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Notre Dame running the spread is pathetic and embarassing

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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.
 
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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.
Single Wing

Run the Spinner Play !
 
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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.
double fullback sets.... lets hire Frank Solich.
 
I can't tell if this is a joke thread. But taking it seriously there are a lot of advantages to running a spread. At the college level few programs have the density of hyper athletes who are needed to defuse a run oriented spread & shred. The ability to force the defense to account for one more man in the running game can be a huge advantage.

Of course there are all sorts of spreads as NE runs a pass oriented spread and they do just fine.

All spreads attempt to take advantage of the same concept. Spread everyone out so the QB can identify and take advantage of one individual forcing a breakdown be it a run or a pass. Spreads are great because you only need a few skill players and a savy QB to create havoc even if the Oline is not so good.

The reality of college football is only a few teams run power. Even Alabama has introduced spread after getting bushwacked by Ohio State.
 
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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.
I certainly hope this is tongue in cheek. if not there is no hope for you.
 
I can't tell if this is a joke thread. But taking it seriously there are a lot of advantages to running a spread. At the college level few programs have the density of hyper athletes who are needed to defuse a run oriented spread & shred. The ability to force the defense to account for one more man in the running game can be a huge advantage.

Of course there are all sorts of spreads as NE runs a pass oriented spread and they do just fine.

All spreads attempt to take advantage of the same concept. Spread everyone out so the QB can identify and take advantage of one individual forcing a breakdown be it a run or a pass. Spreads are great because you only need a few skill players and a savy QB to create havoc even if the Oline is not so good.

The reality of college football is only a few teams run power. Even Alabama has introduced spread after getting bushwacked by Ohio State.

And what advantage have we had running this stupid offense? we are horrible in short yardage situations and horrible at red zone scoring. I've never seen a team kick as many field goals as ND. We have a very gifted running QB and we are going to rely on him running the same offense Tom brady does when he struggles to even complete screen passes? Give me a break.
 
2017 stats....ND Red Zone Offense 14th. ND Scoring Offense 24th. ND Rushing Offense 7th. ND Total Offense 27th. Not too shabby.
 
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Let him roll Toby----you can't get entertained like this for what we pay to be on here.
 
And what advantage have we had running this stupid offense? we are horrible in short yardage situations and horrible at red zone scoring. I've never seen a team kick as many field goals as ND. We have a very gifted running QB and we are going to rely on him running the same offense Tom brady does when he struggles to even complete screen passes? Give me a break.
This poster desperately needs a trip to his local library. Many books on basic football knowledge. I suggest reading as many as possible to bring his posts up to even the most pedestrian level of football understanding.
 
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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.
Good one coach... Lol.
 
The ND analysts wrote a great article & show film breakdowns of how ND’s offense isn’t a “spread.”

Here is a post from an analyst who worked on the film breakdown:

“This is funny. What is hilarious is I read non-stop from NFL people and draft evaluators and OL specialists how the ND run game is so diverse and prepared the OL for the NFL. It is a complext run game, which I have broken down in detail.

Yet the football experts on this board want to call it gimmicky. Absolutely hilarious.

Oh, and do you know many SEC or Big 10 teams rushed for more yards than Notre Dame last year? A combined zero.”
 
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And what advantage have we had running this stupid offense? we are horrible in short yardage situations and horrible at red zone scoring. I've never seen a team kick as many field goals as ND. We have a very gifted running QB and we are going to rely on him running the same offense Tom brady does when he struggles to even complete screen passes? Give me a break.
Ohio St runs exclusively out of the shotgun.
 
The ND analysts wrote a great article & show film breakdowns of how ND’s offense isn’t a “spread.”

Here is a post from an analyst who worked on the film breakdown:

“This is funny. What is hilarious is I read non-stop from NFL people and draft evaluators and OL specialists how the ND run game is so diverse and prepared the OL for the NFL. It is a complext run game, which I have broken down in detail.

Yet the football experts on this board want to call it gimmicky. Absolutely hilarious.

Oh, and do you know many SEC or Big 10 teams rushed for more yards than Notre Dame last year? A combined zero.”
He equates the shotgun with the spread. Just another example of his lack of understanding of the game.
 
Much better last year since bk got out of the way. Before that ND's short game sucked.

You realize BK hasn’t called plays in 5 years?
The funny thing is the last season Kelly exclusively called plays was 2012, when ND ran the ball very well. In 2013 he called plays with an OC then 14, 15, 16 & 17 an OC exclusively called the plays.

You hate Kelly, everyone knows it. But you should at least get your facts straight.
 
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You realize BK hasn’t called plays in 5 years?
The funny thing is the last season Kelly exclusively called plays was 2012, when ND ran the ball very well. In 2013 he called plays with an OC then 14, 15, 16 & 17 an OC exclusively called the plays.

You hate Kelly, everyone knows it. But you should at least get your facts straight.

Yes, and the Moon is really made of cheese.
 
