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I think that's a horrible comment. It's a tremendous accomplishment to be drafted. Do you realize they are approximately 3500 to 4000 players eligible to be drafted in any given year ? Around 260 ultimately get selected. Do the math. I hate the Mr. Irrelevant thing too. We should all be in that high of a percentile in our given profession.
 
I think that's a horrible comment. It's a tremendous accomplishment to be drafted. Do you realize they are approximately 3500 to 4000 players eligible to be drafted in any given year ? Around 260 ultimately get selected. Do the math. I hate the Mr. Irrelevant thing too. We should all be in that high of a percentile in our given profession.
Consider the source.
 
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Your comments are showing everyone the fraud you are.
 
Fact: Golson5 closing in on 26,000 posts 😂

Fiction/Delusion: Living with Patty 😂

Your comments are showing everyone the fraud you are.
Come on after you two had your little meet up, you've been showing each other your skill sets 🤣🤣

The only person you have a bigger crush on than Angeli is Patty.
 
I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.
 
I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.
If you peruse the Cleveland depth chart, Shedeur may start for Kevin Stefanski and Browns OC Tommy Rees, or be QB2.

It's a good landing spot IMO for Sanders... with regard to the offensive system that Stefanski likes, and playing time.
 
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I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.
You understand perfectly well the conspiracy theories. It's not about being black, it's about being Deion's son, which makes it irresistible for fans. Because that is some irresistible fodder for people who are inclined to that shit. It's bonkers, and wrong, but way too juicy to resist. If anything being Deion's son has lifted his profile way higher than it ever would have been without it. And this online cult of personality has formed around him. 'Shed' Sanders, football royalty, the heir to the Sanders dynasty. And the adoring masses that hail him.

I just think he's not that good. He was never worth a 1st round pick. After looking into it a little more. If he had conducted himself way more professionally all the way through the pre draft process, he might have been a 1st rounder, and that would have been because of Deion, as with all the hype he received the last two seasons. His chops, his game film alone are not 1st round caliber under any circumstances.
 
If you peruse the Cleveland depth chart, Shedeur may start for Kevin Stefanski and Browns OC Tommy Rees, or be QB2.

It's a good landing spot IMO for Sanders... with regard to the offensive system that Stefanski likes, and playing time.
Or be on the practice squad
 
I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.
As far as the ESPN outrage regarding Shedeur, analysts on TV such as Mel Kiper and others are paid to do that.

And based on your response here, it works.
 
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I read Sanders took a personal phone while in a pre draft meeting with the Giants. Not a good look.
 
I read Sanders took a personal phone while in a pre draft meeting with the Giants. Not a good look.
The video of the kid in the University Of Mississippi dorm room...who prank called Shedeur pretending to be GM Mickey Loomis of the NO Saints, and who is the 19-year-old son of the Atlanta Falcons DC, is not a good look as well.
 
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As far as the ESPN outrage regarding Shedeur, analysts on TV such as Mel Kiper and others are paid to do that.

And based on your response here, it works.
I didn't watch Mel Kiper. Basing my opinion on many articles I've read so as usual you are incorrect.
 
I didn't watch Mel Kiper. Basing my opinion on many articles I've read so as usual you are incorrect.
Articles??? It's called "...click bait."

And again, it works.

Try forming your own opinions.
 
I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.

Yes, it became quite a soap opera. I don't profess to have the knowledge or understanding of the game to be able to evaluate NFL talent as an NFL GM might, but from what I saw of Sanders he has so so size, a decent but not great arm, and he isn't particulary mobile in the pocket. He often held on to the ball too long, resulting in sacks, though in his defense he played behind a poor offensive line. His character questions were the most troubling to me. He has apparently never had to compete for a position at any level, with his father simply giving him the keys to the car. This seems to have led to a feeling of entitlement. He threw teammates under the bus from time to time, and if the story about him accepting a face time call during an interview with an NFL coach is true--and apparently it is--this is a serious red flag about his judgment. It is hardly surprising to me that NFL teams backed away from selecting a player that brings so many potential headaches with him. Who wants that trouble with a player that is likely to be an NFL back up player? I don't get all the outrage. Kiper and Bayless are out of their minds.
 
