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Not. For FY 22-23, Notre Dame took in more athletic department revenue than any school not named Texas. Amounts below are in millions. Schools sorted by total revenue.

EDIT: Source: US Dept of Education.

Equity in Athletics

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Quick hits: Every NC winner since 2007 is ranked below ND. Clemson is not in top 25 (#26). USC-Columbia is ranked higher than USC-Los Angeles (Ouch! That will change next year.). ACC schools will likely drop next year.

School (Conf): Total Rev (Rank) Ftbl Rev (Rank) MBB Rev (Rank)

1. Texas (SEC): $224.3M (1) $180.6M (1) $22.6M (10)
2. Notre Dame (ACC): $209M (2) $141.1M (4) $15.1M (29)
3. Georgia (SEC): $181.5M (3) $152.7M (2) $13.1M (46)
4. Alabama (SEC): $178M (4) $125.8M (8) $20.6M (12)
5. Michigan (Big10): $173.1M (5) $142.8M (3) $20.9M (11)
6. Tennessee (SEC): $166.1M (6) $137.1M (5) $19.1M (16)
7. Ohio State (Big10): $161.6M (7) $127.4M (7) $23.6M (9)
8. Oklahoma (SEC): $160.8M (8) $134.7M (6) $14.5M (38)
9. Penn State (Big10): $156.9M (9) $114.3M (11) $16.6M (24)
10. Auburn (SEC): $153.2M (10) $125.6M (9) $19.2M (15)
11. Florida State (ACC): $151M (11) $91.9M (16) $19.1M (17)
12. Nebraska (Big10): $147.6M (12) $120.8M (10) $17.3M (22)
13. Duke (ACC): $144.3M (13) $60.9M (35) $43.9M (1)
14. Wisconsin (Big10): $137M (14) $104.2M (13) $18.4M (19)
15. Michigan State (Big10): $134.9M (15) $73.6M (26) $20.5M (13)
16. LSU (SEC): $131.8M (16) $105.7M (12) $12M (49)
17. Washington (Big10): $127M (17) $101.7M (14) $11M (55)
18. Texas Christian (BXII): $126.2M (18) $77.1M (22) $14.1M (40)
19. Ole Miss (SEC): $124.6M (19) $72.5M (28) $13.4M (44)
20. South Carolina (SEC): $123.9M (20) $68.7M (32) $11.6M (51)
21. Miami (Fl) (ACC): $122.1M (21) $74.2M (24) $14M (42)
22. Southern Cal (Big10): $119.7M (22) $69.1M (31) $10.9M (56)
23. Indiana (Big10): $118.7M (23) $53.5M (44) $26.9M (6)
24. Texas A&M (SEC): $118.6M (24) $91.3M (17) $12.9M (47)
25. Florida (SEC): $117.9M (25) $97.2M (15) $12.8M (48)
 
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11NCs said:
Not. For FY 22-23, Notre Dame took in more athletic department revenue than any school not named Texas. Amounts below are in millions. Schools sorted by total revenue.

Quick hits: Every NC winner since 2007 is ranked below ND. Clemson is not in top 25 (#26). USC-Columbia is ranked higher than USC-Los Angeles (Ouch! That will change next year.). ACC schools will likely drop next year.

School (Conf): Total Rev (Rank) Ftbl Rev (Rank) MBB Rev (Rank)

