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Thoughts On The Offense in The USC Game After a Second Watch

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Had some time to relax this afternoon, so I rewatched the USC game. For those interested, here were some of my takeaways of the ND offense.

1. Chris Finke played a hell of a game. He's become more confident every week and he's a security blanket for Ian Book on third down. He's really hard to cover out of the slot because it's near impossible to jam him there. He does a nice just on route adjustment. He doesn't run a ton of precision routes, rather, they target him on a lot concepts where he has the freedom to create space from his defender. Not all kids have a enough feel for the game to do that on the fly, but Finke does and it's his greatest attribute. That route IQ is one of those intangible things I often talk about that "stars" won't and can't measure.

2. Dexter Williams was a weapon out of the backfield in the passing game and that makes ND's offense so much more dangerous against pressure packages. Williams wasn't always a good pass catcher and it's still not natural for him, but he's become reliable and we already knew how dangerous he could be in space. I expect to see a healthy amount of him running routes out of the backfield in the playoff game. You have to like Dexter Williams in space vs most linebackers in the country. It hard to really rate how he ran the ball because so often he had 2 or 3 guys tackling him either at the mesh point, or 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

3. The offensive line continues to concern me. USC did a nice job of blitzing and playing the run on the way to the quarterback. Pittsburgh used a very similar tactic. USC blitzed the hell out of their WILL linebacker in the first half. I felt like the offensive line was on its heels all night, especially in the run game. USC was attacking up field and the line was "catching" rather than drive blocking. The line of scrimmage was being reset in the wrong direction, on nearly every running down. A good job my Pendergast, but really bad on Notre Dame's end. They tried to counter by leaving their tight ends attached and in the H-Back role, but they weren't winning up field either. USC was able to collapse on the mesh point numerous times and they forced ND's backs to bounce plays East and West and created a number of tackles for loss. Tommy Kraemer was back to lunging and he lost his feet a number of times. Hainsey and Eichenberg were getting beat outside on running plays designed to the edge. That can't happen. Those guys have to get hooked inside. I continue to be suspicious about Jeff Quinn's coaching. I'm just not seeing a whole lot of improvement there in terms of fundamentals. Hopefully they go back to basics this month. They absolutely will need their running game to be decently productive in a bowl game. If they play like they did against USC, against a much better Clemson defensive line (worlds better), they're going to get whipped.

4. Ian Book had some highs and lows. He was much better against pressure later in the game when Chip Long made the adjustment to free release the running backs against pressures. It gave Ian a nice, easy blitz beater as the USC linebackers could not get over fast enough to cover Williams, in particular. I loved the toughness and leadership that Book showed in taking on the USC corner on 3rd down when he scrambled out of the pocket and ran for it. I've been critical at times of Book for not doing that in some key situations. He showed growth in understanding the situation, how many yards he needed and he attacked the defender rather than allowing himself to be defenseless. If you have to take a hit, that's the way to do it. I also continue to be happy with his ability to throw in breaking throws and slant routes with a high degree of accuracy. He generally puts those balls right on the money and he obviously throws are really catchable ball. His timing is great on them as well. He doesn't throw them late like some quarterbacks do. That keeps his wide receivers confident that they have time to catch the ball and react to oncoming traffic. There is nothing worse than a guy who leads his wide receivers into traffic and gets them killed. Book is outstanding in that regard.

I was disappointed with his downfield accuracy all night, with the exception of the beautiful ball to Finke for a touchdown. That was a pretty throw. He actually throws deep crossing routes and corner routes pretty well. I think the angle helps him. What he really struggles with is accuracy on straight line deep routes and throwing to wide open receivers. The overthrow of a wide open Finke on the double move was inexcusable for a QB at that level and Brian Kelly was right to be obviously angry on the sidelines about that miss, especially considering he missed the exact same wide open pass out of a similar concept against Virginia Tech, with Finke wide open. Against a playoff team you only get 1 or 2 chances like that where they blow coverage, or you fool their coverage, you have to capitalize.

I don't understand why Book kept throwing 1 on 1 against USC's best player, Iman Marshall. I hesitate to blame Book entirely for going back to that matchup again and again, because maybe Chip Long actually called it. If you are going to throw that Go Route (He attempted it 5 times)you have to put the ball accurately downfield. 4 of the 5 were too far to give Boykin a chance to outjump Marshall for the ball. The other was a good throw (an underthrow) that Marshall made a great play on to wrestle it away from Boykin. Regardless, attacking that matchup made no sense. All year teams have abused the opposite corner, Langley and stayed away from Marshall. Claypool to the field was a much better 1 on 1 matchup, even with the safety rolled over top a couple times. Langley is a liability at corner and ND didn't do enough, through play calling and through Book's decision making, to exploit it.

The interception in the end zone was not a good decision. Moving from left to right, trying to put that into a small window. I'm not going to be too hard on Book about that. He was trying to make a play and got outside of himself. As a former quarterback, I was guilty of doing the same thing a number of times. He'll watch it on film and kick himself for it. Hopefully he learns from it. The play was very similar to the interception he tossed vs LSU in the Bowl Game last year when Greedy Williams picked him off. The only significant difference was that play was to the right side of the field rather than the left.

Overall, the offense was just ok. A step back from what I thought was a decent, but unspectacular effort against Syracuse. Kelly noted after the game that they've had trouble finishing the past 2 weeks. The same was true in the Pittsburgh game. They're struggling to beat packages that bring a lot of pressure. Coaches are seeing that Book will shred you if you play off coverage and rush 4 and 5 all day. He's great inside 12 yards. What USC and Pittsburgh did was say "Your receivers aren't fast enough to blow by our corners in tighter coverage and your quarterback struggles to throw downfield, so we're going to close the short throwing windows down as much as possible and force Book to throw down field". That game plan has been extremely successful (relative to the offensive age of college football we live in, where scoring less than 30 points is a low production). Over the next month Kelly and Long have to come up with some creative plays to beat the pressure they'll face in the Bowl Game. They're most likely going to need 30+ points to be beat Clemson.

Something I looked at just for fun to see how ND compared with their playoff competition relative to consistent scoring. Here's what I came up with.

