Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy

[theskibro]

Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy. TheSkibro happy with win not with performance

Summary —
1- Too predictable
2- not looking like a playoff team
3- And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid He had some good moments. He also had opportunities to move the ball and made bad throws. He should get better. Overall very good first game from him he is a class act also. I do hope they get Buchner in some games this year
4- our defense is horrendous. Freeman can recruit. His coaching is still open for debate. I really, really like the aggressive approach and I like Freeman. His players let him down and he used a 3 front too much
5- Right now I am not afraid to say that Myer is overated. 2 drops. And don’t forget the Clemson game drop n his penalty that fortunately did not hurt us Now is he the best right end in the country? That is still for him to prove. He is very good. He needs to focus. Too many drops

The good, bad n ugly-
First series - Good & Bad: Predictable - Coan to Myer. Duh. Any team should be able to defense that but FSU kinda sucks so we score. This was typical 2020 Rees. Predictable. It was successful but teams should be blanketing Myer. Now I am not saying Rees is always predictable cause he showed some nice play selections tonight and I am encouraged he is being more aggressive than 2020

The good n bad - According to QB guru Kelly, Coan is very accurate. Yeah, flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. So Coan had a nice night but needs to be better

1:20 to go first half. Coan incapable of moving ball in 2 minute drill. Underthows long pass again. arm strength ???yet he had a Sensational first game with 4 tds.

The vey Bad —. This team allowed FSU to get into the game by not executing and going for the throat in Q1 and then a horrid display of defense, lack of wrapping up, over running plays, and bad pass coverage in Q4

Second half, more good n bad — —
the FSU starting QB basically is not that good and he throws a beauty of a leading bomb for a TD. Coan seemingly can’t throw deep, he underthrows 2 x then makes some nice mid range throws to Milton n Austin. And our db coverage and overall D play has been spotty. Cam Hart on the first TD got turned around - On his own. He did not need to pirouette. It looked cool but As soon as he did the FSU RB makes his cut and is gone. Overall, Very poor play imo from Cam Hart tonight I thought he would be a strength


So a lot to fix. Lucky to win. I thought Milton would torch us. I’m glad he did not come in sooner.

I think we can get much better and as much as I am disappointed in this performance, it’s a win and we showed character The biggest problem is the defense which was supposed to be our strength.

Our offense was solid enough but the running game needs some blocking

 

[Patrirish]

Coan is questionable ?

Are you crazy ?

He was 26 for 35 for 75 %, 366 yards and 4 TD’s with 3 easy drops.

Without the drops he’s 29 for 35 for 83 % and 400 yards

And he did it with NO RUNNING GAME !

 

[savvyandsassier]

Coan was absolute money for us. The run game/OL dynamic is I guess concerning, since fans like to get all concerned about shit. If I had to pick something as 'concerning' it would be the defense in the 4th quarter. I'm out of my depth getting to into the weeds about defensive tactical philosophies, but that three man front just wasn't getting the job done stopping the run. But there were definite positives with the defense as well.

Coan is seemingly the absolute least of our worries, and it's a huge relief he's as good as he was. He's not Dan Marino, but right out of the gate, I would say he's as good as advertised.

 

[theskibro]

Coan is questionable ?

Are you crazy ?

He was 26 for 35 for 75 %, 366 yards and 4 TD’s with 3 easy drops.

Without the drops he’s 29 for 35 for 83 % and 400 yards


And he did it with NO RUNNING GAME !

Are you dyslexic? Do you not comprehend? Corn had a good game. He also made some bad throws that killed drives and did not move the ball at all at the end of first half in his first two minute drill. He underthrew Austin etc. He was a bright spot but was far from flawless. Kelly implied as much The problem was the D and our O line that disappointed. Coan was good

 

[rivals50]

Lucky their kicker missed the FG..
horrible play for last 20 minutes of the game on both sides of the ball.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy. TheSkibro happy with win not with performance

Summary —
1- Too predictable
2- not looking like a playoff team
3- And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid He had some good moments. He also had opportunities to move the ball and made bad throws. He should get better. Overall very good first game from him he is a class act also. I do hope they get Buchner in some games this year
4- our defense is horrendous. Freeman can recruit. His coaching is still open for debate. I really, really like the aggressive approach and I like Freeman. His players let him down and he used a 3 front too much
5- Right now I am not afraid to say that Myer is overated. 2 drops. And don’t forget the Clemson game drop n his penalty that fortunately did not hurt us Now is he the best right end in the country? That is still for him to prove. He is very good. He needs to focus. Too many drops

The good, bad n ugly-
First series - Good & Bad: Predictable - Coan to Myer. Duh. Any team should be able to defense that but FSU kinda sucks so we score. This was typical 2020 Rees. Predictable. It was successful but teams should be blanketing Myer. Now I am not saying Rees is always predictable cause he showed some nice play selections tonight and I am encouraged he is being more aggressive than 2020

The good n bad - According to QB guru Kelly, Coan is very accurate. Yeah, flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. So Coan had a nice night but needs to be better

1:20 to go first half. Coan incapable of moving ball in 2 minute drill. Underthows long pass again. arm strength ???yet he had a Sensational first game with 4 tds.