Yes, and the Moon is really made of cheese.

It might be. But if ND was playing football on it Kelly wouldn’t be the one calling plays. It would be Long now or Sanford ot Denbrock before...the 3 guys who actually called plays the past 5 years.
 
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We arent some weak, loser school like Texas Tech, Hawaii, Northwestern, or Purdue. Those schools dont even deserve to be D1. We are an enourmous power with men on our roster, not wimpy little boys. Coach Kelly or Coach Long, if you're reading this please come out against Michigan in the Power T or Power I. If we come out in the shotgun formation we are sending the message that we are weak and hopeless.

I see some posters are attacking this. But I think it’s spot on. ND has always had the most success playing to its strength. That’s power football. That should always be the core. You can add option and misdirection into the overall mix. Make no mistake about it, great offensive line, good run game with really good QBs is the way to win consistently. Stanford has become what ND use to be. It works. ND can always get elite linemen, backs , tight ends and QBs if they play a style that those players excell in. They had good receivers. But with a good run game the receivers would excell no matter what. Lastly, having a good running game keeps your defense fresh through each game and will help as the season wears on.
 
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You realize BK hasn’t called plays in 5 years?
The funny thing is the last season Kelly exclusively called plays was 2012, when ND ran the ball very well. In 2013 he called plays with an OC then 14, 15, 16 & 17 an OC exclusively called the plays.

You hate Kelly, everyone knows it. But you should at least get your facts straight.
I know bk "didn't call plays" per se but he had his nose in it big time. I don't hate bk, hes a good coach but hes gone as far as he can go. ND needs new blood. Who that is I don't know. Time for Jack to get to work.
 
I see some posters are attacking this. But I think it’s spot on. ND has always had the most success playing to its strength. That’s power football. That should always be the core. You can add option and misdirection into the overall mix. Make no mistake about it, great offensive line, good run game with really good QBs is the way to win consistently. Stanford has become what ND use to be. It works. ND can always get elite linemen, backs , tight ends and QBs if they play a style that those players excell in. They had good receivers. But with a good run game the receivers would excell no matter what. Lastly, having a good running game keeps your defense fresh through each game and will help as the season wears on.
7th nationally in run offense. That's a good running game.
 
I see some posters are attacking this. But I think it’s spot on. ND has always had the most success playing to its strength. That’s power football. That should always be the core. You can add option and misdirection into the overall mix. Make no mistake about it, great offensive line, good run game with really good QBs is the way to win consistently. Stanford has become what ND use to be. It works. ND can always get elite linemen, backs , tight ends and QBs if they play a style that those players excell in. They had good receivers. But with a good run game the receivers would excell no matter what. Lastly, having a good running game keeps your defense fresh through each game and will help as the season wears on.
this the type of offense brian kelly runs. usually very balanced and the goal as most offenses are is to maximize and exploit.matchups. how many championships has stanford played for under your scenario ? the game has changed. winning is not exclusive to one particular offense.
 
I know bk "didn't call plays" per se but he had his nose in it big time. I don't hate bk, hes a good coach but hes gone as far as he can go. ND needs new blood. Who that is I don't know. Time for Jack to get to work.
jack has his coach.
 
7th nationally in run offense. That's a good running game.

Exactly.

ND ran for more yards per game than any team in the SEC or Big10.

Seriously, who has a “power running” game if the Big10 & SEC doesn’t?

The only 6 teams who ran for more yards per game were 4 option teams (AF, Navy, Army, GT) & Arizona (who actually runs a spread) & Florida Atlantic.
 
I remember the first Orange Bowl game match up with Colorado (1990). Irish "O" got the ball with about nine minutes left in the game and Tony Rice and company masterfully ran a nine minute offense based solely on the run. It was a thing of beauty. Seventeen running plays for eighty-two yards, capped off by an Anthony Johnson TD. NBC TV Color analyst, Bill Walsh, implored the Buff defense to crowd the LOS to stop the run but they never did. Tony taking his time in the huddle then winding down the play clock before the ball was snapped. Rocket and Johnson , inside and out, 5,6,7 yards. Now that was a brutal running attack.
 
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I remember the first Orange Bowl game match up with Colorado (1990). Irish "O" got the ball with about nine minutes left in the game and Tony Rice and company masterfully ran a nine minute offense based solely on the run. It was a thing of beauty. Seventeen running plays for eighty-two yards, capped off by an Anthony Johnson TD. NBC TV Color analyst, Bill Walsh, implored the Buff defense to crowd the LOS to stop the run but they never did. Tony taking his time in the huddle then winding down the play clock before the ball was snapped. Rocket and Johnson , inside and out, 5,6,7 yards. Now that was a brutal running attack.
Holtz's first priority in recruiting was offensive linemen. Between his emphasis, and Joe Moore's coaching, it was usually a very dominant bunch, and could just take control of the LOS.
 