Alabama: 9 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 8 times in which they've scored 50+ points and 2 times in which they've scored 60 points. They scored fewer than 30 points twice.

Clemson: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 4 times in which they've scored 50+ points, including a 60+ point game and a 70+point game. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.

Georgia: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including one game in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Oklahoma: 10 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 5 times in which they scored 50+ points and twice in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Ohio State: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 2 times in which they scored 50+ points, 1 time in which they scored 60+ points and 1 time in which they scored 70+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this IIO. What was the deal with USC's final TD drive late. That made it an onside recovery away from making things worrisome. Am I over reacting I wonder?
 
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Love your write-ups.

I can only add that this was Books worst game in most categories, especially decision making.

* The first down run where he took the big hit. Well he hesitated, I think if he bee lines to the marker he doesn't have to take the hit.

Likewise on the passing decisions. The missed blocks did him no favors.

I shudder that the PC could drop us to #4, it could be 2012 II if Sabans's brain trust can focus on ND for an entire month.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this IIO. What was the deal with USC's final TD drive late. That made it an onside recovery away from making things worrisome. Am I over reacting I wonder?

No I think you're 100% right. The defense, which usually "bends" without breaking, checked out on that series, at a critical point in the game. I think Lea will get that fixed in film. He's shown that to be the case most of the year... That said, ND is probably going to need 30+ points to win it's bowl matchup, because I see the defense breaking more than a couple times against the caliber of the offenses that playoff teams bring to the table.

ND will have to play much cleaner on offense than they have in the past 2 games to score 30+ against Clemson (assuming that's the matchup) when you give Venables a month to prepare.
 
Love your write-ups.

I can only add that this was Books worst game in most categories, especially decision making.

* The first down run where he took the big hit. Well he hesitated, I think if he bee lines to the marker he doesn't have to take the hit.

Likewise on the passing decisions. The missed blocks did him no favors.

I shudder that the PC could drop us to #4, it could be 2012 II if Sabans's brain trust can focus on ND for an entire month.

I too am concerned that ND could drop to #4 after that offensive performance, and get Alabama in the first round, should they get by a good Georgia team, who plays better, more consistent offense than Notre Dame does.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this IIO. What was the deal with USC's final TD drive late. That made it an onside recovery away from making things worrisome. Am I over reacting I wonder?
I'm with you, Toby. It concerned me too.
 
Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, OSU are all fantastic teams. It doesn't matter where ND is seeded they are going to have two extremely difficult games vs teams that are far more talented.

It's going to take Ian Book being on his A game, and Lea having the perfect defensive gameplan to slow down those teams.

ND is a very longshot for a national title .. but just having the opportunity at this point, as fans, is all we can ask for.
 
Had some time to relax this afternoon, so I rewatched the USC game. For those interested, here were some of my takeaways of the ND offense.

1. Chris Finke played a hell of a game. He's become more confident every week and he's a security blanket for Ian Book on third down. He's really hard to cover out of the slot because it's near impossible to jam him there. He does a nice just on route adjustment. He doesn't run a ton of precision routes, rather, they target him on a lot concepts where he has the freedom to create space from his defender. Not all kids have a enough feel for the game to do that on the fly, but Finke does and it's his greatest attribute. That route IQ is one of those intangible things I often talk about that "stars" won't and can't measure.

2. Dexter Williams was a weapon out of the backfield in the passing game and that makes ND's offense so much more dangerous against pressure packages. Williams wasn't always a good pass catcher and it's still not natural for him, but he's become reliable and we already knew how dangerous he could be in space. I expect to see a healthy amount of him running routes out of the backfield in the playoff game. You have to like Dexter Williams in space vs most linebackers in the country. It hard to really rate how he ran the ball because so often he had 2 or 3 guys tackling him either at the mesh point, or 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

3. The offensive line continues to concern me. USC did a nice job of blitzing and playing the run on the way to the quarterback. Pittsburgh used a very similar tactic. USC blitzed the hell out of their WILL linebacker in the first half. I felt like the offensive line was on its heels all night, especially in the run game. USC was attacking up field and the line was "catching" rather than drive blocking. The line of scrimmage was being reset in the wrong direction, on nearly every running down. A good job my Pendergast, but really bad on Notre Dame's end. They tried to counter by leaving their tight ends attached and in the H-Back role, but they weren't winning up field either. USC was able to collapse on the mesh point numerous times and they forced ND's backs to bounce plays East and West and created a number of tackles for loss. Tommy Kraemer was back to lunging and he lost his feet a number of times. Hainsey and Eichenberg were getting beat outside on running plays designed to the edge. That can't happen. Those guys have to get hooked inside. I continue to be suspicious about Jeff Quinn's coaching. I'm just not seeing a whole lot of improvement there in terms of fundamentals. Hopefully they go back to basics this month. They absolutely will need their running game to be decently productive in a bowl game. If they play like they did against USC, against a much better Clemson defensive line (worlds better), they're going to get whipped.

4. Ian Book had some highs and lows. He was much better against pressure later in the game when Chip Long made the adjustment to free release the running backs against pressures. It gave Ian a nice, easy blitz beater as the USC linebackers could not get over fast enough to cover Williams, in particular. I loved the toughness and leadership that Book showed in taking on the USC corner on 3rd down when he scrambled out of the pocket and ran for it. I've been critical at times of Book for not doing that in some key situations. He showed growth in understanding the situation, how many yards he needed and he attacked the defender rather than allowing himself to be defenseless. If you have to take a hit, that's the way to do it. I also continue to be happy with his ability to throw in breaking throws and slant routes with a high degree of accuracy. He generally puts those balls right on the money and he obviously throws are really catchable ball. His timing is great on them as well. He doesn't throw them late like some quarterbacks do. That keeps his wide receivers confident that they have time to catch the ball and react to oncoming traffic. There is nothing worse than a guy who leads his wide receivers into traffic and gets them killed. Book is outstanding in that regard.