1. Texas (SEC): $224.3M (1) $180.6M (1) $22.6M (10)
2. Notre Dame (ACC): $209M (2) $141.1M (4) $15.1M (29)
3. Georgia (SEC): $181.5M (3) $152.7M (2) $13.1M (46)
4. Alabama (SEC): $178M (4) $125.8M (8) $20.6M (12)
5. Michigan (Big10): $173.1M (5) $142.8M (3) $20.9M (11)
6. Tennessee (SEC): $166.1M (6) $137.1M (5) $19.1M (16)
7. Ohio State (Big10): $161.6M (7) $127.4M (7) $23.6M (9)
8. Oklahoma (SEC): $160.8M (8) $134.7M (6) $14.5M (38)
9. Penn State (Big10): $156.9M (9) $114.3M (11) $16.6M (24)
10. Auburn (SEC): $153.2M (10) $125.6M (9) $19.2M (15)
11. Florida State (ACC): $151M (11) $91.9M (16) $19.1M (17)
12. Nebraska (Big10): $147.6M (12) $120.8M (10) $17.3M (22)
13. Duke (ACC): $144.3M (13) $60.9M (35) $43.9M (1)
14. Wisconsin (Big10): $137M (14) $104.2M (13) $18.4M (19)
15. Michigan State (Big10): $134.9M (15) $73.6M (26) $20.5M (13)
16. LSU (SEC): $131.8M (16) $105.7M (12) $12M (49)
17. Washington (Big10): $127M (17) $101.7M (14) $11M (55)
18. Texas Christian (BXII): $126.2M (18) $77.1M (22) $14.1M (40)
19. Ole Miss (SEC): $124.6M (19) $72.5M (28) $13.4M (44)
20. South Carolina (SEC): $123.9M (20) $68.7M (32) $11.6M (51)
21. Miami (Fl) (ACC): $122.1M (21) $74.2M (24) $14M (42)
22. Southern Cal (Big10): $119.7M (22) $69.1M (31) $10.9M (56)
23. Indiana (Big10): $118.7M (23) $53.5M (44) $26.9M (6)
24. Texas A&M (SEC): $118.6M (24) $91.3M (17) $12.9M (47)
25. Florida (SEC): $117.9M (25) $97.2M (15) $12.8M (48)
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Not sure where you got those numbers but that list is a lot different than this one:

sports.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sports.usatoday.com
 
Too bad that the universities and the NCAA couldn't do the smart thing. Set up conferences for the major sports (football, basketball, and maybe baseball) and then have the other remaining sports stick with the traditional conferences. Oregon would still be traveling for volleyball, golf, and gymnastics against other West Coast schools rather than having to fly cross-country for those sports. You could have three conferences for the major revenue producing sports with each conference having 30 - 40 teams. Every year you could have promotion and relegation just like they do in the UK for soccer.
 
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Irish Duck said:
Too bad that the universities and the NCAA couldn't do the smart thing. Set up conferences for the major sports (football, basketball, and maybe baseball) and then have the other remaining sports stick with the traditional conferences. Oregon would still be traveling for volleyball, golf, and gymnastics against other West Coast schools rather than having to fly cross-country for those sports. You could have three conferences for the major revenue producing sports with each conference having 30 - 40 teams. Every year you could have promotion and relegation just like they do in the UK for soccer.
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These things seem to have a way of coming full circle. It wouldn't surprise me if some schools get sick of the current arrangement and the PAC-10 is brought back.
 
11NCs said:
Not. For FY 22-23, Notre Dame took in more athletic department revenue than any school not named Texas. Amounts below are in millions. Schools sorted by total revenue.

Quick hits: Every NC winner since 2007 is ranked below ND. Clemson is not in top 25 (#26). USC-Columbia is ranked higher than USC-Los Angeles (Ouch! That will change next year.). ACC schools will likely drop next year.

School (Conf): Total Rev (Rank) Ftbl Rev (Rank) MBB Rev (Rank)

1. Texas (SEC): $224.3M (1) $180.6M (1) $22.6M (10)
2. Notre Dame (ACC): $209M (2) $141.1M (4) $15.1M (29)
3. Georgia (SEC): $181.5M (3) $152.7M (2) $13.1M (46)
4. Alabama (SEC): $178M (4) $125.8M (8) $20.6M (12)
5. Michigan (Big10): $173.1M (5) $142.8M (3) $20.9M (11)
6. Tennessee (SEC): $166.1M (6) $137.1M (5) $19.1M (16)
7. Ohio State (Big10): $161.6M (7) $127.4M (7) $23.6M (9)
8. Oklahoma (SEC): $160.8M (8) $134.7M (6) $14.5M (38)
9. Penn State (Big10): $156.9M (9) $114.3M (11) $16.6M (24)
10. Auburn (SEC): $153.2M (10) $125.6M (9) $19.2M (15)
11. Florida State (ACC): $151M (11) $91.9M (16) $19.1M (17)
12. Nebraska (Big10): $147.6M (12) $120.8M (10) $17.3M (22)
13. Duke (ACC): $144.3M (13) $60.9M (35) $43.9M (1)
14. Wisconsin (Big10): $137M (14) $104.2M (13) $18.4M (19)
15. Michigan State (Big10): $134.9M (15) $73.6M (26) $20.5M (13)
16. LSU (SEC): $131.8M (16) $105.7M (12) $12M (49)
17. Washington (Big10): $127M (17) $101.7M (14) $11M (55)
18. Texas Christian (BXII): $126.2M (18) $77.1M (22) $14.1M (40)
19. Ole Miss (SEC): $124.6M (19) $72.5M (28) $13.4M (44)
20. South Carolina (SEC): $123.9M (20) $68.7M (32) $11.6M (51)
21. Miami (Fl) (ACC): $122.1M (21) $74.2M (24) $14M (42)
22. Southern Cal (Big10): $119.7M (22) $69.1M (31) $10.9M (56)
23. Indiana (Big10): $118.7M (23) $53.5M (44) $26.9M (6)
24. Texas A&M (SEC): $118.6M (24) $91.3M (17) $12.9M (47)
25. Florida (SEC): $117.9M (25) $97.2M (15) $12.8M (48)
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Not a surprise. Thank You.
 
