OT: Something has to change
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The shooter is a scum. His peers did the right thing by reporting him to the FBI. They did not take the steps needed to stop him
The FBI is going to take a beating on this one. It cost innocent lives and high ranking politicians are looking for answers and heads to roll.
Coming from Bernie country I am not surprised by your comments. Surprisingly VT is a zero prohibition state except for some issues on state grounds. This is from The Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States. A good read for anyone before making comments without much knowledge.
I was going to ask about that too. The profile of the mass shooter is pretty distinct and has trended towards: young, white, male, isolated, on psychiatric drugs, and atheist/no-religion.
Ben Franklin the Deist that believed God had no interaction with humans? Interesting choice. I prefer George Washington who warned against partisan politics... https://harpers.org/blog/2008/07/washington-on-the-threat-of-partisan-entrenchment/
This is the 3rd recent instance where the FBI had ample data to prevent a tragedy.
This is not a gun problem, this is a people problem. Crazies. Bad people will find a way to do the dastardly deed. God help us if the day comes when we have surrendered all the weapons and need to rely on Anderson Cooper or Chris Cumo to ‘save us’.
I don’t have the answers to these horrific mass shootings, but I wonder what the black market gun sales would look like if we enact the banning of certain types of guns. There’s dangerous gun running now, imagine what it would be like if the laws were tightened significantly. I would say that it would open up a whole new batch of crime. If there was a way to get rid of the types that cause mass damage and cease production of them, I’d be all for it, but unfortunately, the criminals that are hell bent on killing will create a (black) market for production of these types. It’s messy, and I’m not saying that there’s nothing we can legislate to slow this down, but there’s no easy answers when it comes to the willingness of an evil or mentally deranged person to wreak havoc on the innocents.
String Nicolas Cruz up by his nuts I say, btw.
String Nicolas Cruz up by his nuts I say, btw.
some of the dumb quotes I have heard are we have to ban this ar 15 because its an assault weapon. it is not. it is not a good deer hunting gun because it's not powerful enough. it is slow also. the problem to me is the schools themselves are easy targets so we need to do something about that. better security and armed people on campus. the most important thing is to do something with the mentally ill.
Seems like the FBI has it's hands fullq
I have used my MP 15 for hunting though I have it fitted for a 7.62 round
I have used my MP 15 for hunting though I have it fitted for a 7.62 round
Here's my one and only post on this since I know I won't change anyone's mind. I'm am a conservative, I support the ban on AR-15's and semi--automatic rifles like it, just as both Bush's did. They are designed to kill a large number of people quickly. The AR-15 has a high muzzle velocity, which combined with the small .223 round produces a violently ricochet through the human body and bones. I don't think that this one thing will stop these nut bag kids from going on shooting spree's, that's a whole other cultural issue of raising desensitized, unsympathetic, narcissistic children, on psychosomatic drugs, but I do believe it will save lives.
Harlem,
Let’s also bring back ( I believe it was called ? ) The Legion of Decency “ that regulated
The content of Motion Pictures. Then Let’s apply that to all video games, TV, etc ?
I am sure if we did put restrictions on the “Entertainment “ industry, Academia , the “ News “,
the Liberals , etc. will be violently demonstrating in the streets because of restrictions on “ Freedom of speech And “ Artistic “ expression !
I have no interest in guns for my own very personal reasons , but most of my friends and neighbors
Do own guns for hunting, protection, or as collectors.
So, I am open to all types of new laws and restrictions that will cut down on violences as well as the moral decay of our society.
In short, if we can lawfully place restrictions on one group in society that some people feel are good for society, we can certainly place restrictions that other groups feel are also beneficial to society ?
Just a personal experience,( someone touched on this already ) I was 18 years old and had returned from many months of fighting
In Korea. A buddy and I went out into a local bar \ Pizzaria, we did not even want alcohol. We simply
Wanted a Pizza, and the waiter gave us a hard time until the owner intervened and we did get our pizza
And Coca Cola. Talk about unfair laws !
Ok, care to add anything germane? Like I said, I'm under no illusions of changing anyone's mind. Just stating my opinion.
The 14th Amendment was not written so an illegal who gives birth to a child in America has automatic citizenship for the child it was adopted after the civil war so slaves and their descendants could become citizens. If u want to change the constitution go through congress. Do not let the 9th circuit liberal judges do that for us. To answer the question... the framers did not envision automatic weapons per se
I'm sorry for the short response i was in he middle if something(taxes)when you stated that was going to be your only post on this subject.
