You mean regarding the Texas ATM trip? So far as I have heard he isn't considering flipping. At least not currently.wassup with nelson?
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You mean regarding the Texas ATM trip? So far as I have heard he isn't considering flipping. At least not currently.wassup with nelson?
I’m done with the conversation.I follow usc. I don't know anyone who pick us to win the Pac. I also haven't seen this in any publication. I also do know anyone serious who uses Vegas to predict conference winners. For example, SC is a favorite over ND to win the natty in Vegas, does that sound right to you?
CFB National Championship Odds Tracker: Second Tier Expands
Ohio State is the new national title favorite at most sportsbooks, ahead of UGA and Alabama.www.actionnetwork.com
Check the top 5 odds favorites. Looks pretty accurate to me.I follow usc. I don't know anyone who pick us to win the Pac. I also haven't seen this in any publication. I also do know anyone serious who uses Vegas to predict conference winners. For example, SC is a favorite over ND to win the natty in Vegas, does that sound right to you?
CFB National Championship Odds Tracker: Second Tier Expands
Ohio State is the new national title favorite at most sportsbooks, ahead of UGA and Alabama.www.actionnetwork.com
OK. If you see SC as the fifth most likely team to win the natty, just keep on thinking that way. I have us at 9-3 this year with sure losses to ND and Utah. Surprised you think we will beat you this year.Check the top 5 odds favorites. Looks pretty accurate to me.
Yes, I would favor SC over ND for a championship, however, I have ND 14-0.
But SC has a proven coach and a proven QB. ND has neither.
OK. If you see SC as the fifth most likely team to win the natty, just keep on thinking that way. I have us at 9-3 this year with sure losses to ND and Utah. Surprised you think we will beat you this year.
Very convenient response.
All I ever hear on this board is Vegas odds. “Vegas knows something we don’t”.
Yes, Vegas wants to make money. However, they tell you up front the risk of picking each team. Picking SC to win the Pac12 championship is the lowest risk.
DraftkingsIs that the tOSU line? Certainly a great line for ND.
No wayCheck the top 5 odds favorites. Looks pretty accurate to me.
Yes, I would favor SC over ND for a championship, however, I have ND 14-0.
But SC has a proven coqch and a proven QB. ND has neither.
I don’t believe SC will beat ND. I said I am predicting a 14-0 season.OK. If you see SC as the fifth most likely team to win the natty, just keep on thinking that way. I have us at 9-3 this year with sure losses to ND and Utah. Surprised you think we will beat you this year.
Of course they aren't.If Vegas doesn't allow you to make the opposite bet (the PAC field vs USC), then they aren't real odds.
If anyone bets on SC to win the PAC then the profit is not a lot compared to someone picking let’s say Oregon St.Of course they aren't.
Las Vegas does not create odds or point spreads to tell you who the actual favorite is. "Follow theIf anyone bets on SC to win the PAC then the profit is not a lot compared to someone picking let’s say Oregon St.
Just like Vegas picking Bama to win the whole thing. Sure, you can bet on the obvious but you won’t make a lot of money.
You don’t make a lot of money betting on the odds on favorite compared to betting on underdog.
So they have Bama, OSU, Clemson, Georgia top 4 odds to win a championship.Las Vegas does not create odds or point spreads to tell you who the actual favorite is. "Follow the
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Well, the problem is this isn't the subject we were discussing. You think Vegas is an accurate way to pick the winner of conferences and nattys but you think ND will beat SC (which Vegas says shouldn't happen by your use of Vegas odds and that ND will win the natty (which you say shouldn't happen based on your use of Vegas odds.)If anyone bets on SC to win the PAC then the profit is not a lot compared to someone picking let’s say Oregon St.
Just like Vegas picking Bama to win the whole thing. Sure, you can bet on the obvious but you won’t make a lot of money.
You don’t make a lot of money betting on the odds on favorite compared to betting on underdog.
SC’s conference kinda sucks! Recently the were picked for finishing 3rd.OSU
SC
Clemson
This could be the toughest schedule in 20 plus seasons.
That is why I said this could be the greatest season Notre Dame has ever had!!!!
And West Virginia Football's entire existence has been really tough.I think that opener looks really tough for you guys.
This will be spinned by Zorich to fit a narrative.Well, the problem is this isn't the subject we were discussing. You think Vegas is an accurate way to pick the winner of conferences and nattys but you think ND will beat SC (which Vegas says shouldn't happen by your use of Vegas odds and that ND will win the natty (which you say shouldn't happen based on your use of Vegas odds.)
What is actually happening is that Vegas knows tons of SC fans visit and irrationally bet on SC, they also know that with a new coach and 45 new player SC is a bit of a wild card, so they lower their risk by giving lower odds. They know a lot of SC betters won't care. Can't prove this but I bet if you asked the guys who set the odds none would predict SC to win the Pac. Vegs tries to predict betting not results.
As to this being a tough schedule for ND, you are absolutely right. You just used an incorrect example, that's all.
Your greatest win(1988) in modern history.And West Virginia Football's entire existence has been really tough.
That win was a given. Boring game.Your greatest win(1988) in modern history.
None of those were title games. Game would have been more exciting had Major not gotten injured.That win was a given. Boring game.