The vey Bad —. This team allowed FSU to get into the game by not executing and going for the throat in Q1 and then a horrid display of defense, lack of wrapping up, over running plays, and bad pass coverage in Q4

Second half, more good n bad — —
the FSU starting QB basically is not that good and he throws a beauty of a leading bomb for a TD. Coan seemingly can’t throw deep, he underthrows 2 x then makes some nice mid range throws to Milton n Austin. And our db coverage and overall D play has been spotty. Cam Hart on the first TD got turned around - On his own. He did not need to pirouette. It looked cool but As soon as he did the FSU RB makes his cut and is gone. Overall, Very poor play imo from Cam Hart tonight I thought he would be a strength


So a lot to fix. Lucky to win. I thought Milton would torch us. I’m glad he did not come in sooner.

I think we can get much better and as much as I am disappointed in this performance, it’s a win and we showed character The biggest problem is the defense which was supposed to be our strength.

Our offense was solid enough but the running game needs some blocking

I enjoy your posts BUT---- With all due respect--
You are dead wrong . (with all due respect). Jack Coan had a record setting performance tonight in his first game ! And if Bbay Gronk did not make three easy throw drops he would have had over 400 yds passing.
He made all the deep throws that Ian did not make ! And 4 td passes !!
Milton faced a tired ND defense. If he came in early he would have got pounded--

*** The defense played great for most of the game until Marcus went into an unreal prevent defense when we were up 38 to 20.

The defense had a ton of sacks and QB hurries and Milton couldn't do anything against the Irish in OT. Milton is a GREAT feelgood story though !

Jack Coan should be praised for his incredible performance--not nitpicked by all the usual suspects.
Jack did this in an incredible rowdy away stadium. Cool as hell.

*** You guys are going to start getting how great Jack Coan is when the flashy sportscenter guys tell you that--- And it will happen. I am a visionary and college football savant-- I am always ahead of Sportscenter !

*** Phil Jercovich looked great playing Colgate. But he could not handle the pressure cooker at ND.

Good night my friend !!

 

[theskibro]

I enjoy your posts BUT---- With all due respect--
You are dead wrong . (with all due respect). Jack Coan had a record setting performance tonight in his first game ! And if Bbay Gronk did not make three easy throw drops he would have had over 400 yds passing.
He made all the deep throws that Ian did not make ! And 4 td passes !!
Milton faced a tired ND defense. If he came in early he would have got pounded--

*** The defense played great for most of the game until Marcus went into an unreal prevent defense when we were up 38 to 20.

The defense had a ton of sacks and QB hurries and Milton couldn't do anything against the Irish in OT. Milton is a GREAT feelgood story though !

Jack Coan should be praised for his incredible performance--not nitpicked by all the usual suspects.
Jack did this in an incredible rowdy away stadium. Cool as hell.

*** You guys are going to start getting how great Jack Coan is when the flashy sportscenter guys tell you that--- And it will happen. I am a visionary and college football savant-- I am always ahead of Sportscenter !

*** Phil Jercovich looked great playing Colgate. But he could not handle the pressure cooker at ND.

Good night my friend !!

You are not seeing Coans performance accurately. Even Kelly said Coan did a good job - with the caveat - for his first game

You cannot deny the flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. And not moving ball in 2 minute drill. I am not knocking Coan. He did great. But he can be better. Maybe great. He had some drops too. Agreed.

If you were told before the game that Coan would have 4 tds n pass for over 300. U would take it and be happy. I’m very happy with Coan. I’m pointing out some things he did not do and some he did well

 

[BodiTheGreat]

Are you dyslexic? Do you not comprehend? Corn had a good game. He also made some bad throws that killed drives and did not move the ball at all at the end of first half in his first two minute drill. He underthrew Austin etc. He was a bright spot but was far from flawless. Kelly implied as much it was the D and our O line that disappointed

26 out of 35 for 366 yds and 4 tds in his first game? And if Bbay Gronk did not drop 3 easy first down passes hw would have been 29 out of 35 for about 420 yds. And the running game was ok but nothing compared to last year.
And he was doing this with alot of poor pass blocking. He didn't kill drives. That wasn't all on him---Did receivers get open on all those drives he killed? Did he get good blocking on the drives he killed?

*** The guy played awesome in a very tough envirement. The Oline needs time to gell.. They did ok but have only one returning starter.
He was damn near perfect. You are just blinded by hate for him because you like the flashy new high 4 star and 5 star qb recruits---

*** If you want to place the blame on someone---blame the coaching staff for putting the players in bad positions.

*** The Georgia and Clemson and North Carolina qb's played terrible this weekend. Jack Coan poutplayed them all !!

 

[BodiTheGreat]

You are not seeing Coans performance accurately. Even Kelly said Coan did a good job - with the caveat - for his first game

So now you are losing me---You now think Brian Kelly is a QB guru? I thought you said the opposite on that. Coach speak.
26 out of 35 for 366 yds and 4 TDS speak for themselves.
Kelly coached a bad game. Jack Coan bailed him out. period.
You are talking crazy---

 

[theskibro]

26 out of 35 for 366 yds and 4 tds in his first game? And if Bbay Gronk did not drop 3 easy first down passes hw would have been 29 out of 35 for about 420 yds. And the running game was ok but nothing compared to last year.
And he was doing this with alot of poor pass blocking. He didn't kill drives. That wasn't all on him---Did receivers get open on all those drives he killed? Did he get good blocking on the drives he killed?

