Stop calling college athletes kids!

[scubastevefl]

I’m referencing posts in other threads.

They are adults who are now multi-millionaire professional athletes.

In some cases pushing 30 years old and playing for 9 years.

They are old enough to go to war, buy a gun, smoke, drink everywhere except the USA.

I’m sick of posters saying college athletes can’t be criticized because “their kids” they are young adults, yes they are young but they are ADULTS. With the exception of the occasional 17 year old.

 

[sjb75]

"they're kids..."

 

[burmafrd1943]

"they're kids..."

as usual you are wrong. After age 18 you are considered an adult.. After age 21 you can smoke and drink and do everything else.
if you are old enough to vote and join the military, then you are an adult

 

[Irish Duck]

Science holds that a person's brain isn't fully developed until about age 25 (obviously varying from person to person and by gender) These young men may be professional athletes and legally able to drink, smoke, and go to war, but they are still kids as far as I'm concerned. That is why when they make stupid mistakes or act immaturely, it is all about brain development (as well as family and social structures). Cut them some slack and don't hold them to the same standards you would for a 30 y.o. man. Hell, we have some 80 y.o. men still in positions of power that have difficulty making the right decisions.

 

[raulduke_007]

You made it to the big time. Nice work sport! 😂

 

[savvyandsassier]

I’m referencing posts in other threads.

They are adults who are now multi-millionaire professional athletes.

In some cases pushing 30 years old and playing for 9 years.

They are old enough to go to war, buy a gun, smoke, drink everywhere except the USA.

I’m sick of posters saying college athletes can’t be criticized because “their kids” they are young adults, yes they are young but they are ADULTS. With the exception of the occasional 17 year old.

Who the F is saying CFB players can't be criticized? I think that's pretty much universally established that they can and are routinely. And you become an adult biologically when you hit puberty, with occasional continued physical growth, up until your early twenties, as an exception to the usual rule. Age 18 just being a largely meaningless social convention. That's the age when you can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and your parents lose any special powers over you to restrict your freedoms and civil rights and whatnot.

Is anyone actually pushing 30 years old, like 29? There's that one dude from Bend, Oregon, who managed to nurse 4 years of eligibility over 9 seasons. And then the QB from Utah, who pretty much already looked like he as 30 when we a freshman, so it's fitting for him, and he deserved to be able to play that long.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Science holds that a person's brain isn't fully developed until about age 25 (obviously varying from person to person and by gender) These young men may be professional athletes and legally able to drink, smoke, and go to war, but they are still kids as far as I'm concerned. That is why when they make stupid mistakes or act immaturely, it is all about brain development (as well as family and social structures). Cut them some slack and don't hold them to the same standards you would for a 30 y.o. man. Hell, we have some 80 y.o. men still in positions of power that have difficulty making the right decisions.

I don't think it's about organic, physical brain development, nor are there any particular implications to be highlighted, with respect to behavior or ability. That's just pop science fluff. The brain doesn't stop growing until you're 25, man! So give these kids a break. Young people typically just don't know shit, and are very poorly prepared for adult life, with pretty much regimented formal education being the extent of their post-puberty experience and training, as well as the largely socially unsupervised HS years, and so naturally they might get a little effed up, and be prone to shitty behavior. That's a given. After all, Albert Einstein released the special theory of relativity and had his 'magical year' or whatnot where he produced four seminal physics papers working out of his home office when he was 25. Bob Dylan produced the great 'Highway 61 revisited' record, and pretty much had recorded and composed all his landmark songs and lyrics all by 25 or younger that eventually won him the Nobel. Alexander the Great, well you know what he did. When he was like, 16. Mozart. The list goes on, and it really does.

So yeah, sure, the brain is not quite finished physically growing, but the effects on one's behavior and mental state is probably trivial or irrelevant. 'Nurture' so to speak, being far, far more important than nature, and it's what you actually do and learn about, the wisdom you might glean and the habits your form and the like, and the people you emulate and the particular milieus that surround and influence you, and not the physical apparatus of your brain that matters, as a young adult. Modern society has just become alarmingly effete and irresponsible in all kinds of myriad ways. And is always looking for excuses for their negligence.

They do say you shouldn't smoke a ton of weed until your brain is totally done growing, and that too much might stunt the physical development of your brain or something. But once you're safely past the 25 year old cutoff smoke all the weed you want, and know you're safe! Obviously that's just a good rule of thumb, and not really understood at all, and could be totally wrong. Anything involving the brain is basically not understood at all, at least not on a terribly significant technical level.

 

[Irish Duck]

I don't think it's about organic, physical brain development, nor are there any particular implications to be highlighted, with respect to behavior or ability. That's just pop science fluff. The brain doesn't stop growing until you're 25, man! So give these kids a break. Young people typically just don't know shit, and are very poorly prepared for adult life, with pretty much regimented formal education being the extent of their post-puberty experience and training, as well as the largely socially unsupervised HS years, and so naturally they might get a little effed up, and be prone to shitty behavior. That's a given. After all, Albert Einstein released the special theory of relativity and had his 'magical year' or whatnot where he produced four seminal physics papers working out of his home office when he was 25. Bob Dylan produced the great 'Highway 61 revisited' record, and pretty much had recorded and composed all his landmark songs and lyrics all by 25 or younger that eventually won him the Nobel. Alexander the Great, well you know what he did. When he was like, 16. Mozart. The list goes on, and it really does.

