Ha! Good one.Far less likely to qualify for the Pinstripe Bowl.
Why can't Notre Dame be a national brand in a national conference like the Big 10? Ohio State, Michigan State, and now USC do itWe lose our uniqueness, our identity, our brand, our national appeal
We lose our own tv contact and become just like everyone else.
We become a regional school
We lose our independence and freedom amd power
Why don't you visit the Buckeye Board and tell FOSU fans what Ohio State Football should do.Why can't Notre Dame be a national brand in a national conference like the Big 10? Ohio State, Michigan State, and now USC do it
You get a better TV contract with more money and more exposure on more than 1 big name network
Notre Dame most certainly would not become a regional school. They would still likely play football games in 3 timezones like they do every year
You lose your independence sure, and your "freedom and uniqueness" (whatever that means), but Notre Dame would not lose any power in the future of CFB. In fact, you could make the argument that they will lose power in shaping the future of CFB if things keep trending the way they are with these 2 super conferences
The mere thought of going to the Big 10 and aligning ourselves with Michigan gives me nausea.We lose our uniqueness, our identity, our brand, our national appeal
We lose our own tv contact and become just like everyone else.
We become a regional school
We lose our independence and freedom amd power
Why can't you come up with a mature and reasonable response like a grown adult?Why don't you visit the Buckeye Board and tell FOSU fans what Ohio State Football should do.
Why can't Notre Dame be a national brand in a national conference like the Big 10? Ohio State, Michigan State, and now USC do it
You get a better TV contract with more money and more exposure on more than 1 big name network
Notre Dame most certainly would not become a regional school. They would still likely play football games in 3 timezones like they do every year
You lose your independence sure, and your "freedom and uniqueness" (whatever that means), but Notre Dame would not lose any power in the future of CFB. In fact, you could make the argument that they will lose power in shaping the future of CFB if things keep trending the way they are with these 2 super conferences
They will regress to the means but they aren't dropping that far. Don't forget there will be 2 and possibly 3 california schools joining the conference. It's not like ND will be losing exposure and playing all their games in a thousand mile radius. Who knows what Notre Dame could do with an extra 40 million per year ever year in their athletic department.Because we are not a state school and we don’t churn out 20k new fans a year with an 80k enrollment. ND is not in a big city. They are not in a football rich state and they are not state affiliated. What keeps them ND is their national brand that they control.
Im a decade ND would be on the decline and in 3 decades they would be like Army or Navy.
You think Michigan State is a national program LOLWhy can't Notre Dame be a national brand in a national conference like the Big 10? Ohio State, Michigan State, and now USC do it
You get a better TV contract with more money and more exposure on more than 1 big name network
Notre Dame most certainly would not become a regional school. They would still likely play football games in 3 timezones like they do every year
You lose your independence sure, and your "freedom and uniqueness" (whatever that means), but Notre Dame would not lose any power in the future of CFB. In fact, you could make the argument that they will lose power in shaping the future of CFB if things keep trending the way they are with these 2 super conferences
You've been saying the same thing for how long now. We've all responded. Why are you continuing to bring it up.Why can't you come up with a mature and reasonable response like a grown adult?
I provide solid opinions but you can't get over your fixation that I'm a fan of another team. Maybe you just have nothing interesting to say
Yes, many or all of those elements could wholly or in part DISAPPEAR.ND would lose its brand. It's identity. Also would likely lose its contract with NBC. It would take away from the mystique of ND being the only competitive school who can be independent and not have to follow the status quo.
With that said, it would be another tradition lost for CFB. That’s what pains me the most about the ever shifting landscape of CFB. Leaving conferences. Ending rivalries. NIL. No longer about loyalty and representing your school with pride.
CFB needs to hold onto as much tradition as it can and also figure out way to increase parity. Anyway, that's my rant. I don't ever want to see ND in a conference.
Advil please.Yes, many or all of those elements could wholly or in part DISAPPEAR.
So what?
ND would still play football, and NEW TRADITIONS WOULD ARISE AND EVOLVE. Kids growing up with ND in a conference would not know -- OR CARE NECESSARILY -- about the ANCIENT AND HEROIC days of INDEPENDENCE.
Two generations in -- and well past OUR LIFETIMES -- it wouldn't matter a whit.
Money drives all sports, including college sports. Maximizing monetization opportunities requires ever greater expansion on one hand and ever greater efficiencies on the other.
And to DO THAT, there needs to be greater organization and formalization as you can't otherwise accommodate the GROWTH that PRODUCES MORE DOUGH.
For me, trying to maintain ND as it currently operates is like ADVOCATING FOR AMISH FARM LIFE. Or investing in BUGGY WHIPS at the turn of the 20th century.