*** The guy played awesome in a very tough envirement. The Oline needs time to gell.. They did ok but have only one returning starter.
He was damn near perfect. You are just blinded by hate for him because you like the flashy new high 4 star and 5 star qb recruits---

*** If you want to place the blame on someone---blame the coaching staff for putting the players in bad positions.

*** The Georgia and Clemson and North Carolina qb's played terrible this weekend. Jack Coan poutplayed them all !!

We clearly do not see things the same. I gave u examples of a lack of execution by Coan that was all on Coan.

He had to deal with many things that u cited. But he had open receivers in my examples and did not get them the ball

I am very happy with Coan. He did great.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

26 out of 35 for 366 yds and 4 TDs and a victory.

And that is just his first damn game with the Irish. You are going to see alot more... You can't see how accurate he is. And he cant go 35 out of 35. No one is perfect.

 

[theskibro]

26 out of 35 for 366 yds and 4 TDs and a victory.

And that is just his first damn game with the Irish. You are going to see alot more... You can't see how accurate he is. And he cant go 35 out of 35. No one is perfect.

True and u r still my fave

 

[4-4-3]

Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy. TheSkibro happy with win not with performance

Summary —
1- Too predictable
2- not looking like a playoff team
3- And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid He had some good moments. He also had opportunities to move the ball and made bad throws. He should get better. Overall very good first game from him he is a class act also. I do hope they get Buchner in some games this year
4- our defense is horrendous. Freeman can recruit. His coaching is still open for debate. I really, really like the aggressive approach and I like Freeman. His players let him down and he used a 3 front too much
5- Right now I am not afraid to say that Myer is overated. 2 drops. And don’t forget the Clemson game drop n his penalty that fortunately did not hurt us Now is he the best right end in the country? That is still for him to prove. He is very good. He needs to focus. Too many drops

The good, bad n ugly-
First series - Good & Bad: Predictable - Coan to Myer. Duh. Any team should be able to defense that but FSU kinda sucks so we score. This was typical 2020 Rees. Predictable. It was successful but teams should be blanketing Myer. Now I am not saying Rees is always predictable cause he showed some nice play selections tonight and I am encouraged he is being more aggressive than 2020

The good n bad - According to QB guru Kelly, Coan is very accurate. Yeah, flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. So Coan had a nice night but needs to be better

1:20 to go first half. Coan incapable of moving ball in 2 minute drill. Underthows long pass again. arm strength ???yet he had a Sensational first game with 4 tds.

The vey Bad —. This team allowed FSU to get into the game by not executing and going for the throat in Q1 and then a horrid display of defense, lack of wrapping up, over running plays, and bad pass coverage in Q4

Second half, more good n bad — —
the FSU starting QB basically is not that good and he throws a beauty of a leading bomb for a TD. Coan seemingly can’t throw deep, he underthrows 2 x then makes some nice mid range throws to Milton n Austin. And our db coverage and overall D play has been spotty. Cam Hart on the first TD got turned around - On his own. He did not need to pirouette. It looked cool but As soon as he did the FSU RB makes his cut and is gone. Overall, Very poor play imo from Cam Hart tonight I thought he would be a strength


So a lot to fix. Lucky to win. I thought Milton would torch us. I’m glad he did not come in sooner.

I think we can get much better and as much as I am disappointed in this performance, it’s a win and we showed character The biggest problem is the defense which was supposed to be our strength.

Our offense was solid enough but the running game needs some blockin

Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy. TheSkibro happy with win not with performance

Summary —
1- Too predictable
2- not looking like a playoff team
3- And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid He had some good moments. He also had opportunities to move the ball and made bad throws. He should get better. Overall very good first game from him he is a class act also. I do hope they get Buchner in some games this year
4- our defense is horrendous. Freeman can recruit. His coaching is still open for debate. I really, really like the aggressive approach and I like Freeman. His players let him down and he used a 3 front too much
5- Right now I am not afraid to say that Myer is overated. 2 drops. And don’t forget the Clemson game drop n his penalty that fortunately did not hurt us Now is he the best right end in the country? That is still for him to prove. He is very good. He needs to focus. Too many drops

The good, bad n ugly-
First series - Good & Bad: Predictable - Coan to Myer. Duh. Any team should be able to defense that but FSU kinda sucks so we score. This was typical 2020 Rees. Predictable. It was successful but teams should be blanketing Myer. Now I am not saying Rees is always predictable cause he showed some nice play selections tonight and I am encouraged he is being more aggressive than 2020

The good n bad - According to QB guru Kelly, Coan is very accurate. Yeah, flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. So Coan had a nice night but needs to be better

1:20 to go first half. Coan incapable of moving ball in 2 minute drill. Underthows long pass again. arm strength ???yet he had a Sensational first game with 4 tds.

