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100 Year Aniversary Of Vimy Ridge

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Big ceremony in France yesterday marking the 100 year aniversary of the hugely important Allied victory at Vimy Ridge. Americans, Canadians, Brits and French doing what they've done time and time again. Standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the face of tyranny, oppression and aggression.

Lest We Forget!
 
Big ceremony in France yesterday marking the 100 year aniversary of the hugely important Allied victory at Vimy Ridge. Americans, Canadians, Brits and French doing what they've done time and time again. Standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the face of tyranny, oppression and aggression.

Lest We Forget!
The French were protecting the rear end !
 
Family squabble writ large! The U.S. was pulled in by that despicable Woodrow Wilson.
 
The French were protecting the rear end !

When Winston Churchill said "If I had Canadian soldiers, American technology and British officers, I'd rule the world" the French were notably put off by being left out of that statement.

I always find great irony in that although the French are often ribbed by their allies for some of their past futility in war, french Canadians have been among our nation's most distinguished war heros. I often think of General Jaques Dextraze, former Chief of the CAF Defense Staff. General Dextraze began as a private with the Royal Fusiliers of Montreal, and was deployed in World War II to Iceland, Britain, France, Germany and the Netherlands. In Korea, Dextraze was part of the famed "Vingt Deux" (Twenty Two) who held hill 355 despite overwhelming odds during a Chinese counterattack. He later commanded the Canadian infantry training school at CFB Borden and was commander at CFB Valcartier. His greatest honour may have come when he was named Chief General of the United Nation's in the Congo, the first Canadian General in charge of the United Nation's Peace Keeping Corp, which Canada initially proposed. When writing my Masters thesis I spoke to a retired United States Marine Colonel who I respect an immense amount, and he had served under and alongside General Dextraze years ago. Colonel Veltri had this to say (paraphrasing what I can remember...) "Everyone knew Jaques and Jaques made a point of getting to know everyone. We use to laugh among ourselves because with his accent, we weren't always sure what he was saying. He's one of the only people I've ever met that had a 'serious smile' in that you knew he was joking but you didn't laugh, just in case you were wrong... Two things stood out about Jaques. First, he was incredibly fair and humble. He treated all the men like his own, regardless of what nation they were from. Second, he led from the front. Everybody respected the hell out of Jaques because he never asked anybody to do something he wouldn't and he walked-the-walk. Even at that age, he was as tough as they come. He would have have been a darn fine Marine had he been born in my country."

Just thought I'd share that quick story. It was a pleasure to speak with Colonel Veltri.
 
Tonight PBS is running the last part of a 3 part series (2 hours each) on WWI. If you missed, check for re-broadcast. DVR'd and have only watched the first part so far; but it's been well done. A notch below Ken Burn's series stuff- but still pretty good IMO.
 
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Hard to respect a country where their accomplishment is the invention of mayonnaise!
 
When Winston Churchill said "If I had Canadian soldiers, American technology and British officers, I'd rule the world" the French were notably put off by being left out of that statement.

I always find great irony in that although the French are often ribbed by their allies for some of their past futility in war, french Canadians have been among our nation's most distinguished war heros. I often think of General Jaques Dextraze, former Chief of the CAF Defense Staff. General Dextraze began as a private with the Royal Fusiliers of Montreal, and was deployed in World War II to Iceland, Britain, France, Germany and the Netherlands. In Korea, Dextraze was part of the famed "Vingt Deux" (Twenty Two) who held hill 355 despite overwhelming odds during a Chinese counterattack. He later commanded the Canadian infantry training school at CFB Borden and was commander at CFB Valcartier. His greatest honour may have come when he was named Chief General of the United Nation's in the Congo, the first Canadian General in charge of the United Nation's Peace Keeping Corp, which Canada initially proposed. When writing my Masters thesis I spoke to a retired United States Marine Colonel who I respect an immense amount, and he had served under and alongside General Dextraze years ago. Colonel Veltri had this to say (paraphrasing what I can remember...) "Everyone knew Jaques and Jaques made a point of getting to know everyone. We use to laugh among ourselves because with his accent, we weren't always sure what he was saying. He's one of the only people I've ever met that had a 'serious smile' in that you knew he was joking but you didn't laugh, just in case you were wrong... Two things stood out about Jaques. First, he was incredibly fair and humble. He treated all the men like his own, regardless of what nation they were from. Second, he led from the front. Everybody respected the hell out of Jaques because he never asked anybody to do something he wouldn't and he walked-the-walk. Even at that age, he was as tough as they come. He would have have been a darn fine Marine had he been born in my country."

Just thought I'd share that quick story. It was a pleasure to speak with Colonel Veltri.
Interesting that Churchill only liked our technology. The only country to fight in two fronts and win a war.
 
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Interesting that Churchill only liked our technology. The only country to fight in two fronts and win a war.