I was disappointed with his downfield accuracy all night, with the exception of the beautiful ball to Finke for a touchdown. That was a pretty throw. He actually throws deep crossing routes and corner routes pretty well. I think the angle helps him. What he really struggles with is accuracy on straight line deep routes and throwing to wide open receivers. The overthrow of a wide open Finke on the double move was inexcusable for a QB at that level and Brian Kelly was right to be obviously angry on the sidelines about that miss, especially considering he missed the exact same wide open pass out of a similar concept against Virginia Tech, with Finke wide open. Against a playoff team you only get 1 or 2 chances like that where they blow coverage, or you fool their coverage, you have to capitalize.

I don't understand why Book kept throwing 1 on 1 against USC's best player, Iman Marshall. I hesitate to blame Book entirely for going back to that matchup again and again, because maybe Chip Long actually called it. If you are going to throw that Go Route (He attempted it 5 times)you have to put the ball accurately downfield. 4 of the 5 were too far to give Boykin a chance to outjump Marshall for the ball. The other was a good throw (an underthrow) that Marshall made a great play on to wrestle it away from Boykin. Regardless, attacking that matchup made no sense. All year teams have abused the opposite corner, Langley and stayed away from Marshall. Claypool to the field was a much better 1 on 1 matchup, even with the safety rolled over top a couple times. Langley is a liability at corner and ND didn't do enough, through play calling and through Book's decision making, to exploit it.

The interception in the end zone was not a good decision. Moving from left to right, trying to put that into a small window. I'm not going to be too hard on Book about that. He was trying to make a play and got outside of himself. As a former quarterback, I was guilty of doing the same thing a number of times. He'll watch it on film and kick himself for it. Hopefully he learns from it. The play was very similar to the interception he tossed vs LSU in the Bowl Game last year when Greedy Williams picked him off. The only significant difference was that play was to the right side of the field rather than the left.

Overall, the offense was just ok. A step back from what I thought was a decent, but unspectacular effort against Syracuse. Kelly noted after the game that they've had trouble finishing the past 2 weeks. The same was true in the Pittsburgh game. They're struggling to beat packages that bring a lot of pressure. Coaches are seeing that Book will shred you if you play off coverage and rush 4 and 5 all day. He's great inside 12 yards. What USC and Pittsburgh did was say "Your receivers aren't fast enough to blow by our corners in tighter coverage and your quarterback struggles to throw downfield, so we're going to close the short throwing windows down as much as possible and force Book to throw down field". That game plan has been extremely successful (relative to the offensive age of college football we live in, where scoring less than 30 points is a low production). Over the next month Kelly and Long have to come up with some creative plays to beat the pressure they'll face in the Bowl Game. They're most likely going to need 30+ points to be beat Clemson.

Something I looked at just for fun to see how ND compared with their playoff competition relative to consistent scoring. Here's what I came up with.

Alabama: 9 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 8 times in which they've scored 50+ points and 2 times in which they've scored 60 points. They scored fewer than 30 points twice.

Clemson: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 4 times in which they've scored 50+ points, including a 60+ point game and a 70+point game. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.

Georgia: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including one game in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Oklahoma: 10 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 5 times in which they scored 50+ points and twice in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Ohio State: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 2 times in which they scored 50+ points, 1 time in which they scored 60+ points and 1 time in which they scored 70+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.
Thanks again, IIO. That was a good read.
 
I don't want to be that guy, but, unless some things get fixed in the next month, all this has a one and done feel to it. One way or another, it appears everything goes through Alabama. There's no escaping it. BK seems like he has a ton of confidence in his players. Rest. A month of practice. Who knows? Right now, BK is happy. The players are happy. I'm happy. (Don't care if Jack is happy)
 
Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, OSU are all fantastic teams. It doesn't matter where ND is seeded they are going to have two extremely difficult games vs teams that are far more talented.

It's going to take Ian Book being on his A game, and Lea having the perfect defensive gameplan to slow down those teams.

ND is a very longshot for a national title .. but just having the opportunity at this point, as fans, is all we can ask for.

This.

I’d assume we’d be 17 to 21 point dogs against the Tife depending on how they finish vs. Georgia. If they blow Georgia out, we’d peobsbly be 3 TD dogs.

I think we’d be at least 8 point dogs to Clemson.

I think we’d be 3 dogs against OU.

I think the OSU game would be a pick ‘em or +1/-1 either way line.
 
Wow terrific outline IIO, I agree with pretty much everything you stated. A few thoughts...

The offensive line has been a major weakness all year, I just haven't seen a lot of improvement outside of the FSU game. I still tend to question Quinn's coaching ability relative to his predecessor. If it doesn't improve quickly we are going to have a ton of trouble moving the ball against the monsters up front we will see in the playoff.

It's also disappointing that we have yet to develop a true downfield threat at receiver. We need someone to take the top off a defense when the opposing team plays man coverage (like every elite team will) freeing them up to blitz our pourus o line.

I ask you IIO are there any on the roster, and if so, are they just too young to contribute? I feel like Austin and Lenzy at least have the tools.

I know you've been hard on Book but it seems the only elite playmaker he has to work with is Dexter Williams. Boykin and Claypool are great but you have to have a deep threat to compliment them or I fear it's another weakness for Clemson/Alabama to exploit. (Also I really hope we were holding back because our offensive play calling left a lot to be desired the other night in the first half.)

I actually feel like our defense (outside of a few depth issues at corner) should be able to at least hold up pretty well against most teams, giving our offense a chance to make plays. (Although we can't come out in soft coverage in the playoff or we will be spotting Clemson/Alabama 3 tds.)

I thought Book was pretty good for clearly playing banged up, that tough first down he provided really flipped momentum. He did miss some zone reads but I felt like some of it was just poor play calling. That pass he missed to Fink was inexcusable but I dont remember many others off the top of my head. All in all I thought he played well and no QB's perfect. Going to have to be a bit better in the bowl game to give us a chance to win, but I think he will.
 
Thanks, I was at the game so this gives me some perspective. I will watch the game this week but to be honest I'm going to just enjoy being 12-0 and in the playoff.

From the stands we seemed out-coached early -- and we just didn't have that spark on either side of the ball. ND had the toughest travel schedule of any team in November so there's that but it became clear that USC wasn't going to score much against us and goddammit, mission accomplished. We're 12-0.

There are indeed things we need to clean up -- and I agree with your analysis.