The vey Bad —. This team allowed FSU to get into the game by not executing and going for the throat in Q1 and then a horrid display of defense, lack of wrapping up, over running plays, and bad pass coverage in Q4

Second half, more good n bad — —
the FSU starting QB basically is not that good and he throws a beauty of a leading bomb for a TD. Coan seemingly can’t throw deep, he underthrows 2 x then makes some nice mid range throws to Milton n Austin. And our db coverage and overall D play has been spotty. Cam Hart on the first TD got turned around - On his own. He did not need to pirouette. It looked cool but As soon as he did the FSU RB makes his cut and is gone. Overall, Very poor play imo from Cam Hart tonight I thought he would be a strength


So a lot to fix. Lucky to win. I thought Milton would torch us. I’m glad he did not come in sooner.

I think we can get much better and as much as I am disappointed in this performance, it’s a win and we showed character The biggest problem is the defense which was supposed to be our strength.

Our offense was solid enough but the running game needs some blocking

Fair points.

Random impressions as they’re surfacing from this precinct . . .

Coan is a prototypical drop-back passer. With enough protection, he can put the ball anywhere it needs to go on the field. Tonight, he underthrew, short-armed and steered the ball at times. That all needs eliminating. Yet, key completions are key completions; and 4TD’s, 4TD’s.

Mayer is overrated as a receiver. He drops balls. Doesn’t look the ball in and turns up-field before he’s finished the catch. That needs eliminating.

The OL opened ZERO running lanes. That MUST be fixed.

Where was Avery Davis? Everyone loves Avery Davis for having migrated through four positions, but will he make a decisive contribution? I hope so.

ND let FSU back into the game twice. In the first quarter through omission by failing to convert short yardage situations and in the 3rd and 4th quarters by switching prematurely to a PREVENT DEFENSE.

The new D coordinator – Gary Darnell – I mean, Jon Tenuta – I mean, Brian VanGorder – oh, I’m sorry, I REALLY MEAN the man recently crowned the NEXT BIG THING in college football coaching, MARCUS FREEMAN – just like those other aforementioned guys – LAID A BIG OSTRICH EGG.

The guy strikes me as a PITCHMAN/MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER, i.e. “college football recruiter” but not someone with a particularly ANALYTICAL MIND. That guy was LEA and he’s gone.

I mean, that was one shambles of a defensive battle plan that almost cost ND the game. Unsound, indecisive and grab-baggy. Almost as schoolyard as FSU’s starring QB.

AND KELLY WHO, BTW, IS NOT SCHOOLYARD SURE KNOWS IT.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

True and u r still my fave

I hope to see Buchner in action in the game against Toledo. He is our future. And you know more about him then I do. I don't follow recruiting like I used too.
You are the man skibro--- You are a true old school Irish fan who wants perfection and the Irish to beat the big boys like Lou and Ara used to do.
I am not worthy.. You are a GREAT Irish fan and expect more !

 

[NotreDomer1]

Coan is questionable ?

Are you crazy ?

He was 26 for 35 for 75 %, 366 yards and 4 TD’s with 3 easy drops.

Without the drops he’s 29 for 35 for 83 % and 400 yards

And he did it with NO RUNNING GAME !

I thought he struggled in the first half a bit after the first drive. Moved into pressure up front and lost the handle a few times. His throws were a tad late and short.

In the 2nd half, he was tremendous

 

[theskibro]

Fair points.

Random impressions as they’re surface from this precinct . . .

Coan is a prototypical drop-back passer. With enough protection, he can put the ball anywhere it needs to go on the field. Tonight, he underthrew, short-armed and steered the ball at times. That all needs eliminating. Yet, key completions are key completions; and 4TD’s, 4TD’s.

Mayer is overrated as a receiver. He drops balls. Doesn’t look the ball in and turns up-field before he’s finished the catch. That needs eliminating.

The OL opened ZERO running lanes. That MUST be fixed.

Where was Avery Davis? Everyone loves Avery Davis for having migrated through four positions, but will he make a decisive contribution? I hope so.

ND let FSU back into the game twice. In the first quarter through omission by failing to convert short yardage situations and in the 3rd and 4th quarters by switching prematurely to a PREVENT DEFENSE.

The new D coordinator – Gary Darnell – I mean, Jon Tenuta – I mean, Brian VanGorder – oh, I’m sorry, I REALLY MEAN the man recently crowned the NEXT BIG THING in college football coaching, MARCUS FREEMAN – just like those other aforementioned guys – LAID A BIG OSTRICH EGG.

The guy strikes me as a PITCHMAN/MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER, i.e. “college football recruiter” but not someone with a particularly ANALYTICAL MIND. That guy was LEA and he’s gone.

I mean, that was one shambles of a defensive battle plan that almost cost ND the game. Unsound, indecisive and grab-baggy. Almost as schoolyard as FSU’s starring QB.

AND KELLY WHO, BTW, IS NOT SCHOOLYARD SURE KNOWS IT.

Excellent post. Only thing I would say is it’s early to get down on Freeman. We have to realize his players did not execute. It wasn’t Freeman but Cam Hart who allowed the 86 yard run and long TD pass

It wasn’t freeman who missed tackles n could not wrap up.

I like his aggressiveness. Not sure we have the shut down cb we need in his system

 

[theskibro]

I hope to see Buchner in action in the game against Toledo. He is our future. And you know more about him then I do. I don't follow recruiting like I used too.
You are the man skibro--- You are a true old school Irish fan who wants perfection and the Irish to beat the big boys like Lou and Ara used to do.
I am not worthy.. You are a GREAT Irish fan and expect more !