The U.S. had the "luxury" of stockpiling while they were isolationists. Yes you guys deserve full credit for the victory over the Japanese in the Pacific, but lets not pretend that you would have won a straight up war against Germany (unless you dropped the bomb, which is some of the technology that Churchill admired) had the British and their Allies and the Russians, not been tough, resilient bastards for years in advance. Remember, there were 5 beaches at Normandy. 2 won by Americans, 2 by the Brits, and one won by the Canadians. Those Canadians were the first to reach their objective and rendezvous with the American / Canadian joint force of paratroopers that had jumped into Europe... While there is no doubt that we needed the Americans to overcome the Germans, y'all didn't come close to winning that front on your own.

There are extremely competent soldiers from other nations as well. Part of that is because some nation's have highly professional militaries. They may be smaller in size than that of the U.S. but some of them are much more extensively trained than the average U.S. soldier because they are career soldiers, which isn't always the case with a large segment of Americans forces.

I don't think there is a person on the planet that doesn't respect the capability of the United States Military, or the men and women who man it, but there are fabulous soldiers, aviators and Marines from other countries as well... I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again.

In Afghanistan, the officer in charge of all participating special forces was American. He had the choice of using SEALS, DELTA's, British and Aussie SAS commandos, but he went on record saying that his first choice for all direct action and counterterrorist missions were Canadian JTF2, our tier 1 equivalent, who happen to have extensive training in the missions that were so widely necessary in Afghanistan. That's not to say they are "better" than anyone, but a smart leader knows who is most capable and suited for a particular situation. While highly unfortunately, their were SEALs killed in the line of their duty in Afghanistan (God Speed to them all), those same JTF2 operatives managed to escape without a single casualty, while being involved in some of the most dangerous and complex operations.

This is why we all train together. We bring different specialties to the table and we make each other better as allies. In my MO (combat medicine) our Medics are much more extensively trained than your Whiskeys and Marine Corpsmen because our military tends to only hire certified paramedics with a 2 year degree in paramedicine, then we get another year of combat medicine training. 3 years, as opposed to several months of training.... That said, American medics often have much more action on their belt, meaning they have extensive knowledge of executing our trade in the field. That knowledge is priceless. Therefore, when we get together to train it usually ends up with this. Your medics teach our guys and gals the tricks of the trade they picked up on the fly while in a combat situation. They stress the principals of keeping people alive. On the other hand, our Canadian Med-techs offer extensive knowledge in advanced procedures and clinical and system knowledge that can be integrated into the experience our American counterparts have.

Churchill's comments were not meant as an insult to American soldiers or officers, rather as a compliment some of your allies.
 
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Interesting that Churchill only liked our technology. The only country to fight in two fronts and win a war.
Winston Churchill was full of crap. Read Rick Atkinsons book Day of Battlle. You will have a different opinion of the FEC.
 
Winston Churchill was full of crap. Read Rick Atkinsons book Day of Battlle. You will have a different opinion of the FEC.

Great author and war historian. Love the perspective he gives in all his work. That said, I don't think Churchill was full of crap, I just think he had an opinion. One man's opinion.

It's obviously a broad statement, and certainly is not reflective of, or exclusive to every Canadian soldier, piece of American technology, or British officer.

The fact is, we've all had our ups and downs as nation's at war. For every D-day there has been a Korea. For every The Somme there has been a Vietnam. For every Pacific campaign there has been a Vimy Ridge. For every Afghanistan there has been a Dieppe.

Unfortunately, in war you sometimes are forced to take the good with the bad, because in most instances, the other side is capable too.
 
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The U.S. had the "luxury" of stockpiling while they were isolationists. Yes you guys deserve full credit for the victory over the Japanese in the Pacific, but lets not pretend that you would have won a straight up war against Germany (unless you dropped the bomb, which is some of the technology that Churchill admired) had the British and their Allies and the Russians, not been tough, resilient bastards for years in advance. Remember, there were 5 beaches at Normandy. 2 won by Americans, 2 by the Brits, and one won by the Canadians. Those Canadians were the first to reach their objective and rendezvous with the American / Canadian joint force of paratroopers that had jumped into Europe... While there is no doubt that we needed the Americans to overcome the Germans, y'all didn't come close to winning that front on your own.

There are extremely competent soldiers from other nations as well. Part of that is because some nation's have highly professional militaries. They may be smaller in size than that of the U.S. but some of them are much more extensively trained than the average U.S. soldier because they are career soldiers, which isn't always the case with a large segment of Americans forces.

I don't think there is a person on the planet that doesn't respect the capability of the United States Military, or the men and women who man it, but there are fabulous soldiers, aviators and Marines from other countries as well... I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again.