Not sure, given our schedule, how they could jump a one-loss team over us. (Maybe after Championship week, but as of now we have three wins vs. ranked opponents with Pitt playing in the championship game and 8 bowl eligible. And the LSU beat down is looking worse for Georgia (16 points?!) as LSU slides to 13. And we didn't play Austin Peay, Middle Tennessee State and UMass!
 
I think being at the game gives you less perspective. Too much happening. It's not until I get home and watch the game on DVR that I get the total picture. Too many distractions to see anything more than a generalized review.
 
Wow terrific outline IIO, I agree with pretty much everything you stated. A few thoughts...

The offensive line has been a major weakness all year, I just haven't seen a lot of improvement outside of the FSU game. I still tend to question Quinn's coaching ability relative to his predecessor. If it doesn't improve quickly we are going to have a ton of trouble moving the ball against the monsters up front we will see in the playoff.

It's also disappointing that we have yet to develop a true downfield threat at receiver. We need someone to take the top off a defense when the opposing team plays man coverage (like every elite team will) freeing them up to blitz our pourus o line.

I ask you IIO are there any on the roster, and if so, are they just too young to contribute? I feel like Austin and Lenzy at least have the tools.

I know you've been hard on Book but it seems the only elite playmaker he has to work with is Dexter Williams. Boykin and Claypool are great but you have to have a deep threat to compliment them or I fear it's another weakness for Clemson/Alabama to exploit. (Also I really hope we were holding back because our offensive play calling left a lot to be desired the other night in the first half.)

I actually feel like our defense (outside of a few depth issues at corner) should be able to at least hold up pretty well against most teams, giving our offense a chance to make plays. (Although we can't come out in soft coverage in the playoff or we will be spotting Clemson/Alabama 3 tds.)

I thought Book was pretty good for clearly playing banged up, that tough first down he provided really flipped momentum. He did miss some zone reads but I felt like some of it was just poor play calling. That pass he missed to Fink was inexcusable but I dont remember many others off the top of my head. All in all I thought he played well and no QB's perfect. Going to have to be a bit better in the bowl game to give us a chance to win, but I think he will.
Claypool is absolutely an elite WR. He is open down the field so much it's somewhat obnoxious. Book obviously struggles throwing down the field and has much more of a rapport with Boykin. The last 4-6 weeks, there hasn't been many incompletions when the ball is thrown Claypools way. Yes, he's not a 4.3 burner, but he can take the top off. Teams are rolling safety over chase and almost never giving safety help over boykin because no team fears boykin and he's on the boundary side.
 
Claypool is absolutely an elite WR. He is open down the field so much it's somewhat obnoxious. Book obviously struggles throwing down the field and has much more of a rapport with Boykin. The last 4-6 weeks, there hasn't been many incompletions when the ball is thrown Claypools way. Yes, he's not a 4.3 burner, but he can take the top off. Teams are rolling safety over chase and almost never giving safety help over boykin because no team fears boykin.

Claypool is nowhere near an elite WR right now. If he were to declare for the nfl draft after this season, he’d be a late round guy (at best) and more likely just go undrafted.

Now, he has some elite tools, and if he developed those further he would have a shot at developing into an elite WR after another year.

The last 3-4 games are the first time in his career that he’s really shown improvement.

We’ll see what happens with Claypool.
 
Claypool is absolutely an elite WR. He is open down the field so much it's somewhat obnoxious. Book obviously struggles throwing down the field and has much more of a rapport with Boykin. The last 4-6 weeks, there hasn't been many incompletions when the ball is thrown Claypools way. Yes, he's not a 4.3 burner, but he can take the top off. Teams are rolling safety over chase and almost never giving safety help over boykin because no team fears boykin and he's on the boundary side.
I take nothing you say seriously in regards to Book, we get it, his receivers are all awesome but it's Book's terrible play holding them back. o_O

We have nothing on the outside (other than Williams) that is close to comparable to what Bama/Clemson have to work with. Anyone with two eyes and a brain can tell you that.

Book is a stud, has been a stud (#2 in completion % top 5 in QBR and more importantly he hasn't lost a game). He's going nowhere as the starter so you better get used to him.
 
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Claypool is nowhere near an elite WR right now. If he were to declare for the nfl draft after this season, he’d be a late round guy (at best) and more likely just go undrafted.

Now, he has some elite tools, and if he developed those further he would have a shot at developing into an elite WR after another year.

The last 3-4 games are the first time in his career that he’s really shown improvement.

We’ll see what happens with Claypool.
ha.. Come on man, claypool is an absolute monster but book making quick read throws looks boykin way first. What claypool did vs NW, we haven't had a WR do that in a long time.

Yeah his stats aren't as good as I expected this year, i'll be first to admit, but that's way more on wimbush and book than claypool. Chase has the best hands on the team by far this year, and is the only player on the team to break tackles or make someone miss at the WR or TE position.

Teams fear him and are always rolling safeties his way.
 
ha.. Come on man, claypool is an absolute monster but book making quick read throws looks boykin way first. What claypool did vs NW, we haven't had a WR do that in a long time.

Yeah his stats aren't as good as I expected this year, i'll be first to admit, but that's way more on wimbush and book than claypool. Chase has the best hands on the team by far this year, and is the only player on the team to break tackles or make someone miss at the WR or TE position.

Teams fear him and are always rolling safeties his way.

Lol.....no.

He’s not even close to being an “elite WR” right now. Not even on that planet.

He’s “just a guy” at the moment, about equal with Finke and a half-step behind Boykin.

He flashes his potential at times, such as the NW game, but his lack of effort, lack of development/technique, and poor route running stop him from achieving his potential.

There is a reason the Boykin out-produces him and that Finke is so close...and it’s on Claypool.

He’s a 7th/UDFA if he comes out right now...nowhere even near “elite”.

If he seriously buckled down for he entire off-season and then brings a “contract year mentality” into 2019....he has a chance to try to get to that level. Maybe.

But if he keeps acting like this or declares early.....lol, nope.
 
Lol.....no.

He’s not even close to being an “elite WR” right now. Not even on that planet.

He’s “just a guy” at the moment, about equal with Finke and a half-step behind Boykin.