U r too kind Bodester. U r right about me n perfection n the old days. What can I say? I love the boys and want the best for ND

 

[NotreDomer1]

U r too kind Bodester. U r right about me n perfection n the old days. What can I say? I love the boys and want the best for ND

you two need a room?

j/k

 

[mirer03]

Excellent post. Only thing I would say is it’s early to get down on Freeman. We have to realize his players did not execute. It wasn’t Freeman but Cam Hart who allowed the 86 yard run and long TD pass

It wasn’t freeman who missed tackles n could not wrap up.

I like his aggressiveness. Not sure we have the shut down cb we need in his system

We are three cornerbacks short of what we need. Cornerback depth is, was, and has been our biggest Achilles heal for years.

 

[theskibro]

you two need a room?

j/k

2 funny. It’s a special relationship but any affection is based on respect.

 

[NotreDomer1]

2 funny. It’s a special relationship but any affection is based on respect.

I’m just playing brother. All good

and for Bodi,
Semper Fi Devildog

 

[Patrirish]

Are you dyslexic? Do you not comprehend? Corn had a good game. He also made some bad throws that killed drives and did not move the ball at all at the end of first half in his first two minute drill. He underthrew Austin etc. He was a bright spot but was far from flawless. Kelly implied as much The problem was the D and our O line that disappointed. Coan was good

THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID !

YOU STATED THAT COAN WAS “ QUESTIONABLE”

Coan was essentially 29 for 35, for 83 %, 400 yards and 4 TD’s

And you labeled him “questionable”

He essentially missed only 6 passes and you call him “questionable”

He was terrific, hitting deep TD throws.

EVERY QB IN THE NFL UNDERTHROWS RECEIVERS !

That’s your criticism of his performance tonight, he underthrew Austin on one of only 6 incompletions ?

OH, NOW HE HAS TO BE FLAWLESS.

TELL US, WHAT QB is flawless and in what game were they flawless

save us your nonsense and just admit you were wrong to label Coan as “questionable“

Thanks

 

[Patrirish]

I thought he struggled in the first half a bit after the first drive. Moved into pressure up front and lost the handle a few times. His throws were a tad late and short.

In the 2nd half, he was tremendous

Look at his stats and throw in the dropped passes that should have been caught.

Coan performed extremely well, far beyond expectations!

 

[theskibro]

THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID !

YOU STATED THAT COAN WAS “ QUESTIONABLE”

Coan was essentially 29 for 35, for 83 %, 400 yards and 4 TD’s

And you labeled him “questionable”

He essentially missed only 6 passes and you call him “questionable”

He was terrific, hitting deep TD throws.

EVERY QB IN THE NFL UNDERTHROWS RECEIVERS !

That’s your criticism of his performance tonight, he underthrew Austin on one of only 6 incompletions ?

OH, NOW HE HAS TO BE FLAWLESS.

TELL US, WHAT QB is flawless and in what game were they flawless

save us your nonsense and just admit you were wrong to label Coan as “questionable“

Thanks

No, you admit you can’t read and can’t comprehend. People like u piss me off.

Here is exactly what I said, look it up
“ And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid “. If you know anything about this board you would know I’ve questioned Coan abilities per season. And that is what I said above - that I have always maintained Coan is questionable. But then I say I eat crow cause he was solid tonight. What is hard to understand about that? Don’t be so quick to jump someone’s bones unless you read and understand It’s a waste of time

 

[4-4-3]

I thought he struggled in the first half a bit after the first drive. Moved into pressure up front and lost the handle a few times. His throws were a tad late and short.

In the 2nd half, he was tremendous

Yes, he settled into the game. Kelly had some serious words with him at one point in the first half. There was that shot of them on the sidelines.

I thought Coan then nicely stepped up his game.

 

[NotreDomer1]

Look at his stats and throw in the dropped passes that should have been caught.

Coan performed extremely well, far beyond expectations!

Im not disagreeing with you. I sure can’t expect perfection from him. I’m just saying there was a portion of the first half where he seemed to be struggling a bit. I thought overall he played very well.

 

[4-4-3]

Excellent post. Only thing I would say is it’s early to get down on Freeman. We have to realize his players did not execute. It wasn’t Freeman but Cam Hart who allowed the 86 yard run and long TD pass

It wasn’t freeman who missed tackles n could not wrap up.

I like his aggressiveness. Not sure we have the shut down cb we need in his system

No question he's not out on the field missing those tackles. But then, who's in charge of teaching tackling? It's as much a part of coaching as scheming.

There's no substitute for well trained troops in battle, and it's often they who survive first contact with the enemy and not battle plans. I consider the poor tackling as much on Freeman as the questionable scheming.

As for his aggressiveness, D's like his have never worked at ND due to ND's relative lack of speed. The guys who've succeeded have all been break-but don't-bend-types. Yonto, Alvarez, Minter, Davie to a degree, Diaco, Lea. The hot shot, BRING IT, BABY types -- Darnell, Tenuta, and VanG all pretty much disappointed.