Money will call the tune here, and once ND realizes which is the shortest and most LUCRATIVE ROUTE to it, THAT'S WHERE IT WILL HEAD -- even if with a "heavy heart."
One way or the other, THERE WILL BE CHANGE AT SOME POINT. Hey, who foresaw the ACC deal or one-year conference membership? Were THOSE acts of INDEPENDENCE?
No, ND NEEDED THOSE AFFILIATIONS and to a large extent, will continue to need them, moving ahead.
It won't be the end of the world, JUST OF THE WORLD WE KNOW.
ND still CAN be a national brand.Why can't Notre Dame be a national brand in a national conference like the Big 10? Ohio State, Michigan State, and now USC do it
You get a better TV contract with more money and more exposure on more than 1 big name network
Notre Dame most certainly would not become a regional school. They would still likely play football games in 3 timezones like they do every year
You lose your independence sure, and your "freedom and uniqueness" (whatever that means), but Notre Dame would not lose any power in the future of CFB. In fact, you could make the argument that they will lose power in shaping the future of CFB if things keep trending the way they are with these 2 super conferences
If playing Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, Rutgers, Minnesota, And Purdue annually excites you, wonderful.Why can't you come up with a mature and reasonable response like a grown adult?
I provide solid opinions but you can't get over your fixation that I'm a fan of another team. Maybe you just have nothing interesting to say
Are you saying that ND, as its just deserts for remaining independent, is going from $15 million in TV revenue to $100 to $150 million?ND would lose it's exclusive contract with whichever network is in their future. They would also be required to split any proceeds of bowl games with their new conference.
So, since ND could potentially be looking at as much as 100-150 million in TV revenues going forward, plus the proceeds of their bowl games, MONEY is what would be lost. And that is something the school will fight hard to protect...
Why don't you visit the Buckeye Board and tell FOSU fans what Ohio State Football should do.
Certain ones definitely.Is this how you were taught to treat guests?
Lose its identity??? How???ND would lose its brand. It's identity. Also would likely lose its contract with NBC. It would take away from the mystique of ND being the only competitive school who can be independent and not have to follow the status quo.
With that said, it would be another tradition lost for CFB. That’s what pains me the most about the ever shifting landscape of CFB. Leaving conferences. Ending rivalries. NIL. No longer about loyalty and representing your school with pride.
CFB needs to hold onto as much tradition as it can and also figure out way to increase parity. Anyway, that's my rant. I don't ever want to see ND in a conference.
75 million is for home games ONLY. As you say, assets have shot up in value, and ND is currently getting 22 million from NBC. So, 75 does not seem that much of a stretch.Right now, ND is apparently asking NBC for $75 million.
Which means nothing to recruiting.Lose its identity??? How???
B10 schools like Minnesota makes more TV revenue from the B10 network that ND does with NBC.
Are you saying it will hurt or help recruiting?Which means nothing to recruiting.
Minnesota will always be Minnesota.
Who gives a shit about NDs money?Lose its identity??? How???
B10 schools like Minnesota makes more TV revenue from the B10 network that ND does with NBC.
If ND and the B1G can make the same deal as the one ND has with the ACC by playing five big ten games on NBC and three rivalries. An agreement would be a win-win for both parties. The B1G needs content for all three networks. ND brings that with its national schedule and the flexibility to schedule games and the brand that would play on fox, CBS, and NBC. The B1G will insist ND move their Olympic sports to the B1G. ND will Stay with NBC 330pm slot. ND will get their 75 mils if they agree to play five big ten teams annually. ND's biggest rivalries are all in the B1G. Mich, Purdue, MSU, Penn st, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Ohio st. I want ND to stay Independent. I like the b1G to play ND stay by putting them in the B1G National footprint. If the powers to be can make it happen, then it is a win-win.....What do you think about that?ND still CAN be a national brand.
ND CAN get a better TV contract.
ND will NEVER be just another regional school.
ND might lose "freedom and uniqueness" ONLY TO GAIN A REALISTIC FUTURE.
Times change.
The current contract was BACKLOADED, so the $22 million isn't indicative of the contract's TERM VALUE which in reality averages $15 million per year. So, we're talking at $15 million, a 500% increase and at $22 million one of almost 350%. Who hands out raises like that?75 million is for home games ONLY. As you say, assets have shot up in value, and ND is currently getting 22 million from NBC. So, 75 does not seem that much of a stretch.
That is for the home games, or half the season. Then you have the away games. How much are they worth to CBS/NFLX? Or, how many ND fans would just pay ND directly to stream away games. That could be another 40 or 50 million. Per year. Over 10 years, that's maybe 25-50 million more than b1g conference teams are getting per year. Or, 250-500 million over 10 years. That's a LOT of money.