He flashes his potential at times, such as the NW game, but his lack of effort, lack of development/technique, and poor route running stop him from achieving his potential.

There is a reason the Boykin out-produces him and that Finke is so close...and it’s on Claypool.

He’s a 7th/UDFA if he comes out right now...nowhere even near “elite”.

If he seriously buckled down for he entire off-season and then brings a “contract year mentality” into 2019....he has a chance to try to get to that level. Maybe.

But if he keeps acting like this or declares early.....lol, nope.
If he came out right now he's go first 3-4 rounds no question. Teams kills to have the size, hands, and athleticism he has. Half a step behind boykin in what? The coaches have boykin on boundary side because he's too slow and wouldn't be able to do crap on the field side. There's a reason boykin had 12 catches last year as a jr and claypool had 29 as a soph. No question claypool has had to develop mentally but he's killing it and book is just not looking his way enough. He's just going right to 1-1 match with boykin and it was 1-6 on throws to boykin vs USC over 10 yards (not counting hail mary).
 
If he came out right now he's go first 3-4 rounds no question. Teams kills to have the size, hands, and athleticism he has. Half a step behind boykin in what? The coaches have boykin on boundary side because he's too slow and wouldn't be able to do crap on the field side. There's a reason boykin had 12 catches last year as a jr and claypool had 29 as a soph. No question claypool has had to develop mentally but he's killing it and book is just not looking his way enough. He's just going right to 1-1 match with boykin and it was 1-6 on throws to boykin vs USC over 10 yards (not counting hail mary).

Wrong.
Claypool would be a fringe 7th Round Pick, at best, right now.

He simply hasn’t shown that he can actually play WR (athletically or mentally) except in a few fits and spurts this season.

And he’s a half-step behind Boykin in almost everything currently. If you want to compare him to Boykin at the same age, you can do that. But this Claypool isn’t able to go back and play on the 2017 team...so that’s pointless.

Claypool’s own immaturity has stunted his growth in terms of technique, routes, and consistent on-field effort.

That’s why he’s our #2 WR and is as close to #3 (Finke) and be is to #1 (Boykin) none of who are actually elite.

I know you have to defend your idiotic “Claypool is more talented than Floyd” comments from the summer....but this just sad.
 
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No I think you're 100% right. The defense, which usually "bends" without breaking, checked out on that series, at a critical point in the game. I think Lea will get that fixed in film. He's shown that to be the case most of the year... That said, ND is probably going to need 30+ points to win it's bowl matchup, because I see the defense breaking more than a couple times against the caliber of the offenses that playoff teams bring to the table.

ND will have to play much cleaner on offense than they have in the past 2 games to score 30+ against Clemson (assuming that's the matchup) when you give Venables a month to prepare.

That last TD wasn't as much a fail on the ND defense, as a nice play by SC. That pass a catch was a thing of beauty by 2 really good players, Daniels has been bad at times, but he's shown flashes of being a top tier passer. The guy catching the ball was the second rated receiver in his class a couple years ago. Before that play Traquil made a nice break up and the next play the ND broke up another pass in the endzone.

Some highlights and that last throw at 2:45 edit: sorry those seem to be USC highlights, just posted to show last td by sc.

 
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ha.. Come on man, claypool is an absolute monster but book making quick read throws looks boykin way first. What claypool did vs NW, we haven't had a WR do that in a long time.

Yeah his stats aren't as good as I expected this year, i'll be first to admit, but that's way more on wimbush and book than claypool. Chase has the best hands on the team by far this year, and is the only player on the team to break tackles or make someone miss at the WR or TE position.

Teams fear him and are always rolling safeties his way.
Chris Finke says hi.

Chase does not have the best hands on the team. Hes a physical mismatch and is vastly improving his route running.

Finke and Boykin have much better hands. Unfortunatly Book is showing problems delivering a good deep ball to boykin.
 
That last TD wasn't as much a fail on the ND defense, as a nice play by SC. That pass a catch was a thing of beauty by 2 really good players, Daniels has been bad at times, but he's shown flashes of being a top tier passer. The guy catching the ball was the second rated receiver in his class a couple years ago. Before that play Traquil made a nice break up and the next play the ND broke up another pass in the endzone.

Some highlights and that last throw at 2:45 edit: sorry those seem to be USC highlights, just posted to show last td by sc.

It was more than one pass connection that got them in position. A stupid unnecessary penalty on the Irish during the KO gave USC 15 more "free" yards on the return. The pass rush got their hands on JT on three separate times during that drive but could not seal the deal with a sack. He escaped every time. A true rookie QB. This was no garbage time TD. A little worrisome when you consider that it came down to an onside kick when it shouldn't have.
 
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It was more than one pass connection that got them in position. And, where was the pass rush? Sacks? Hurries? Anything?
They did rush on that play and he had defenders right in his face. Perfect pass and catch.

I'm not arguing the defense played a great game.
 
Chris Finke says hi.

Chase does not have the best hands on the team. Hes a physical mismatch and is vastly improving his route running.

Finke and Boykin have much better hands. Unfortunatly Book is showing problems delivering a good deep ball to boykin.
have you watched how many balls finke and boykin have dropped this year. I thought going in boykin had best hands but he leads the team in drops by far.
 
I too am concerned that ND could drop to #4 after that offensive performance, and get Alabama in the first round, should they get by a good Georgia team, who plays better, more consistent offense than Notre Dame does.
You will see white black birds before a 12 and 0 Irish team drops to #4. And IF it does happen, Donald Trump has told his last lie.
 
Had some time to relax this afternoon, so I rewatched the USC game. For those interested, here were some of my takeaways of the ND offense.

1. Chris Finke played a hell of a game. He's become more confident every week and he's a security blanket for Ian Book on third down. He's really hard to cover out of the slot because it's near impossible to jam him there. He does a nice just on route adjustment. He doesn't run a ton of precision routes, rather, they target him on a lot concepts where he has the freedom to create space from his defender. Not all kids have a enough feel for the game to do that on the fly, but Finke does and it's his greatest attribute. That route IQ is one of those intangible things I often talk about that "stars" won't and can't measure.