I'm worried Freeman may turn out to belong to the second category.

But, of course, it's only one game. Let's see what happens against Wisconsin. And I'm sure Kelly will have input here. He can't have been happy with that performance. That wasn't even CLOSE to top-flight level defense.

 

[tbonesays]

We found out we are whom we thought we are. Just another B team who will not challenge any of the national title contenders.

 

[Ara64]

You ever notice how when games start out with a quick score it turns into a slobber knocker. After the quick score I went from happy to dread after the second procession. I knew what was coming but I had complete convection that ND would win. That's all I care about fellas and gals. We have to win period. I would turn on my sweet mom if ND loses. I won't on my wife--she would clobber me and take away ND football. She's tough Irish Fans.

 

[lyonhawk]

Houston Griffith gave up the TD pass, not Hart. He was man to man against a slot receiver with only a single high safety. Slot was on a fade, one of the toughest situations for a safety to have to cover man to man.

 

[Telx1]

Sure it’s a win. Kelly not Happy. TheSkibro happy with win not with performance

Summary —
1- Too predictable
2- not looking like a playoff team
3- And I have always maintained, Coan is questionable but I eat some crow because he was pretty solid He had some good moments. He also had opportunities to move the ball and made bad throws. He should get better. Overall very good first game from him he is a class act also. I do hope they get Buchner in some games this year
4- our defense is horrendous. Freeman can recruit. His coaching is still open for debate. I really, really like the aggressive approach and I like Freeman. His players let him down and he used a 3 front too much
5- Right now I am not afraid to say that Myer is overated. 2 drops. And don’t forget the Clemson game drop n his penalty that fortunately did not hurt us Now is he the best right end in the country? That is still for him to prove. He is very good. He needs to focus. Too many drops

The good, bad n ugly-
First series - Good & Bad: Predictable - Coan to Myer. Duh. Any team should be able to defense that but FSU kinda sucks so we score. This was typical 2020 Rees. Predictable. It was successful but teams should be blanketing Myer. Now I am not saying Rees is always predictable cause he showed some nice play selections tonight and I am encouraged he is being more aggressive than 2020

The good n bad - According to QB guru Kelly, Coan is very accurate. Yeah, flee flicker underthrow to Austin. Then short underthrown pass to Kyren for no first down. So Coan had a nice night but needs to be better

1:20 to go first half. Coan incapable of moving ball in 2 minute drill. Underthows long pass again. arm strength ???yet he had a Sensational first game with 4 tds.

The vey Bad —. This team allowed FSU to get into the game by not executing and going for the throat in Q1 and then a horrid display of defense, lack of wrapping up, over running plays, and bad pass coverage in Q4

Second half, more good n bad — —
the FSU starting QB basically is not that good and he throws a beauty of a leading bomb for a TD. Coan seemingly can’t throw deep, he underthrows 2 x then makes some nice mid range throws to Milton n Austin. And our db coverage and overall D play has been spotty. Cam Hart on the first TD got turned around - On his own. He did not need to pirouette. It looked cool but As soon as he did the FSU RB makes his cut and is gone. Overall, Very poor play imo from Cam Hart tonight I thought he would be a strength


So a lot to fix. Lucky to win. I thought Milton would torch us. I’m glad he did not come in sooner.

I think we can get much better and as much as I am disappointed in this performance, it’s a win and we showed character The biggest problem is the defense which was supposed to be our strength.

Our offense was solid enough but the running game needs some blocking

Good morning Ski…I don’t read or post any more during the game or shortly thereafter. Too much emotion expressing too many absolutes, etc…. Read your post here, and thought it interesting.

Your comments about Coan are provocative for sure. Yes, he underthrew a few passes, a couple on critical downs; but otherwise he played a great game. Perfection is the goal, so finding fault with a few throws is OK, but only in the context of recognizing that his overall performance was really excellent! Didn’t get that vibe from you.

Several weeks ago I posted that there were questions about this team that needed to be answered before crowning them NC contenders. First and foremost was whether this OL will prove to be elite, and how long it will take for them to play as a coordinated unit. Based on last night’s game, this remains an area of concern. I fully expected some hiccups with pass blocking, and Coan was definitely under pressure; but I really expected good rushing OL play, and we sure didn’t get this. We all appreciated the role TT played in our running schemes last year, and his blocking was sorely missed.

I loved the aggressive play of our defense, and the pressure we brought the first three quarters of the game. I lost count of the missed sacks and missed tackles for a loss from our pathetic Tackling. Last night did bring back bad memories of how we played under BVG…the poor tackling in particular. No way Kelly doesn’t chew on Freeman about this.

Kelly wanted to eat up time off the clock with the comfortable 18 point lead, but his offense couldn’t deliver; and our conservative three man front on defense the last quarter was terrible. I think our guys didn’t handle the heat and humidity well, and we were slow and dragging that fourth quarter, and FSU was able to overcome the same because they caught some momentum.

I’m not at home and so no recording of the game. I always enjoy watching the game a second time and replaying some plays to concentrate on different players and positions. Absent this, I’d love to hear people’s views of how Madden and Zeke played on the OL. Losing Blake hurt as Carmody struggled a few times, but expected both Zeke and Madden to show well, especially in the running game.