It's a reasonable compromise as well as a potential penultimate move towards full conference membership. Or not. But I don't see it as REAL INDEPENDENCE -- because there's an obvious DEPENDENCY FACTOR. Which is that ND needs comparable TV money; other schools' willingness to allow it to retain CFP eligibility; and a home for its other sports.If ND and the B1G can make the same deal as the one ND has with the ACC by playing five big ten games on NBC and three rivalries. An agreement would be a win-win for both parties. The B1G needs content for all three networks. ND brings that with its national schedule and the flexibility to schedule games and the brand that would play on fox, CBS, and NBC. The B1G will insist ND move their Olympic sports to the B1G. ND will Stay with NBC 330pm slot. ND will get their 75 mils if they agree to play five big ten teams annually. ND's biggest rivalries are all in the B1G. Mich, Purdue, MSU, Penn st, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Ohio st. I want ND to stay Independent. I like the b1G to play ND stay by putting them in the B1G National footprint. If the powers to be can make it happen, then it is a win-win.....What do you think about that?
Brian Kelly struggled to beat most of those teams listed.In 10 years we would be the same as the other non-state schools that push education. We could compete with Vanderbuilt, Northwestern, Stanford and Duke.
Would be great.
I would love to see ND play a better schedule then. This is three years in a row now that ND plays a trash home schedule.ND would lose its brand. It's identity. Also would likely lose its contract with NBC. It would take away from the mystique of ND being the only competitive school who can be independent and not have to follow the status quo.
With that said, it would be another tradition lost for CFB. That’s what pains me the most about the ever shifting landscape of CFB. Leaving conferences. Ending rivalries. NIL. No longer about loyalty and representing your school with pride.
CFB needs to hold onto as much tradition as it can and also figure out way to increase parity. Anyway, that's my rant. I don't ever want to see ND in a conference.
I feel the same way about Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and Louisville every year. I’d love it if ND stayed independent but not if the schedule doesn’t pick up.If playing Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, Rutgers, Minnesota, And Purdue annually excites you, wonderful.
I’m not interested in being Northwestern.
ND would lose its brand. It's identity. Also would likely lose its contract with NBC. It would take away from the mystique of ND being the only competitive school who can be independent and not have to follow the status quo.
With that said, it would be another tradition lost for CFB. That’s what pains me the most about the ever shifting landscape of CFB. Leaving conferences. Ending rivalries. NIL. No longer about loyalty and representing your school with pride.
CFB needs to hold onto as much tradition as it can and also figure out way to increase parity. Anyway, that's my rant. I don't ever want to see ND in a conference.
Like playing OSU, Clemson, USC, Texas AM, Miami ?I feel the same way about Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and Louisville every year. I’d love it if ND stayed independent but not if the schedule doesn’t pick up.
Okayyy LolActually, although it hasn’t been officially announced yet, it appears your “contract with NBC” has either been drastically affected to where you will be locked out of any night games at home beginning in 2023, or, Swarbrick has already given a “silent verbal” to NBC that you will be joining the Big Ten.
Indications are that Kevin Warren has negotiated an exclusive 7:30 PM window with NBC to televise Big Ten Games ONLY in that time slot beginning next year. Of course if Notre Dame is a Big Ten member, that is totally irrelevant. But if they are Independent, they will be locked out of being able to play a Home game at night.
There are some other things in that contract that may negatively affect Notre Dame wrt NBC programming unless Notre Dame is a full time Big Ten member. But since the details haven’t been publicly announced yet, and the possibility that any negatives become totally irrelevant if Notre Dame does in fact become a member, I won’t get into those right now.
In short, the tea leaves seem to indicate that if you stay with NBC, you will be joining the Big Ten.
Have you been on campus lately???Who gives a shit about NDs money?
They have and will always have a boatload of it. Money will never be an issue
We will also be getting a huge bump in our next tv contract and apparel contact.
Why are you obsessed with NDs money
Thank God you are not the Notre Dame AD.Have you been on campus lately???
All of the upgrades takes $$$$.
The biggest issue will be qualifying for the CFP. At anytime ND could be on the outside looking in when it comes to qualifying for the CFP.
Are you willing to stay independent and keep your worthless independent tradition if it means ND can no longer qualify for the CFP because only Conferance champions make the playoffs or you have to belong to a conference period???
There are zero reasons to stay independent. How do I know this?
BECAUSE EVERY TOP TEAM IN THE PAST 20 YEARS BELONGS TO A CONFERANCE AND THEY ARE DOING JUST FINE.
Some teams are actually doing better than independent Notre Dame.
Better in revenue
Better in recruiting
Better in wins
Better in championships
ND will NOT be hurt in anyway if they joined a conference.
We lose our uniqueness, our identity, our brand, our national appeal
We lose our own tv contact and become just like everyone else.
We become a regional school
We lose our independence and freedom amd power