2. Dexter Williams was a weapon out of the backfield in the passing game and that makes ND's offense so much more dangerous against pressure packages. Williams wasn't always a good pass catcher and it's still not natural for him, but he's become reliable and we already knew how dangerous he could be in space. I expect to see a healthy amount of him running routes out of the backfield in the playoff game. You have to like Dexter Williams in space vs most linebackers in the country. It hard to really rate how he ran the ball because so often he had 2 or 3 guys tackling him either at the mesh point, or 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

3. The offensive line continues to concern me. USC did a nice job of blitzing and playing the run on the way to the quarterback. Pittsburgh used a very similar tactic. USC blitzed the hell out of their WILL linebacker in the first half. I felt like the offensive line was on its heels all night, especially in the run game. USC was attacking up field and the line was "catching" rather than drive blocking. The line of scrimmage was being reset in the wrong direction, on nearly every running down. A good job my Pendergast, but really bad on Notre Dame's end. They tried to counter by leaving their tight ends attached and in the H-Back role, but they weren't winning up field either. USC was able to collapse on the mesh point numerous times and they forced ND's backs to bounce plays East and West and created a number of tackles for loss. Tommy Kraemer was back to lunging and he lost his feet a number of times. Hainsey and Eichenberg were getting beat outside on running plays designed to the edge. That can't happen. Those guys have to get hooked inside. I continue to be suspicious about Jeff Quinn's coaching. I'm just not seeing a whole lot of improvement there in terms of fundamentals. Hopefully they go back to basics this month. They absolutely will need their running game to be decently productive in a bowl game. If they play like they did against USC, against a much better Clemson defensive line (worlds better), they're going to get whipped.

4. Ian Book had some highs and lows. He was much better against pressure later in the game when Chip Long made the adjustment to free release the running backs against pressures. It gave Ian a nice, easy blitz beater as the USC linebackers could not get over fast enough to cover Williams, in particular. I loved the toughness and leadership that Book showed in taking on the USC corner on 3rd down when he scrambled out of the pocket and ran for it. I've been critical at times of Book for not doing that in some key situations. He showed growth in understanding the situation, how many yards he needed and he attacked the defender rather than allowing himself to be defenseless. If you have to take a hit, that's the way to do it. I also continue to be happy with his ability to throw in breaking throws and slant routes with a high degree of accuracy. He generally puts those balls right on the money and he obviously throws are really catchable ball. His timing is great on them as well. He doesn't throw them late like some quarterbacks do. That keeps his wide receivers confident that they have time to catch the ball and react to oncoming traffic. There is nothing worse than a guy who leads his wide receivers into traffic and gets them killed. Book is outstanding in that regard.

I was disappointed with his downfield accuracy all night, with the exception of the beautiful ball to Finke for a touchdown. That was a pretty throw. He actually throws deep crossing routes and corner routes pretty well. I think the angle helps him. What he really struggles with is accuracy on straight line deep routes and throwing to wide open receivers. The overthrow of a wide open Finke on the double move was inexcusable for a QB at that level and Brian Kelly was right to be obviously angry on the sidelines about that miss, especially considering he missed the exact same wide open pass out of a similar concept against Virginia Tech, with Finke wide open. Against a playoff team you only get 1 or 2 chances like that where they blow coverage, or you fool their coverage, you have to capitalize.

I don't understand why Book kept throwing 1 on 1 against USC's best player, Iman Marshall. I hesitate to blame Book entirely for going back to that matchup again and again, because maybe Chip Long actually called it. If you are going to throw that Go Route (He attempted it 5 times)you have to put the ball accurately downfield. 4 of the 5 were too far to give Boykin a chance to outjump Marshall for the ball. The other was a good throw (an underthrow) that Marshall made a great play on to wrestle it away from Boykin. Regardless, attacking that matchup made no sense. All year teams have abused the opposite corner, Langley and stayed away from Marshall. Claypool to the field was a much better 1 on 1 matchup, even with the safety rolled over top a couple times. Langley is a liability at corner and ND didn't do enough, through play calling and through Book's decision making, to exploit it.

The interception in the end zone was not a good decision. Moving from left to right, trying to put that into a small window. I'm not going to be too hard on Book about that. He was trying to make a play and got outside of himself. As a former quarterback, I was guilty of doing the same thing a number of times. He'll watch it on film and kick himself for it. Hopefully he learns from it. The play was very similar to the interception he tossed vs LSU in the Bowl Game last year when Greedy Williams picked him off. The only significant difference was that play was to the right side of the field rather than the left.

Overall, the offense was just ok. A step back from what I thought was a decent, but unspectacular effort against Syracuse. Kelly noted after the game that they've had trouble finishing the past 2 weeks. The same was true in the Pittsburgh game. They're struggling to beat packages that bring a lot of pressure. Coaches are seeing that Book will shred you if you play off coverage and rush 4 and 5 all day. He's great inside 12 yards. What USC and Pittsburgh did was say "Your receivers aren't fast enough to blow by our corners in tighter coverage and your quarterback struggles to throw downfield, so we're going to close the short throwing windows down as much as possible and force Book to throw down field". That game plan has been extremely successful (relative to the offensive age of college football we live in, where scoring less than 30 points is a low production). Over the next month Kelly and Long have to come up with some creative plays to beat the pressure they'll face in the Bowl Game. They're most likely going to need 30+ points to be beat Clemson.

Something I looked at just for fun to see how ND compared with their playoff competition relative to consistent scoring. Here's what I came up with.

Alabama: 9 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 8 times in which they've scored 50+ points and 2 times in which they've scored 60 points. They scored fewer than 30 points twice.

Clemson: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 4 times in which they've scored 50+ points, including a 60+ point game and a 70+point game. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.

Georgia: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including one game in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Oklahoma: 10 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 5 times in which they scored 50+ points and twice in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Ohio State: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 2 times in which they scored 50+ points, 1 time in which they scored 60+ points and 1 time in which they scored 70+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.
Throwing the ball on first down is great, but those throws need to be plays where you'd expect to complete 80% of them. And they usually work best out of play action. We threw several lower percentage throws on first down, including two or three back shoulder fades 20 to 25 yards downfield against USC's best DB. And since we were not running the ball well, especially early, those incompletions put us in a hole. We need to be smarter about first down, and make sure we call pass plays that fit Book's strengths. Not challenging throws.
 