Yes, it became quite a soap opera. I don't profess to have the knowledge or understanding of the game to be able to evaluate NFL talent as an NFL GM might, but from what I saw of Sanders he has so so size, a decent but not great arm, and he isn't particulary mobile in the pocket. He often held on to the ball too long, resulting in sacks, though in his defense he played behind a poor offensive line. His character questions were the most troubling to me. He has apparently never had to compete for a position at any level, with his father simply giving him the keys to the car. This seems to have led to a feeling of entitlement. He threw teammates under the bus from time to time, and if the story about him accepting a face time call during an interview with an NFL coach is true--and apparently it is--this is a serious red flag about his judgment. It is hardly surprising to me that NFL teams backed away from selecting a player that brings so many potential headaches with him. Who wants that trouble with a player that is likely to be an NFL back up player? I don't get all the outrage. Kiper and Bayless are out of their minds.
No size?

Dillon Gabriel measured 5-11, 205 at the NFL combine, and went in round 3.

Sanders measured 6-1.5, 218.
 
I find all this outrage over where Shedeur Sanders was drafted ridiculous. Many players were drafted lower than they had hoped or were projected to be selected. Happens every year. No conspiracy theories for those players ? By many accounts he had poor job interviews. That hurts many prospective applicants in every profession. Apparently the juice wasn't worth the higher compensation squeeze for most teams.
The late David Carter, a Western Kentucky graduate who spent nine seasons in the NFL, was drafted in the 6th round, the 165th pick. It doesn't matter where you get picked...it's what you do once you get picked. Dave was an offensive lineman who played for HS football for Vincennes, drafted by the Oilers, and followed Bum Phillips to New Orleans.
 
Yes, it became quite a soap opera. I don't profess to have the knowledge or understanding of the game to be able to evaluate NFL talent as an NFL GM might, but from what I saw of Sanders he has so so size, a decent but not great arm, and he isn't particulary mobile in the pocket. He often held on to the ball too long, resulting in sacks, though in his defense he played behind a poor offensive line. His character questions were the most troubling to me. He has apparently never had to compete for a position at any level, with his father simply giving him the keys to the car. This seems to have led to a feeling of entitlement. He threw teammates under the bus from time to time, and if the story about him accepting a face time call during an interview with an NFL coach is true--and apparently it is--this is a serious red flag about his judgment. It is hardly surprising to me that NFL teams backed away from selecting a player that brings so many potential headaches with him. Who wants that trouble with a player that is likely to be an NFL back up player? I don't get all the outrage. Kiper and Bayless are out of their minds.
I have watched Shedeur play, and Dillon Gabriel numerous times because I watch Oregon a bunch. All I will say is that Shedeur going two rounds after Gabriel, and after Jalen Milroe, goes beyond the skill set, IMO.
 
The late David Carter, a Western Kentucky graduate who spent nine seasons in the NFL, was drafted in the 6th round, the 165th pick. It doesn't matter where you get picked...it's what you do once you get picked. Dave was an offensive lineman who played for HS football for Vincennes, drafted by the Oilers, and followed Bum Phillips to New Orleans.
It does matter where you get picked, as in millions of guaranteed money if you are drafted high.
 
Dave was part of the "Luv You Blue" era...not like the big contracts of today. Also, prove your worth, and you will get paid.
Last season OL Joe Alt received a 21-million dollar bonus, and a 33.2 million guaranteed contract.

Also OL Blake Fisher 6.5 million guaranteed, and that was late Round 2.

Where you are drafted matters.
 
He didn't say no size. He said so so

Exactly. The average starting NFL QB is 6'3". So Sanders is slightly shorter than the average QB, ergo, I said he had so so size. But I didn't say he lacks size; he just doesn't have prototypical size. Admittedly Gabriel is very short in stature.
 
Last season OL Joe Alt received a 21-million dollar bonus, and a 33.2 million guaranteed contract.

Also OL Blake Fisher 6.5 million guaranteed, and that was late Round 2.

Where you are drafted matters.
Yes, if you're a top draft prospect, but for late draftees, getting the chance to make the team and get paid later matters too. Ask Tom Brady?
 
Exactly. The average starting NFL QB is 6'3". So Sanders is slightly shorter than the average QB, ergo, I said he had so so size. But I didn't say he lacks size; he just doesn't have prototypical size. Admittedly Gabriel is very short in stature.
When the Browns went with Dillon Gabriel in Round 3, that is when I said, OK, this goes beyond the skill set.
 