So yeah, sure, the brain is not quite finished physically growing, but the effects on one's behavior and mental state is probably trivial or irrelevant. 'Nurture' so to speak, being far, far more important than nature, and it's what you actually do and learn about, the wisdom you might glean and the habits your form and the like, and the people you emulate and the particular milieus that surround and influence you, and not the physical apparatus of your brain that matters, as a young adult. Modern society has just become alarmingly effete and irresponsible in all kinds of myriad ways. And is always looking for excuses for their negligence.

They do say you shouldn't smoke a ton of weed until your brain is totally done growing, and that too much might stunt the physical development of your brain or something. But once you're safely past the 25 year old cutoff smoke all the weed you want, and know you're safe! Obviously that's just a good rule of thumb, and not really understood at all, and could be totally wrong. Anything involving the brain is basically not understood at all, at least not on a terribly significant technical level.

To clarify, it's not about the brain "growing." It's about the brain developing which means that the synapses have completed their development and connections. This is not "pop science fluff" unless, of course, you're one of those who believes that your opinions are the same as established facts. The state of development of the brain results in kids taking risks that older adults would not; it means that they aren't fully able to analyze options and make weighted decisions. There will always be outliers who either develop really early, i.e., Mozart, Einstein, etc., and those who develop much later (I won't name names but we all know people in their late 20s, 30s and even older who seem incredibly immature).

There are certainly societal factors and I have no suggestions as to how to fix that. People should recognize the concept of personal responsibility and I think most people do. We can blame parents for not teaching that concept to their kids and/or setting poor examples for them. We can blame coaches, trainers, administrators, sponsors, etc. for coddling these kids and that is certainly part of the problem.

At the end of the day, the athletes between 17 - 25 are still kids. Some will turn out to be great adults who learned from their youthful mistakes. Others will turn out to be horrible adults who don't learn and keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Of course, there are also going to be a fair amount of these people who fall subject to diseases such as drug abuse and alcoholism. What ever they are...they are humans, they are fallible, and they will make mistakes. Cut them some slack.

 

[Patrish]

I’m referencing posts in other threads.

They are adults who are now multi-millionaire professional athletes.

In some cases pushing 30 years old and playing for 9 years.

They are old enough to go to war, buy a gun, smoke, drink everywhere except the USA.

I’m sick of posters saying college athletes can’t be criticized because “their kids” they are young adults, yes they are young but they are ADULTS. With the exception of the occasional 17 year old.

They are not adults, they’re 18, 19 and 20 year-old kids who need guidance

 

[Patrish]

as usual you are wrong. After age 18 you are considered an adult.. After age 21 you can smoke and drink and do everything else.
if you are old enough to vote and join the military, then you are an adult

Nope !

Depends what State you live in, and in Indiana it’s 21

 

[Patrish]

I don't think it's about organic, physical brain development, nor are there any particular implications to be highlighted, with respect to behavior or ability. That's just pop science fluff. The brain doesn't stop growing until you're 25, man!

Yes, but in your case, your brain stopped growing at 12 ! 😜😜😜

So give these kids a break. Young people typically just don't know shit, and are very poorly prepared for adult life, with pretty much regimented formal education being the extent of their post-puberty experience and training, as well as the largely socially unsupervised HS years, and so naturally they might get a little effed up, and be prone to shitty behavior. That's a given. After all, Albert Einstein released the special theory of relativity and had his 'magical year' or whatnot where he produced four seminal physics papers working out of his home office when he was 25. Bob Dylan produced the great 'Highway 61 revisited' record, and pretty much had recorded and composed all his landmark songs and lyrics all by 25 or younger that eventually won him the Nobel. Alexander the Great, well you know what he did. When he was like, 16. Mozart. The list goes on, and it really does.

So yeah, sure, the brain is not quite finished physically growing, but the effects on one's behavior and mental state is probably trivial or irrelevant. 'Nurture' so to speak, being far, far more important than nature, and it's what you actually do and learn about, the wisdom you might glean and the habits your form and the like, and the people you emulate and the particular milieus that surround and influence you, and not the physical apparatus of your brain that matters, as a young adult. Modern society has just become alarmingly effete and irresponsible in all kinds of myriad ways. And is always looking for excuses for their negligence.

They do say you shouldn't smoke a ton of weed until your brain is totally done growing, and that too much might stunt the physical development of your brain or something. But once you're safely past the 25 year old cutoff smoke all the weed you want, and know you're safe! Obviously that's just a good rule of thumb, and not really understood at all, and could be totally wrong. Anything involving the brain is basically not understood at all, at least not on a terribly significant technical level.

 

[Golson5]

They are not adults, they’re 18, 19 and 20 year-old kids who need guidance

Those ages are adults

 

[buckey]

Good thread for sbj75. Troll through a nothing post