Listen to what I'm about to say. I don't care about your little "facts" and numbers. Where I'm from we play a little game called FARMBOY FOOTBALL, you hear me? We run the pigskin 80% of the time if not more. We dont snap the ball usually until 10 seconds or less, that way we can catch them off guard when we do snap it quick. We sit on the ball in formation for 10 seconds. This way the defense will have time to try and guess where the ball is going and overcommit or be flat out wrong. We keep our defense off the field and dont care about "rushing yards percentage" or whatever that numbers crap means.

There is no point in running a hurry up offense, it has never been successful and never will. Sure it looks good to "Blitzkreig" a weaker opponent by throwing bombs early, but overall it the worst thing that has ever happened to football. Throwing the ball all over the field has caused a ton of injuries, especially concussions for some wimpy WR. It has made college games unbearable to watch due to the length of time a game will last due to incompletions and quick short routes that the wimpy WR runs out of bounds on instead of getting hit. If you run out of bounds on my team in a regular game clock situation you're off the team. We teach that our spads and helmet are not for protection, but for inflicting physical injury to our opponents.

If you think spread offenses are so good, why did Russia beat Germany in World War 2?
 
Listen to what I'm about to say. I don't care about your little "facts" and numbers. Where I'm from we play a little game called FARMBOY FOOTBALL, you hear me? We run the pigskin 80% of the time if not more. We dont snap the ball usually until 10 seconds or less, that way we can catch them off guard when we do snap it quick. We sit on the ball in formation for 10 seconds. This way the defense will have time to try and guess where the ball is going and overcommit or be flat out wrong. We keep our defense off the field and dont care about "rushing yards percentage" or whatever that numbers crap means.

There is no point in running a hurry up offense, it has never been successful and never will. Sure it looks good to "Blitzkreig" a weaker opponent by throwing bombs early, but overall it the worst thing that has ever happened to football. Throwing the ball all over the field has caused a ton of injuries, especially concussions for some wimpy WR. It has made college games unbearable to watch due to the length of time a game will last due to incompletions and quick short routes that the wimpy WR runs out of bounds on instead of getting hit. If you run out of bounds on my team in a regular game clock situation you're off the team. We teach that our spads and helmet are not for protection, but for inflicting physical injury to our opponents.

If you think spread offenses are so good, why did Russia beat Germany in World War 2?
wow, just wow. "where you re from " ? that's rich. open your eyes and your ears, you just might learn something. you're like a leather helmet. outdated and not very effective.
 
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There are valid points to make on both sides. I think there are different ways to effectively run the ball. 2 tight ends, power I, pro set or spread them out and create seams. I think my overall point was this. ND has a greater chance to win if they control the game by running more than passing. 60/40 Run/pass ratio would be ideal. I think if you look up stats through the years, you would see that whenever the Irish ran at a higher rate , they usually win. Even during the Brian Kelly era, his best years are when they have a good running game. Stanford plays a style that works for them. Have they won a NC? No. But if you compare their program to NDs during the Kelly era, you would have to admit they have had more overall succcess. Maybe Kelly has turned the corner as a coach. Another 10 plus win season would really help the Irish program. Win only 8 and it looks like more of the same. This is a pivotal year. I personally believe if they can get to the 10 win mark, it will dramatically change the projectory from flat line to climbing upward. As usual, this just my humble opinion. I always welcome other points of view. Go Irish!!
 
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There are valid points to make on both sides. I think there are different ways to effectively run the ball. 2 tight ends, power I, pro set or spread them out and create seams. I think my overall point was this. ND has a greater chance to win if they control the game by running more than passing. 60/40 Run/pass ratio would be ideal. I think if you look up stats through the years, you would see that whenever the Irish ran at a higher rate , they usually win. Even during the Brian Kelly era, his best years are when they have a good running game. Stanford plays a style that works for them. Have they won a NC? No. But if you compare their program to NDs during the Kelly era, you would have to admit they have had more overall succcess. Maybe Kelly has turned the corner as a coach. Another 10 plus win season would really help the Irish program. Win only 8 and it looks like more of the same. This is a pivotal year. I personally believe if they can get to the 10 win mark, it will dramatically change the projectory from flat line to climbing upward. As usual, this just my humble opinion. I always welcome other points of view. Go Irish!!
well said. i love power football too. where i coach we've done offense every way imaginable from the single wing to currently a spread hybrid. personnel has a lot to do with it. in high school we don't pick the players. in college coaches have philosophies they believe in and recruit as such. ron powlus was a horrible fit for lou holtz and never understood why lou chased him. lou's best years at nd were when he had the qb that fit his system. plenty of successful offenses out there.
 
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A friend of mine was a big fan of kraftwerk. He was a different cat similar to the poster kraftwerk. the music is not very good
 
wow, just wow. "where your from " ? that's rich. open your eyes and your ears, you just might learn something. you're like a leather helmet. outdated and not very effective.

He's trolling, but not very obviously.
 
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