I have watched Shedeur play, and Dillon Gabriel numerous times because I watch Oregon a bunch. All I will say is that Shedeur going two rounds after Gabriel, and after Jalen Milroe, goes beyond the skill set, IMO.
To each his own, I guess. I think Gabriel has more QB skills than Sanders, but he lacks size, so hard to see him making it in the NFL. While Sanders may turn out to be the better QB, I have my doubts. And as far as it going "beyond the skill set," that is precisely the point I tried to make. Too much baggage comes with Sanders, and that is why NFL teams were backing off; it wasn't the skills.
 
Yes, if you're a top draft prospect, but for late draftees, getting the chance to make the team and get paid later matters too. Ask Tom Brady?
Get drafted in Rounds 6-7, you are expendable with regard to a roster spot.

There are always outliers.
 
The late David Carter, a Western Kentucky graduate who spent nine seasons in the NFL, was drafted in the 6th round, the 165th pick. It doesn't matter where you get picked...it's what you do once you get picked. Dave was an offensive lineman who played for HS football for Vincennes, drafted by the Oilers, and followed Bum Phillips to New Orleans.
You're the one who stated..."...it does not matter where you get picked..."

It does.
 
To each his own, I guess. I think Gabriel has more QB skills than Sanders, but he lacks size, so hard to see him making it in the NFL. While Sanders may turn out to be the better QB, I have my doubts. And as far as it going "beyond the skill set," that is precisely the point I tried to make. Too much baggage comes with Sanders, and that is why NFL teams were backing off; it wasn't the skills.
Cam Ward measured 6-2 at the NFL Combine.
 
And all of these guys were drafted before the ACCenshitification of NDs schedule. I'm talking about present ND. Based on the results of the first couple of rounds, the SEC & BIG10 are being respected by NFL front offices far more than any other conference. This probably means they trust the film/evals/numbers/performance to translate well to the highest level maybe more so than some of the other conferences. They probably aren't penalizing guys as harshly for suspect combine numbers in those conferences as well. It could also just be a reflection of the SEC & BIG10 monopolizing most of the elite blue chip talent out of HS in recent years.
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You're the one who stated..."...it does not matter where you get picked..."

It does.
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For Sanders, money doesn’t matter much..might make less than in college though, will need to reel in that Gav/Pelosi lifestyle
 
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You're the one who stated..."...it does not matter where you get picked..."

It does.
For Sanders, money doesn’t matter much..might make less than in college though, will need to reel in that Gav/Pelosi lifestyle
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When your dad has a net worth of 45-million and you drive a $400,000.00 Rolls Royce,, you are correct.
 
If the reports are true that not only did Sanders take a facetime call during his NFL interview, he stayed on it the entire time; then yikes. If I were interviewing him for a job I would end the interview and thank him for coming. Also his draft room with "Legendary" written all over the walls? He's not even that good. The only way you consider is if he has talent like his dad, which he does not. Good luck to the Browns.
 
Articles??? It's called "...click bait."

And again, it works.

Try forming your own opinions.
Advice from you ? I'll pass. I don't read click bait. I read respected journalists some that I know right here in Cincinnati. My opinion is mine formed from actual research or personal experience in any given subject matter. I don't opine on things I don't know much about. I leave that too folks like you.
 
Get drafted in Rounds 6-7, you are expendable with regard to a roster spot.

There are always outliers.
Well over 90% of draft picks in any given year make rosters. Those that don't are the outliers. Educate yourself on the subject matter and you won't sound silly. In 2023 for example only 15 of 253 picks did not make rosters.
 
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Cam Ward measured 6-2 at the NFL Combine.
And your point is?

Cam Ward has comparable size to Sanders but has a far superior arm and better mobility. And he doesn't bring all the baggage. It's been predicted for months he would go first in this year's NFL draft. This year's QB class was pretty meh, but he was the best.

Not sure why you want to argue about this.
 
And your point is?

Cam Ward has comparable size to Sanders but has a far superior arm and better mobility. And he doesn't bring all the baggage. It's been predicted for months he would go first in this year's NFL draft. This year's QB class was pretty meh, but he was the best.

Not sure why you want to argue about this.
You had emphasized Sanders height as to why he would struggle in the NFL. That is why I posted that.
 
Come on after you two had your little meet up, you've been showing each other your skill sets 🤣🤣

The only person you have a bigger crush on than Angeli is Patty.
The funniest thing is I didn't even mention you in my comment and you attacked me.

It's awesome knowing I'm living rent free in your head.
 
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