Contrary to lots of posts here, I thought Rees called a good game. Loved the fact we actually executed a successful screen play, as well as a few successful draws. The pass plays were for the most part excellent, and it was exciting to see Coan successfully go deep on a couple critical short yardage third downs. The one series where we ran Coan on third down was a terrible series of calls by Rees. We look predictable when we can’t run the damn ball, and that’s on the OL!

Overall, it’s one of those games that we Should have won by a comfortable margin, and yet lucky to have won. Really challenging environment for a first game, and we missed multiple opportunities to take the crowd out of the game. Just relieved to get out with a win. Toledo better be a good opportunity to work on a lot of areas needing improvement, with OL play and Tackling being the most important.

 

[ndnd]

Excellent post. Only thing I would say is it’s early to get down on Freeman. We have to realize his players did not execute. It wasn’t Freeman but Cam Hart who allowed the 86 yard run and long TD pass

It wasn’t freeman who missed tackles n could not wrap up.

I like his aggressiveness. Not sure we have the shut down cb we need in his system

Freeman deserves some criticism for changing to a new 3/3/5 defense prevent defense and then he stayed with it far too long . This defense takes our best pass rushers out of the game and relies on linebackers and corners not the strength of our d
I would give Freeman a D minus for coaching last night

 

[theskibro]

Good morning Ski…I don’t read or post any more during the game or shortly thereafter. Too much emotion expressing too many absolutes, etc…. Read your post here, and thought it interesting.

Your comments about Coan are provocative for sure. Yes, he underthrew a few passes, a couple on critical downs; but otherwise he played a great game. Perfection is the goal, so finding fault with a few throws is OK, but only in the context of recognizing that his overall performance was really excellent! Didn’t get that vibe from you.

Several weeks ago I posted that there were questions about this team that needed to be answered before crowning them NC contenders. First and foremost was whether this OL will prove to be elite, and how long it will take for them to play as a coordinated unit. Based on last night’s game, this remains an area of concern. I fully expected some hiccups with pass blocking, and Coan was definitely under pressure; but I really expected good rushing OL play, and we sure didn’t get this. We all appreciated the role TT played in our running schemes last year, and his blocking was sorely missed.

I loved the aggressive play of our defense, and the pressure we brought the first three quarters of the game. I lost count of the missed sacks and missed tackles for a loss from our pathetic Tackling. Last night did bring back bad memories of how we played under BVG…the poor tackling in particular. No way Kelly doesn’t chew on Freeman about this.

Kelly wanted to eat up time off the clock with the comfortable 18 point lead, but his offense couldn’t deliver; and our conservative three man front on defense the last quarter was terrible. I think our guys didn’t handle the heat and humidity well, and we were slow and dragging that fourth quarter, and FSU was able to overcome the same because they caught some momentum.

I’m not at home and so no recording of the game. I always enjoy watching the game a second time and replaying some plays to concentrate on different players and positions. Absent this, I’d love to hear people’s views of how Madden and Zeke played on the OL. Losing Blake hurt as Carmody struggled a few times, but expected both Zeke and Madden to show well, especially in the running game.

Contrary to lots of posts here, I thought Rees called a good game. Loved the fact we actually executed a successful screen play, as well as a few successful draws. The pass plays were for the most part excellent, and it was exciting to see Coan successfully go deep on a couple critical short yardage third downs. The one series where we ran Coan on third down was a terrible series of calls by Rees. We look predictable when we can’t run the damn ball, and that’s on the OL!

Overall, it’s one of those games that we Should have won by a comfortable margin, and yet lucky to have won. Really challenging environment for a first game, and we missed multiple opportunities to take the crowd out of the game. Just relieved to get out with a win. Toledo better be a good opportunity to work on a lot of areas needing improvement, with OL play and Tackling being the most important.

Yes to your summary. On point. My Coan vibe was meant to be positive I am impressed with his first game. What I have trouble with is some of his misfires. The two underthrown balls. That flea flicker could have broke the game open Austin had a step. But almost intercepted. You’ve got to lead that throw
And the throw go kyren when he bobbled then caught the ball but came up short of first down. Again that’s on Coan. Both of these plays would have kept drives going and not let FSU back in the game

But he was solid n I’m happy with him

 

[NotreDomer1]

Good morning Ski…I don’t read or post any more during the game or shortly thereafter. Too much emotion expressing too many absolutes, etc…. Read your post here, and thought it interesting.

Your comments about Coan are provocative for sure. Yes, he underthrew a few passes, a couple on critical downs; but otherwise he played a great game. Perfection is the goal, so finding fault with a few throws is OK, but only in the context of recognizing that his overall performance was really excellent! Didn’t get that vibe from you.

Several weeks ago I posted that there were questions about this team that needed to be answered before crowning them NC contenders. First and foremost was whether this OL will prove to be elite, and how long it will take for them to play as a coordinated unit. Based on last night’s game, this remains an area of concern. I fully expected some hiccups with pass blocking, and Coan was definitely under pressure; but I really expected good rushing OL play, and we sure didn’t get this. We all appreciated the role TT played in our running schemes last year, and his blocking was sorely missed.