Throwing the ball on first down is great, but those throws need to be plays where you'd expect to complete 80% of them. And they usually work best out of play action. We threw several lower percentage throws on first down, including two or three back shoulder fades 20 to 25 yards downfield against USC's best DB. And since we were not running the ball well, especially early, those incompletions put us in a hole. We need to be smarter about first down, and make sure we call pass plays that fit Book's strengths. Not challenging throws.
Yep, those throws to boykin on first down were head scratchers. Boyking is money on the back shoulder throw, but not fighting for the ball in traffic, or out jumping the DB. Boykin has his strengths and they were not utilizing them vs USC, almost like they were playing for PI.
 
Claypool is absolutely an elite WR. He is open down the field so much it's somewhat obnoxious. Book obviously struggles throwing down the field and has much more of a rapport with Boykin. The last 4-6 weeks, there hasn't been many incompletions when the ball is thrown Claypools way. Yes, he's not a 4.3 burner, but he can take the top off. Teams are rolling safety over chase and almost never giving safety help over boykin because no team fears boykin and he's on the boundary side.
Boykin is faster than Claypool. Boykin is just a long strider.
 
Would like to find out why they kept throwing against Marshall. That guy is a stud! I believe the the other dbs were back ups and/or walk ons

my initial thought is that is probably an auto check built into specific playcalls in the offense if they are facing disadvantageous numbers in the box for a run look and Book realizes that he has cover 0, or cover 1 with the safety to the field. Because any decent defensive coordinator is going to align his deep safety to the field in cover 1, naturally, your boundary receiver (in this case, Boykin) becomes the standard target on a 9 route (or whatever you have built in).

I'd like to think that's the season you saw what you did. Otherwise, there is absolutely no excuse for attacking Iman Marshall, their best cover corner, when Langley has struggled immensely this year to the field and has been picked on by everyone USC has faced. Particularly when you don't have the speed in the boundary to run by him, and a quarterback who is averaging somewhere between 10-20% completion percentage on Go Route / Fade Routes... In any football game you have to take some deep shots to back the coverage off. That's always going to play into it too. That's part the of the chest game for Long every week. He knows that Book is excellent at throwing passes to Boykin to the sticks, but in recent weeks teams have taken Boykin's cushion away and are sitting on those routes. Syracuse did a really nice job of breaking a couple passes intended to Boykin on the depth, because they didn't respect his ability to run by their corners. Marshall used the same tactic, so sending Boykin deep a couple times could have also been low percentage attempts with an eye towards creating some pre snap space between Marshall and Boykin, so he could free release and didn't have a flat footed Marshall sitting on routes to the sticks.

I hope the media asks Brian Kelly that question, because it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, unless the latter portion of my post was the reasoning.
 
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They did rush on that play and he had defenders right in his face. Perfect pass and catch.

I'm not arguing the defense played a great game.
Our guys got to him three times during that drive and let him slip away all three times. When I say "got", I mean actually grabbing him. I think it was two completions and one he intentionally threw it away. You have to seal the deal. At least once. He's a true Freshman. That was an important drive. BK made mention of that last drive. The Irish "D" did play a good second half, except for that last drive where they started to celebrate 3 minutes too early. . Tagovailoa, Hurts, Haskins, Murray, Fromm, Lawrence.
 
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No I think you're 100% right. The defense, which usually "bends" without breaking, checked out on that series, at a critical point in the game. I think Lea will get that fixed in film. He's shown that to be the case most of the year... That said, ND is probably going to need 30+ points to win it's bowl matchup, because I see the defense breaking more than a couple times against the caliber of the offenses that playoff teams bring to the table.

ND will have to play much cleaner on offense than they have in the past 2 games to score 30+ against Clemson (assuming that's the matchup) when you give Venables a month to prepare.


They bent, but Daniels also threw a beautiful pass for that TD when it looked like we were going to shut that last drive down.
 
They did rush on that play and he had defenders right in his face. Perfect pass and catch.

I'm not arguing the defense played a great game.

That was a terrible play call from Lea up 14 with 45 seconds left. The only way to lose the game was a quick long td pass. There is no excuse for not placing two safeties on the goal line.
 
That was a terrible play call from Lea up 14 with 45 seconds left. The only way to lose the game was a quick long td pass.

There is no excuse for not placing two safeties on the goal line.

Agree
 
What some seem to forget is that a QB is only as good as his OLine when it comes to performance.

Given time a standing QB can pick a defense apart.

Over the years It’s been my observation that when a QB’s is flat on their back they aren’t very successful at completing short, medium or long passes.

Everything begins with the OLine !

Open holes and the running backs gain yards.

Protect the QB and completion percentages and yards per attempt go up.

The offensive key in future games is epicentered on the OLine !
 
They bent, but Daniels also threw a beautiful pass for that TD when it looked like we were going to shut that last drive down.
It was more than that beautiful pass for the score that keeps getting mentioned and it all started with that needless penalty on the KO which put the ball at around the 40 I believe. Three hand grabs on the QB and he slips away all three times? One might have been by Coney, but not sure. JT would not have been in a position for that beautiful pass for a score if at least one of those times he went down. And yes, that last defensive call was not good. I think Lea started to celebrate three minutes to early also. Can't have this against any of the QBs I mentioned above.
 
Had some time to relax this afternoon, so I rewatched the USC game. For those interested, here were some of my takeaways of the ND offense.

1. Chris Finke played a hell of a game. He's become more confident every week and he's a security blanket for Ian Book on third down. He's really hard to cover out of the slot because it's near impossible to jam him there. He does a nice just on route adjustment. He doesn't run a ton of precision routes, rather, they target him on a lot concepts where he has the freedom to create space from his defender. Not all kids have a enough feel for the game to do that on the fly, but Finke does and it's his greatest attribute. That route IQ is one of those intangible things I often talk about that "stars" won't and can't measure.