Michigan, Miami and at USC in 1988 were far bigger, and Florida State in 1993 was also.
I follow usc. I don't know anyone who pick us to win the Pac. I also haven't seen this in any publication. I also do know anyone serious who uses Vegas to predict conference winners. For example, SC is a favorite over ND to win the natty in Vegas, does that sound right to you?
CFB National Championship Odds Tracker: Second Tier Expands
Ohio State is the new national title favorite at most sportsbooks, ahead of UGA and Alabama.www.actionnetwork.com
Yes it does. Odds to win the national title are about 1/4th of your odds to make the CFP. Playing in the PAC12 without Clemson an anOSU on the schedule increases your chances of making the CFP.I follow usc. I don't know anyone who pick us to win the Pac. I also haven't seen this in any publication. I also do know anyone serious who uses Vegas to predict conference winners. For example, SC is a favorite over ND to win the natty in Vegas, does that sound right to you?
CFB National Championship Odds Tracker: Second Tier Expands
Ohio State is the new national title favorite at most sportsbooks, ahead of UGA and Alabama.www.actionnetwork.com
It probably was a good game but it was on too late at night for many to see. In history it gets drowned out by Catholics vs Convicts. It is kind of like the Miracle Olympic hockey team that beat the USSR. The last line of the article mentions that they had to play one more game to win the gold.None of those were title games. Game would have been more exciting had Major not gotten injured.
So you are saying Vegas is picking SC to win the PAC because the fans will bet money on that? What about their NC picks? Bama, OSU and Clemson are most people’s picks.Well, the problem is this isn't the subject we were discussing. You think Vegas is an accurate way to pick the winner of conferences and nattys but you think ND will beat SC (which Vegas says shouldn't happen by your use of Vegas odds and that ND will win the natty (which you say shouldn't happen based on your use of Vegas odds.)
What is actually happening is that Vegas knows tons of SC fans visit and irrationally bet on SC, they also know that with a new coach and 45 new player SC is a bit of a wild card, so they lower their risk by giving lower odds. They know a lot of SC betters won't care. Can't prove this but I bet if you asked the guys who set the odds none would predict SC to win the Pac. Vegs tries to predict betting not results.
As to this being a tough schedule for ND, you are absolutely right. You just used an incorrect example, that's all.
Quit while you're behind. The more you post the more ignorant you sound.So you are saying Vegas is picking SC to win the PAC because the fans will bet money on that? What about their NC picks? Bama, OSU and Clemson are most people’s picks.
So, you think Vegas is wrong, but you relay on them to rate teams?So you are saying Vegas is picking SC to win the PAC because the fans will bet money on that? What about their NC picks? Bama, OSU and Clemson are most people’s picks.
I am saying:So, you think Vegas is wrong, but you relay on them to rate teams?
I am saying that Vegas analyzes betting patterns and understands SC is over bet.
If you wanna post insults I will not engage with you.Quit while you're behind. The more you post the more ignorant you sound.
Miami was the much better game. But in the end WVU was who ND had to defeat to be the champion. I would say WVU was pretty even with USC but not as good as Michigan and Miami.It probably was a good game but it was on too late at night for many to see. In history it gets drowned out by Catholics vs Convicts. It is kind of like the Miracle Olympic hockey team that beat the USSR. The last line of the article mentions that they had to play one more game to win the gold.
I understand and I agree with you for the most part. But part of your argument is using Vegas to show how good USC is, claiming that because of the odds they a favorite to win the Pac-12. However, most informed people who follow the Trojans do not think SC will win the Pac 12, or even play in the championship gamer.I am saying:
1. Vegas is picking SC to win the PAC
2. ND will beat SC
3. This could be the greatest season ND has ever had. Based off of SOS including playoffs.
4. ND will go 12-0 and win the Championship this season.
I dont think SC will be very good this year but I do expect them to have a good record. Your schedule is very weak.I understand and I agree with you for the most part. But part of your argument is using Vegas to show how good USC is, claiming that because of the odds they a favorite to win the Pac-12. However, most informed people who follow the Trojans do not think SC will win the Pac 12, or even play in the championship gamer.
Agree with everything except SC playing in the Pac title game. Utah is a better team and in our division.I dont think SC will be very good this year but I do expect them to have a good record. Your schedule is very weak.
I see between 8 and 10 wins depending on health. I see you probably playing in the pac title game because schedule and pac isn't very good.
You still do the division thing. I thought they went to the top 2 teamsAgree with everything except SC playing in the Pac title game. Utah is a better team and in our division.
No. Still North and South for the next two seasons.You still do the division thing. I thought they went to the top 2 teams
It's a universal truth that Las Vegas established odds and point spreads, and adjust those odds and point spreads, to make $$$$$$$$$$, not tell us who the actual favorites are.I understand and I agree with you for the most part. But part of your argument is using Vegas to show how good USC is, claiming that because of the odds they a favorite to win the Pac-12. However, most informed people who follow the Trojans do not think SC will win the Pac 12, or even play in the championship gamer.
Yes. You said it better than I.It's a universal truth that Las Vegas established odds and point spreads, and adjust those odds and point spreads, to make $$$$$$$$$$, not tell us who the actual favorites are.
Why bother arguing with a narrative.