More people are harmed with hand guns than AR/MP's
Homicidal psychopath will find any means to commit their deeds.
Banning semi-automatic rifles do nothing to solve that problem.
All that does is take away my right.
It looks like at this point in today's society armed guards need to be posted at schools ,churches, or anywhere else that it seems a psychopath would want to do harm.
I own both ARs, and MPs, and I am a responsible gun owner. but my obedience to the tight way of owning the firearm's I own will not stop a criminal
Look how the Swiss gun laws work. Open Carry....... no problem semi automatics ownership ......no problem a patriotic sense..... strong.
There could be a model there.
BTW the Bush's were not really conservative.
Then we'll agree to disagree on this subject. The last time I checked though this is a democracy. If the majority votes to ban them, would you support and abide by the law?
We are a republic last time I checked, and the dismantling of the Constitution will bring havic
I will be grandfathered in so no new law effects me, such is why I legally own an AK, and an UZI
It's simplistic to equate guns with bombs or the use of planes as WMD. How many people can properly build a bomb; how many can commandeer a plane or sneak a bomb aboard one? With guns, all that is needed is a weapon (easily obtained) and a soft target (malls, churches, theaters, nightclubs - you name it). The equivalence of the one with the others is the kind of soft-headed rationalization one might expect to hear on talk radio.
Ok, let me rephrase that, would you abide by the law and not purchase any of the banned weapons?
That's why I stock up so when big government takes control I'm good.
Not fumbling you seem to understand my point.
It just doesn't fit your narrative
I think that the posters who have stated that: “ That guns do not kil, but insane people do “
are on the correct side of this argument. There are also all types of mental illness , but only a small
Portion of the mentally ill, are criminally and violently insane.
So while some small number of people are born with all types of illnesses, I think that all civilized society is based upon Aristotle’s: “ The mind is a Tabula Rasa “
Children learn and fill and nourish their minds with ideas that are taught to them by
The families and the societies that they live in.
Bring children up in a home full of love , moral, religious values, and , yes, loving discipline
As well, and the tabula rasa is nourished with healthy “ food “ ( Ideas ).
Then turn that child out into a society that share those ideas and values, and supplements
That nourishment as the child matures.
Under such conditions Laws are minimal , Jesus said it best and limited the 10 commandments
Down to two. Good and Moral societies need few laws !
I have lived a long time and have seen our society become more and more divisive, and less
And less moral as the years have progressed.
Just as one example. Easter Vacation was a religious Vacation. Today it is know as. “ Spring Break “
Which we see year after year the beach “ Orgies “ that would make a perverted Roman Emperors feel right
At home.
I think the computer programmers explain it best : Gabbage in. Gabbage out. True for both the
Computer and the human mind.
are on the correct side of this argument. There are also all types of mental illness , but only a small
Portion of the mentally ill, are criminally and violently insane.
So while some small number of people are born with all types of illnesses, I think that all civilized society is based upon Aristotle’s: “ The mind is a Tabula Rasa “
Children learn and fill and nourish their minds with ideas that are taught to them by
The families and the societies that they live in.
Bring children up in a home full of love , moral, religious values, and , yes, loving discipline
As well, and the tabula rasa is nourished with healthy “ food “ ( Ideas ).
Then turn that child out into a society that share those ideas and values, and supplements
That nourishment as the child matures.
Under such conditions Laws are minimal , Jesus said it best and limited the 10 commandments
Down to two. Good and Moral societies need few laws !
I have lived a long time and have seen our society become more and more divisive, and less
And less moral as the years have progressed.
Just as one example. Easter Vacation was a religious Vacation. Today it is know as. “ Spring Break “
Which we see year after year the beach “ Orgies “ that would make a perverted Roman Emperors feel right
At home.
I think the computer programmers explain it best : Gabbage in. Gabbage out. True for both the
Computer and the human mind.
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Your narrative seems to be that you could care less what happens as long as you can have your guns. Like Congress, thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
What logical reason would anyone have to possess an Uzi ?
And if an Uzi, why not a bazooka? Exactly where do we draw the line? Half a year on - after the Vegas massacre - we still don't even have a consensus on bump-stocks.
You don't stake me as the narrow minded poster you come across as sometimes.
Me owning my firearm's effect no one because I am responsible
I do profoundly care about what's going on. Who was it that stated "don't let a good tragedy go to waste"?
I watch illegal immigrants get passed citizens don't.
Now as with every tragedy with guns outside of big cities big government wants to infringe. I stand with the Constitution as anyone who lives in a Reublic should
When muskets were considered high-tech. Try harder, try better.
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