Quix0te said:
Not sure where you got those numbers but that list is a lot different than this one:

sports.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sports.usatoday.com
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The list the OP p
sjb75 said:
At lest he did not say PAC 8 which was even longer ago.
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It may get to that initially PAC-2 adds 6 more teams to make it the PAC-8. 😂
 
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The list the OP p
It may get to that initially PAC-2 adds 6 more teams to make it the PAC-8. 😂
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My guess is by 2026 the PAC 12 will grow to 14 teams. That is Theresa Gould's, the new PAC 12 commissioner, goal.

We will see. A lot of flux right now.
 
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Have you figured out which schools are not included on the list you provided?
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I fully understand that private colleges are not on the list from USA Today. Have you figured out the vast differences in reported revenue for schools that are on both lists?
 
Quix0te said:
I fully understand that private colleges are not on the list from USA Today. Have you figured out the vast differences in reported revenue for schools that are on both lists?
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No, I don't think you do.
 
wanger1714 said:
It’s also for a different fiscal year
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No, it is not. Both sets of data are for FY 22-23 The Fiscal Year 23-24 hasn't yet been completed.

Also note that 11NCs has not yet provided a link from which his data came. What is the source?
 
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Notre Dame's lucrative television deal with NBC, combined with the annual compensation from the ACC, places Notre Dame is a very competitive financial position moving forward, with everyone in CFB, and ND continues to maintain Football Independence. Notre Dame answers to no one.

Kudos.
 
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Notre Dame's lucrative television deal with NBC, combined with the annual compensation from the ACC, places Notre Dame is a very competitive financial position moving forward, with everyone in CFB, and ND continues to maintain Football Independence. Notre Dame answers to no one.

Kudos.
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I honest to God do believe that some of the posters on this forum are not capable of providing a direct response to a question. They simply lack the intellect to do it.
 
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I honest to God do believe that some of the posters on this forum are not capable of providing a direct response to a question. They simply lack the intellect to do it.
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Well, you're a passive aggressive anti-Notre Dame Football, and a Big 10 homer.

So, start there with your confusion.
 
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It is super interesting and encouraging but I too would like to know where it is from, how the private institution data was acquired/estimated and the extent to which our position may get better or worse. Thanks for sharing OP and can you share where you got it?
 
Thanks OP for the source. I looked at the numbers, and it looks very good for ND. There is an unallocated (neither expressly women's or men's) sports revenue column. When I included that OSU moved into second, and Irish down to third. But still pretty awesome either way. Georgia was 4th then Michigan. These numbers are not dissimilar to the USA Today numbers (they just include private schools). And whether Irish are 2nd (your run of the data) or 3rd (mine) your point is well taken. Plus given the student differential--those numbers are even more impressive and important. The fencing and lacrosse revenue was a surprise.

So, for Quixiote, the US Dept of Education Data and the US Today data are different but not too different. The latter does not include private schools and probably uses some forward or backward looking metric that the official DOE does not. ND is either 2 or 3 in revenue--on a per student basis, double the revenue of the rest of the field, but your concern for our well being is appreciated.
 
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melstew said:
Thanks OP for the source. I looked at the numbers, and it looks very good for ND. There is an unallocated (neither expressly women's or men's) sports revenue column. When I included that OSU moved into second, and Irish down to third. But still pretty awesome either way. Georgia was 4th then Michigan. These numbers are not dissimilar to the USA Today numbers (they just include private schools). And whether Irish are 2nd (your run of the data) or 3rd (mine) your point is well taken. Plus given the student differential--those numbers are even more impressive and important. The fencing and lacrosse revenue was a surprise.

