. "You can't avoid it if you don't know what it is. I'm not sure if we're in the top-10 or anything. I just know that we want to win every single game this year and it begins now.
 
I read where this is the first time we have returned all defensive starters (sub K. Russell for Riggs) since the championship season of 1977/78 !!
I guess it is a big deal !
Plus we return most of the offense !
Notre Dame is like a hungry Tiger ready to pounce !
 
My concern is ND's front 7 on defense in compared to 2012, where they were absolutely dominant.

IMO, 2012's front 7 was a group of tough, physically imposing, grown men.

DE: Kapron Lewis-Moore
NG: Louis Nix
DE: Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Prince Shembo
ILB: Dan Fox
ILB: Manti Te'o
OLB: Danny Spond

Vs

DE: Romeo Okwara
NG: Jarron Jones
DT: Sheldon Day
DE: Isaac Rochell
OLB: Jaylon Smith
ILB: Joe Schmidt
OL : James Onwualu
 
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I still think people see it as an "accident" that ND made it to the National Championship in 2012, but ND's weapons and leadership that year were just awesome... Most of that defense is in the NFL. Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix could both have been 1st rounders had they been healthy in 2013, the following season...

Defense
Stephon Tuitt
Louis Nix
Kapron Lewis-Moore (great leader)
Manti Te'o (great leader, almost won the Heisman)
Bennett Jackson (great leader)
Zeke Motta (great leader)
Dan Fox

Offense
Zack Martin (great leader)
Chris Watt
Braxton Cave (great leader)
Christian Lombard (on track for the NFL before the injury)
Tyler Eifert (best college TE in a decade)
Theo Riddick (the most under appreciated leader on the team)
TJ Jones
DaVaris Daniels

The 2012 team lacked the depth that the 2015 team has, and it had a couple holes (primarily right guard and safety after Slaughter got hurt), but it the starting group (which stayed fairly healthy) was extremely talented and almost all of the guys I listed previously are in the NFL and are contributing.

The most important thing was that it was a veteran group, composed of great leaders and captains. At each position (outside of quarterback) there was at least 1 guy that was a fantastic veteran leader.


IIO......a team that had many SENIORS to provide LEADERSHIP. It is even better when they perform well. A BIG upgrade IMO is at QB. Even as a new starter I expect great leadership & performance from MALIK!!!
 
My concern is ND's front 7 on defense in compared to 2012, where they were absolutely dominant.

IMO, 2012's front 7 was a group of tough, physically imposing, grown men.

DE: Kapron Lewis-Moore
NG: Louis Nix
DE: Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Prince Shembo
ILB: Dan Fox
ILB: Manti Te'o
OLB: Danny Spond

Vs

DE: Romeo Okwara
NG: Jarron Jones
DT: Sheldon Day
DE: Isaac Rochell
OLB: Jaylon Smith
ILB: Joe Schmidt
OL : James Onwualu
 
They really put ND's secondary in a bind. ND had real weakness in terms of cover ability at safety. All year ND hid that weakness (Motta and Farley) by playing a lot of deep cover 2. In the bowl game ND was forced into a lot over of Cover 1 in order to bring a safety down in the alley or the box. Bama's WR's picked our weak secondary apart.
 
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The thing that I remember the most is how bad Teo and Motta played. They were our leaders and both played atrociously.
 
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Continually, I agree. Van Gorder deserves respect for how the defense played with aggression and confusing stunts, etc... but these masked over our weaknesses, which became fatal with injuries. That said, he does have the talent to play his scheme, and he should be expected to deliver a top 15 defense. If he doesn't, then perhaps his talents are better on display in the NFL.
BVG has fire. I love that. But he also has a complicated scheme that IMO is above and beyond the realm of the Notre Dame student athlete. Last year the back seven were so lost it's incredible we didn't lose a game by 55 or more. Players not just reading the wrong coverage but the other team on countless occasions were beyond wide open. Like nobody with fifteen yards of said player.
That has nothing to do with athletism...because an average athlete can be within 15 yards of his coverage responsibility....we are talking about very good athletes leaving the stadium on some passing plays. This wouldn't be an issue if they knew were the hell to be in coverage. Bvg is teaching too complex or he himself doesn't know.
This is the 2015 wild card.
 
So what changed between BVGS system at other colleges when he was fairly successful and now?

Wrong recruits for the wrong system. And the ones that were catching onto it, spent games, if not the season out on injury.

The 4-3 requires speed. It is the only way it is successful, and it really requires speed on the line. Under the 3-4 that Diaco ran. Size was the main ingredient for the line. I.e. Nix.

In the 4-3 (base) your goal is go get the inside gaps plugged to shut off the run and shut down the edge, rush the passer before the receivers have a chance to find a hole in the coverage. Mainly because you are playing a ton more man defense on the back side than zone. In the 3-4 you pick your battles of when to blitz and spend more time in zone coverage and the goal is to hurry the passer or break down the play.

Generally the 3-4 is most successful at schools that can reel in big, fast, disciplined line men year in and year out. The Nix, Tuitt, and Lynch type players. Where as the 4-3 (usually) is a little more adaptable to the people you have.

But in any system the first year is a horrible bell weather to use. And last year for ND was no exception to that. I actually have more issue with what actually caused this many injuries and make sure it wasn't some how part of the conditioning or training plan, than how well they did or didn't read coverage on the field.
 
IB- All very fair points. I was referring more to the notion that BVG's system is to hard for college players to pick up.
 
IB- All very fair points. I was referring more to the notion that BVG's system is to hard for college players to pick up.
I don't think it was the system. The first year with a new system(much different) is hard for any squad plus you add all the injuries. We should find out pretty soon.
 
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