I loved the aggressive play of our defense, and the pressure we brought the first three quarters of the game. I lost count of the missed sacks and missed tackles for a loss from our pathetic Tackling. Last night did bring back bad memories of how we played under BVG…the poor tackling in particular. No way Kelly doesn’t chew on Freeman about this.

Kelly wanted to eat up time off the clock with the comfortable 18 point lead, but his offense couldn’t deliver; and our conservative three man front on defense the last quarter was terrible. I think our guys didn’t handle the heat and humidity well, and we were slow and dragging that fourth quarter, and FSU was able to overcome the same because they caught some momentum.

I’m not at home and so no recording of the game. I always enjoy watching the game a second time and replaying some plays to concentrate on different players and positions. Absent this, I’d love to hear people’s views of how Madden and Zeke played on the OL. Losing Blake hurt as Carmody struggled a few times, but expected both Zeke and Madden to show well, especially in the running game.

Contrary to lots of posts here, I thought Rees called a good game. Loved the fact we actually executed a successful screen play, as well as a few successful draws. The pass plays were for the most part excellent, and it was exciting to see Coan successfully go deep on a couple critical short yardage third downs. The one series where we ran Coan on third down was a terrible series of calls by Rees. We look predictable when we can’t run the damn ball, and that’s on the OL!

Overall, it’s one of those games that we Should have won by a comfortable margin, and yet lucky to have won. Really challenging environment for a first game, and we missed multiple opportunities to take the crowd out of the game. Just relieved to get out with a win. Toledo better be a good opportunity to work on a lot of areas needing improvement, with OL play and Tackling being the most important.

Here you go Telx(condensed game)

 

[rgc7]

Coan is questionable ?

Are you crazy ?

He was 26 for 35 for 75 %, 366 yards and 4 TD’s with 3 easy drops.

Without the drops he’s 29 for 35 for 83 % and 400 yards

And he did it with NO RUNNING GAME !

There were two things that I did not like about our
offense. As you also pointed out, we had no running game, and , therefore, were too one dimensional. Coan look good in the passing game,
but is not very mobile and seems to go down pretty easily when tackled. I also feel that the Luck of the Irish was with us last night !FS had all the momentum with them until that over time
bad Snap , and the missed field goal. I agree with
Coach Kelly. The team has a lot of work to do to get better.

 

[theskibro]

There were two things that I did not like about our
offense. As you also pointed out, we had no running game, and , therefore, were too one dimensional. Coan look good in the passing game,
but is not very mobile and seems to go down pretty easily when tackled. I also feel that the Luck of the Irish was with us last night !FS had all the momentum with them until that over time
bad Snap , and the missed field goal. I agree with
Coach Kelly. The team has a lot of work to do to get better.

RG7 !!! Where u been?

 

[burmafrd1943]

Are you dyslexic? Do you not comprehend? Corn had a good game. He also made some bad throws that killed drives and did not move the ball at all at the end of first half in his first two minute drill. He underthrew Austin etc. He was a bright spot but was far from flawless. Kelly implied as much The problem was the D and our O line that disappointed. Coan was good

you say he was good and THEN you try and pick him apart so as to support your original claim he is garbage.

You mouth something but clearly do not believe your own words

 

[theskibro]

you say he was good and THEN you try and pick him apart so as to support your original claim he is garbage.

You mouth something but clearly do not believe your own words

Another dumb wit Read. Maybe you can get a real job

 

[Telx1]

Here you go Telx(condensed game)

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Thank you NotreDomer1! Just finished watching. Thought both Zeke and Madden did pretty well in pass blocking. They’re short and compact and they did really good in getting under the pad level and standing their opposing guys up. I thought Zeke was weak on run blocking. He doesn’t seem big enough or strong enough to knock his opposing player back off the line of scrimmage. He was much better when pulling. Madden surprised me with better than I expected pass blocking. His run Blocking was below average, and on par with the rest of the OL. He did show some power at initial point of contact and he did get to the second level of defense on occasion, but hardly the stuff of preseason All American consideration. I’d still like to see better size at the left guard position. Carmody missed a couple key blocks when he came in for Blake, but he did show some attitude and power. I haven’t been a fan of Zeke at LG from the day it was announced, so I’m seeing these plays through my biased lens. And my biased lens wants to see some combination of Blake or Rocco or Carmody or Kristofic as our two behemoths on the left side.

 

[NotreDomer1]

Thank you NotreDomer1! Just finished watching. Thought both Zeke and Madden did pretty well in pass blocking. They’re short and compact and they did really good in getting under the pad level and standing their opposing guys up. I thought Zeke was weak on run blocking. He doesn’t seem big enough or strong enough to knock his opposing player back off the line of scrimmage. He was much better when pulling. Madden surprised me with better than I expected pass blocking. His run Blocking was below average, and on par with the rest of the OL. He did show some power at initial point of contact and he did get to the second level of defense on occasion, but hardly the stuff of preseason All American consideration. I’d still like to see better size at the left guard position. Carmody missed a couple key blocks when he came in for Blake, but he did show some attitude and power. I haven’t been a fan of Zeke at LG from the day it was announced, so I’m seeing these plays through my biased lens. And my biased lens wants to see some combination of Blake or Rocco or Carmody or Kristofic as our two behemoths on the left side.

You’re very welcome brother!