So, for Quixiote, the US Dept of Education Data and the US Today data are different but not too different. The latter does not include private schools and probably uses some forward or backward looking metric that the official DOE does not. ND is either 2 or 3 in revenue--on a per student basis, double the revenue of the rest of the field, but your concern for our well being is appreciated.
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Of course it is good for Notre Dame Football. Same as the recent lucrative NBC television contract. Good for Notre Dame.
 
melstew said:
So, for Quixiote, the US Dept of Education Data and the US Today data are different but not too different. The latter does not include private schools and probably uses some forward or backward looking metric that the official DOE does not. ND is either 2 or 3 in revenue--on a per student basis, double the revenue of the rest of the field, but your concern for our well being is appreciated.
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Well, the point is that the NCAA releases these school revenue lists every year and I cannot remember a year during the past couple of decades in which Ohio State wasn't number one - and yes, the Buckeyes have a domer AD. And I wasn't posting to tweak the irish fans. I'm sure ND does very well.

When the new TV contracts for the Big Ten, the SEC and ND kick in this year, those schools will certainly dominate in revenue thereafter. Actually the TV payouts for the Big Ten are about $15 million per school higher than the SEC in 2024.
 
Quix0te said:
Well, the point is that the NCAA releases these school revenue lists every year and I cannot remember a year during the past couple of decades in which Ohio State wasn't number one - and yes, the Buckeyes have a domer AD. And I wasn't posting to tweak the irish fans. I'm sure ND does very well.

When the new TV contracts for the Big Ten, the SEC and ND kick in this year, those schools will certainly dominate in revenue thereafter. Actually the TV payouts for the Big Ten are about $15 million per school higher than the SEC in 2024.
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Big 10 homer.
 
The amount of money they bring in is not the biggest factor in whether or not they're going to join a conference, it's how long the other conferences choose to play along/be ok with their independence as it relates to scheduling, playoff eligibility, etc.

For right now, it works. But how long before the days come that conference teams stop scheduling ND as an out of conference game, or take the playoff eligibility rules further than they do now? Right now, ND is ineligible for being in the Top 4 of the playoff rankings. How long before that's Top 8?

A reality that a lot of people seem to not be interested in acknowledging is a tangible part of the reason why ND stays independent is the conferences allow them to by essentially having all of these rules be created with "Conference & Notre Dame" parameters. Just because that's happened for a while now, doesn't mean it's going to happen forever. And the more time that goes along, the more people start getting into these positions who have no memory at all of Notre Dame being a championship team.

If they want to stay independent, they better win a championship soon. And they know it.
 
mva5580 said:
The amount of money they bring in is not the biggest factor in whether or not they're going to join a conference, it's how long the other conferences choose to play along/be ok with their independence as it relates to scheduling, playoff eligibility, etc.

For right now, it works. But how long before the days come that conference teams stop scheduling ND as an out of conference game, or take the playoff eligibility rules further than they do now? Right now, ND is ineligible for being in the Top 4 of the playoff rankings. How long before that's Top 8?

A reality that a lot of people seem to not be interested in acknowledging is a tangible part of the reason why ND stays independent is the conferences allow them to by essentially having all of these rules be created with "Conference & Notre Dame" parameters. Just because that's happened for a while now, doesn't mean it's going to happen forever. And the more time that goes along, the more people start getting into these positions who have no memory at all of Notre Dame being a championship team.

If they want to stay independent, they better win a championship soon. And they know it.
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They are going to be an independent for a long time, regardless if they win a Championship soon or not
 
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The amount of money they bring in is not the biggest factor in whether or not they're going to join a conference, it's how long the other conferences choose to play along/be ok with their independence as it relates to scheduling, playoff eligibility, etc.

For right now, it works. But how long before the days come that conference teams stop scheduling ND as an out of conference game, or take the playoff eligibility rules further than they do now? Right now, ND is ineligible for being in the Top 4 of the playoff rankings. How long before that's Top 8?

A reality that a lot of people seem to not be interested in acknowledging is a tangible part of the reason why ND stays independent is the conferences allow them to by essentially having all of these rules be created with "Conference & Notre Dame" parameters. Just because that's happened for a while now, doesn't mean it's going to happen forever. And the more time that goes along, the more people start getting into these positions who have no memory at all of Notre Dame being a championship team.

