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If ND was in the ACC they would at least be ranked 2nd in the conference which would equal the Orange bowl
There aren’t anyI keep asking, but no real legitimate answers, ... Give me the 1 to 5 legitimate benefits to ND remaining independent???? Anybody ...
There aren’t any
Good coaches lose these kinds of games as well. Even Saban, Dabo, and Meyer blew games to crappy teams. It’s hard to get 100% from every player for a big game let alone a pathetic game.A good coach always gets his team ready to play.
I prefer independence as well. But that also means that 10-2 seasons get us similar results as 7-5 seasons. No conference championship and the reward for 10-2 seasons is Camping Bowl against a team nobody knows about. So we either win every game, or lose 1 close one to a top 5 team or we go camping. Get the s’mores and hobo pie makers ready because we are going to go camping a lot.Yeah, there are. They are posted earlier in this thread. You chose to ignore them.
I prefer independence as well. But that also means that 10-2 seasons get us similar results as 7-5 seasons. No conference championship and the reward for 10-2 seasons is Camping Bowl against a team nobody knows about. So we either win every game, or lose 1 close one to a top 5 team or we go camping.
10-2 is hard to do and rare.Most of us could give a rat's ass about a conference championship. And not going to the Orange Bowl on a single occasion is a small price to pay to remain independent.
Hey let me be clear, as an alum I totally wish we could stay independent. But the reality that is the current CFB just doesn't work for that anymore. There are zero benefits in remaining independent, as much I love and have loved it. All things must pass, it's time to keep up
Zero reasons to stay independent.
There are zero benefits for ND to remain independent.
The only argument will be tradition.
You know what? You want tradition?
How about start a tradition of winning conference championship’s?
How about start a tradition of going to major-bowls and winning them?
Recruiting and national brand is a good argument imo. I like playing USC and a Big 10, Big 12, or SEC team or two. I was swayed by the previous arguments. I do think Conferences have advantages too. It’s a tough call, but independence is where I’m leaning.Zero reasons to stay independent.
There are zero benefits for ND to remain independent.
The only argument will be tradition.
You know what? You want tradition?
How about start a tradition of winning conference championship’s?
How about start a tradition of going to major-bowls and winning them?
Like I said your too stupid to understand the facts.Hey I didn't revert to name calling, and I paid for my ND degree, so I resent being told I'm stupid ... None of those reasons hold any water in the current landscape, none of help ND compete for National Titles in the current CFB
Its clear you didn't attend ND, or maybe no clege at all.Like I said your too stupid to understand the facts.
Yeah, "clege" did wonders for you. LOLIts clear you didn't attend ND, or maybe no clege at all.
I am expecting 40,000 ISU fans. No joke. This is why the Camping world wanted them.Plenty of good seats available. The stands are going to look like a bad high school game. Should really help recruiting.
Wow, somebody remember to turn off the lights in Iowa when the last camper leaves. Maybe they will seat them all in one section and keep the crowd shot there so we can't see the rest of the empty seats.I am expecting 40,000 ISU fans. No joke. This is why the Camping world wanted them.
I won't engage with a name calling, (I have a name in mind, but pick your choice of word), other than to say the current landscape of CFB will ultimately force ND into the decision. If you can't see that, then I can't help you. You should have gotten your degree, and maybe that education would have helped you with simple reasoningYeah, "clege" did wonders for you. LOL
Why don't you give me 5 reasons why ND should give up independence without a fight including examples like how Utah finished second in the Pac 12 and still isn't playing on NYD as if any bowl makes a difference if your not in the playoff. Moron.
I suspect ND’s status as an independent will outlast the current system for selecting Bowl participants and the current playoff system. For those calling for ND to join a conference, would you feel the same if the playoffs were made up of the top eight ranked teams?
YesI suspect ND’s status as an independent will outlast the current system for selecting Bowl participants and the current playoff system. For those calling for ND to join a conference, would you feel the same if the playoffs were made up of the top eight ranked teams?
YesTo the people who think that we would be in the Orange Bowl if we were a dependent,
do you really think our players wanted to join a second-tier ACC team when they committed to Notre Dame?
Hardly a great seasonTerrible terrible matchup. It’s going to take extra motivational speeches to get the entire team geeked up to play this team. It will take nothing to get Iowa State geeked. This really blows. We had a great 10-2 season and deserve better.
This is so much BS, its not even worth responding toThe only time the rain stopped we scored easily. That game was a debacle that likely would see a very different result if played again. The team was flat and things went south when bad luck on the blocked punt went went against us. After that we imploded. It was one game. Teams lay eggs sometimes and are rarely punished to that degree. It’s very well known that ND is hated by many for too many reasons to list.
1.$$$$$I keep asking, but no real legitimate answers, ... Give me the 1 to 5 legitimate benefits to ND remaining independent???? Anybody ...
If ND was in the ACC they would at least be ranked 2nd in the conference which would equal the Orange bowl
I suspect ND’s status as an independent will outlast the current system for selecting Bowl participants and the current playoff system. For those calling for ND to join a conference, would you feel the same if the playoffs were made up of the top eight ranked teams?
Good point. If it was an 8 team playoff we could still get in with one loss. Hard to go undefeated. And that is the only way we get in in this current system...I suspect ND’s status as an independent will outlast the current system for selecting Bowl participants and the current playoff system. For those calling for ND to join a conference, would you feel the same if the playoffs were made up of the top eight ranked teams?
To the people who think that we would be in the Orange Bowl if we were a dependent,
do you really think our players wanted to join a second-tier ACC team when they committed to Notre Dame?
"Second tier" -- we beat every ACC team we played this year. The only team that is better right now is Clemson and they better watch out when they come to South Bend next year! Would have been fun to play them in the championship game this year. We would have given them a better game than Virginia, Just saying. (And I believe recruits actually watch those championship games! More than the dozens of meaningless bowl games which mean absolutely nothing -- bowl games are now like the losing NFL teams playing out their season - nobody cares... The championship series has made them moot. But an ACC Championship game has consequences.
clueless about recruiting if thats what you think these kids pay attention to. for the record the great majority of the kids signing will have done so this month. please try to keep up.Of course it does. Especially when 17 yr old superstars worth millions of dollars are making their college decision on NSD in February.
If Notre Dame earned the privilege to play a bigger brand team, and win, it might shake some players loose in their favor.
Instead ND is playing an opponent that nobody outside of the posters on this site and some die hards in Iowa will be watching/care about.
Of course it does. Especially when 17 yr old superstars worth millions of dollars are making their college decision on NSD in February.
If Notre Dame earned the privilege to play a bigger brand team, and win, it might shake some players loose in their favor.
Instead ND is playing an opponent that nobody outside of the posters on this site and some die hards in Iowa will be watching/care about.
and the ratings will still be better than the Cotton Bowl airing at the same time.....9am west coast start on a Sat and it's not even the only game at that time. It will have lower tv ratings than the Bowling Green game. LOL