In Afghanistan, the officer in charge of all participating special forces was American. He had the choice of using SEALS, DELTA's, British and Aussie SAS commandos, but he went on record saying that his first choice for all direct action and counterterrorist missions were Canadian JTF2, our tier 1 equivalent, who happen to have extensive training in the missions that were so widely necessary in Afghanistan. That's not to say they are "better" than anyone, but a smart leader knows who is most capable and suited for a particular situation. While highly unfortunately, their were SEALs killed in the line of their duty in Afghanistan (God Speed to them all), those same JTF2 operatives managed to escape without a single casualty, while being involved in some of the most dangerous and complex operations.

This is why we all train together. We bring different specialties to the table and we make each other better as allies. In my MO (combat medicine) our Medics are much more extensively trained than your Whiskeys and Marine Corpsmen because our military tends to only hire certified paramedics with a 2 year degree in paramedicine, then we get another year of combat medicine training. 3 years, as opposed to several months of training.... That said, American medics often have much more action on their belt, meaning they have extensive knowledge of executing our trade in the field. That knowledge is priceless. Therefore, when we get together to train it usually ends up with this. Your medics teach our guys and gals the tricks of the trade they picked up on the fly while in a combat situation. They stress the principals of keeping people alive. On the other hand, our Canadian Med-techs offer extensive knowledge in advanced procedures and clinical and system knowledge that can be integrated into the experience our American counterparts have.

Churchill's comments were not meant as an insult to American soldiers or officers, rather as a compliment some of your allies.

Normandy? We purposely took the toughest beach. We knew it was the most heavily defended.
 
Normandy? We purposely took the toughest beach. We knew it was the most heavily defended.

Nobody is refuting that Omaha Beach was heavily defended, nor is anybody disrespecting the American men that lost their lives taking it from German hands... but you did not do it alone.

Had the Russians not paid the almost unfathomable price they did and held out, imagine the the army the Germans would have mustered on the western front. Had Britain and it's Commonwealth Allies not fought like dogs in the skies over the English Channel, the Luftwaffe and the German Navy would have thwarted any approach into France.

Again, America was an enormous catalyst in WWII, but your post seems to suggest you did it alone, and that's not close to accurate.
 
Nobody is refuting that Omaha Beach was heavily defended, nor is anybody disrespecting the American men that lost their lives taking it from German hands... but you did not do it alone.

Had the Russians not paid the almost unfathomable price they did and held out, imagine the the army the Germans would have mustered on the western front. Had Britain and it's Commonwealth Allies not fought like dogs in the skies over the English Channel, the Luftwaffe and the German Navy would have thwarted any approach into France.

Again, America was an enormous catalyst in WWII, but your post seems to suggest you did it alone, and that's not close to accurate.


Ontario,
A very good tread ! You are 100 % correct. WW II was a joint effort by all allied nations. Each and every country contributed. I know that I mentioned to you in other treads that I lived a few years in Germany
and traveled back there on many occasions over the years.
I was told by many Germans who fought in WWII or lived there during WWII, that when Hitler attacked Russia , they thought that he had really lost his mind. The German Army was decimated
on the Eastern Front.
My wife's unlce was there and was never seen or heard from again ! Strictly from a millitary point of view, had Hitler let Russia lie, and concentrated his whole effort on the West, the Germans may have
defeated the allies long before the USA would have been able to fully engage in the Euorpean War ?
Had Germany stayed on the attack after Dunkirk, Germany may have won the war in the West and consolidated all of Western Europe into a " Grosser Deutchland . "
Some of my German co workers used to say in jest that Hitler promissed them a Grosser Deutschland, and " Today, one can ride across Grosser Deutschland on a bicycle! "
 
Ontario,
A very good tread ! You are 100 % correct. WW II was a joint effort by all allied nations. Each and every country contributed. I know that I mentioned to you in other treads that I lived a few years in Germany
and traveled back there on many occasions over the years.
I was told by many Germans who fought in WWII or lived there during WWII, that when Hitler attacked Russia , they thought that he had really lost his mind. The German Army was decimated
on the Eastern Front.
My wife's unlce was there and was never seen or heard from again ! Strictly from a millitary point of view, had Hitler let Russia lie, and concentrated his whole effort on the West, the Germans may have
defeated the allies long before the USA would have been able to fully engage in the Euorpean War ?
Had Germany stayed on the attack after Dunkirk, Germany may have won the war in the West and consolidated all of Western Europe into a " Grosser Deutchland . "
Some of my German co workers used to say in jest that Hitler promissed them a Grosser Deutschland, and " Today, one can ride across Grosser Deutschland on a bicycle! "

Germany would have won the war if Hitler had listen to his Generals. He did not have a military mind. He over ruled his Generals and made terrible decisions, lucky for us, he was a terrible strategist.
 
Germany would have won the war if Hitler had listen to his Generals. He did not have a military mind. He over ruled his Generals and made terrible decisions, lucky for us, he was a terrible strategist.

Agree on all points !
 
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