If they want to stay independent, they better win a championship soon. And they know it.
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Bullshit.

Posters like you pointed to the money as the driving factor why Notre Dame would join the Big 10 full time, or some other conference.

Now that has been eliminated with the new lucrative TV deal, you invent some hypothetical narrative, with no basis of fact, why Notre Dame Football will eventually join a conference.
 
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Big 10 homer.
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Why the chip on your shoulder? What is your problem? I have not said anything to smack ND. Purdue and ND renew their long-term rivalry for the next five years. Can't we chat about issues of mutuel interest without the nasty name-calling?
 
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Why the chip on your shoulder? What is your problem? I have not said anything to smack ND. Purdue and ND renew their long-term rivalry for the next five years. Can't we chat about issues of mutuel interest without the nasty name-calling?
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I have no chip on my shoulder. Problem? None. You are a Big 10 homer who spends a lot of time in a Notre Dame Football forum. I could not imagine spending one second on a Michigan board. Or Ohio St. Or Penn St.

That said, you do you.
 
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How good is Hudson Card?
Does Boilermaker defense have a chance to be at least average?
What is the visiting fan experience like in West Lafayette--where to eat?
Can Graham Herrill overcome what seems like mediocre talent on offense?
Purdue will be coming off a single game against a pretty horrible team (sycamores) will they be ready for what is coming to town?
Purdue on the road almost always scares me--but not so much this year, what am I missing?
 
melstew said:
How good is Hudson Card?
Does Boilermaker defense have a chance to be at least average?
What is the visiting fan experience like in West Lafayette--where to eat?
Can Graham Herrill overcome what seems like mediocre talent on offense?
Purdue will be coming off a single game against a pretty horrible team (sycamores) will they be ready for what is coming to town?
Purdue on the road almost always scares me--but not so much this year, what am I missing?
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I think Hudson Card is good. Last year he played behind a pathetic OL, kinda like ND's QB at Wake Forest. The portal has enhanced Purdue's OL quite well.

Again, Purdue's defense has been fortified by the portal.

Bruno's Pizza. If it's packed, go to Arni's pizza. If you go to Arni's, get the Arni's Senior salad with your pizza and ask for double garlic bread.

As for the Purdue-ND game this year, the all-time record between the schools is 57-25-2 in favor of ND. May the best team win in September.
 
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I fully understand that private colleges are not on the list from USA Today. Have you figured out the vast differences in reported revenue for schools that are on both lists?
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Lol. Why would I care?

It’s huge money. And yet lots of schools report a profit under 10%
 
sjb75 said:
Of course it is good for Notre Dame Football. Same as the recent lucrative NBC television contract. Good for Notre Dame.
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Did that ever get signed?
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The Big 10 getting paid more than the SEC just makes me laugh so hard....
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It's debatable but not unexpected. BUG 2.0 (from Penn State an onward) was built on adding large state institutions with urban media markets. The South is still somewhat rustic.
 
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BUG 2.0 (from Penn State an onward) was built on adding large state institutions with urban media markets. The South is still somewhat rustic.
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Well, it's obviously true that the Big Ten has added state flagship universities – plus USC – in large metro areas. You may call the SEC additions “rustic” but they too added state flagships (Texas actually had double flagships) for the same reason – media markets, TV revenues. And the TV contracts that kick in this year readily justify those decisions.

Meanwhile, the Pac-12 is dead, the ACC is in a hysterical crisis and the Big XII has become the Conference of Leftovers. All three conferences would dearly love to have TV deals like the Big Ten and SEC.
 
Quix0te said:
Well, the point is that the NCAA releases these school revenue lists every year and I cannot remember a year during the past couple of decades in which Ohio State wasn't number one - and yes, the Buckeyes have a domer AD. And I wasn't posting to tweak the irish fans. I'm sure ND does very well.

When the new TV contracts for the Big Ten, the SEC and ND kick in this year, those schools will certainly dominate in revenue thereafter. Actually the TV payouts for the Big Ten are about $15 million per school higher than the SEC in 2024.
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No doubt that Big10 and SEC are 1,2 …with Big10 pulling away. However they are eroding their academic standards in the process. Note the declines in PSU under Franklin, OSU over last decade, Purdue and Illinois …as compared to 2000-2010. I respected the Big for that back then

PS. The Mich number is BS
 
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