2. Dexter Williams was a weapon out of the backfield in the passing game and that makes ND's offense so much more dangerous against pressure packages. Williams wasn't always a good pass catcher and it's still not natural for him, but he's become reliable and we already knew how dangerous he could be in space. I expect to see a healthy amount of him running routes out of the backfield in the playoff game. You have to like Dexter Williams in space vs most linebackers in the country. It hard to really rate how he ran the ball because so often he had 2 or 3 guys tackling him either at the mesh point, or 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

3. The offensive line continues to concern me. USC did a nice job of blitzing and playing the run on the way to the quarterback. Pittsburgh used a very similar tactic. USC blitzed the hell out of their WILL linebacker in the first half. I felt like the offensive line was on its heels all night, especially in the run game. USC was attacking up field and the line was "catching" rather than drive blocking. The line of scrimmage was being reset in the wrong direction, on nearly every running down. A good job my Pendergast, but really bad on Notre Dame's end. They tried to counter by leaving their tight ends attached and in the H-Back role, but they weren't winning up field either. USC was able to collapse on the mesh point numerous times and they forced ND's backs to bounce plays East and West and created a number of tackles for loss. Tommy Kraemer was back to lunging and he lost his feet a number of times. Hainsey and Eichenberg were getting beat outside on running plays designed to the edge. That can't happen. Those guys have to get hooked inside. I continue to be suspicious about Jeff Quinn's coaching. I'm just not seeing a whole lot of improvement there in terms of fundamentals. Hopefully they go back to basics this month. They absolutely will need their running game to be decently productive in a bowl game. If they play like they did against USC, against a much better Clemson defensive line (worlds better), they're going to get whipped.

4. Ian Book had some highs and lows. He was much better against pressure later in the game when Chip Long made the adjustment to free release the running backs against pressures. It gave Ian a nice, easy blitz beater as the USC linebackers could not get over fast enough to cover Williams, in particular. I loved the toughness and leadership that Book showed in taking on the USC corner on 3rd down when he scrambled out of the pocket and ran for it. I've been critical at times of Book for not doing that in some key situations. He showed growth in understanding the situation, how many yards he needed and he attacked the defender rather than allowing himself to be defenseless. If you have to take a hit, that's the way to do it. I also continue to be happy with his ability to throw in breaking throws and slant routes with a high degree of accuracy. He generally puts those balls right on the money and he obviously throws are really catchable ball. His timing is great on them as well. He doesn't throw them late like some quarterbacks do. That keeps his wide receivers confident that they have time to catch the ball and react to oncoming traffic. There is nothing worse than a guy who leads his wide receivers into traffic and gets them killed. Book is outstanding in that regard.

I was disappointed with his downfield accuracy all night, with the exception of the beautiful ball to Finke for a touchdown. That was a pretty throw. He actually throws deep crossing routes and corner routes pretty well. I think the angle helps him. What he really struggles with is accuracy on straight line deep routes and throwing to wide open receivers. The overthrow of a wide open Finke on the double move was inexcusable for a QB at that level and Brian Kelly was right to be obviously angry on the sidelines about that miss, especially considering he missed the exact same wide open pass out of a similar concept against Virginia Tech, with Finke wide open. Against a playoff team you only get 1 or 2 chances like that where they blow coverage, or you fool their coverage, you have to capitalize.

I don't understand why Book kept throwing 1 on 1 against USC's best player, Iman Marshall. I hesitate to blame Book entirely for going back to that matchup again and again, because maybe Chip Long actually called it. If you are going to throw that Go Route (He attempted it 5 times)you have to put the ball accurately downfield. 4 of the 5 were too far to give Boykin a chance to outjump Marshall for the ball. The other was a good throw (an underthrow) that Marshall made a great play on to wrestle it away from Boykin. Regardless, attacking that matchup made no sense. All year teams have abused the opposite corner, Langley and stayed away from Marshall. Claypool to the field was a much better 1 on 1 matchup, even with the safety rolled over top a couple times. Langley is a liability at corner and ND didn't do enough, through play calling and through Book's decision making, to exploit it.

The interception in the end zone was not a good decision. Moving from left to right, trying to put that into a small window. I'm not going to be too hard on Book about that. He was trying to make a play and got outside of himself. As a former quarterback, I was guilty of doing the same thing a number of times. He'll watch it on film and kick himself for it. Hopefully he learns from it. The play was very similar to the interception he tossed vs LSU in the Bowl Game last year when Greedy Williams picked him off. The only significant difference was that play was to the right side of the field rather than the left.

Overall, the offense was just ok. A step back from what I thought was a decent, but unspectacular effort against Syracuse. Kelly noted after the game that they've had trouble finishing the past 2 weeks. The same was true in the Pittsburgh game. They're struggling to beat packages that bring a lot of pressure. Coaches are seeing that Book will shred you if you play off coverage and rush 4 and 5 all day. He's great inside 12 yards. What USC and Pittsburgh did was say "Your receivers aren't fast enough to blow by our corners in tighter coverage and your quarterback struggles to throw downfield, so we're going to close the short throwing windows down as much as possible and force Book to throw down field". That game plan has been extremely successful (relative to the offensive age of college football we live in, where scoring less than 30 points is a low production). Over the next month Kelly and Long have to come up with some creative plays to beat the pressure they'll face in the Bowl Game. They're most likely going to need 30+ points to be beat Clemson.

Something I looked at just for fun to see how ND compared with their playoff competition relative to consistent scoring. Here's what I came up with.

Alabama: 9 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 8 times in which they've scored 50+ points and 2 times in which they've scored 60 points. They scored fewer than 30 points twice.

Clemson: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 4 times in which they've scored 50+ points, including a 60+ point game and a 70+point game. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.

Georgia: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including one game in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Oklahoma: 10 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 5 times in which they scored 50+ points and twice in which they scored 60+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points once.

Ohio State: 7 times this season they've scored 40+ points, including 2 times in which they scored 50+ points, 1 time in which they scored 60+ points and 1 time in which they scored 70+ points. They scored fewer than 30 points 3 times.
very nice write up and agree with most of your points. i was wondering on how 0-line would perform this year after Mike and Q moved on. the last couple years our line was truly dominant particularly on the ground. haven't seen that consistent dominance this year. lets be honest SC has athletes but they lack depth and experience on d-line and our line really struggled with them at times. with the big boys my fear is we struggle more
 
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