Knapp
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Knapp had rough start but ended up playing well after first quarter… he’s not a tackle
He’s at his best helping or going off one block to second level.. perfect for a center
He’s at his best helping or going off one block to second level.. perfect for a center
Playing tackle will make him a great center. Going from the edge to a phone booth
Agreed. 6 games in and he is still suffering
He got destroyed in the 2nd quarter that almost killed our drive. Leonard made a crazy escape. Spin moved out of it. Did you miss that one?
Normal qb that's an easy sack
Couldn’t remember if that was end of first or early second
That was just last bad play I remember, but then did well with a lot of critical double blocks in the run game
Yes he's a good run blocker.
He's not a left tackle. He's going to be a really good interior player.
I dont what they could do because he's a plus in the run game and a negative in the pass game.
Exactly. Knapp still has major problems with inside rush moves. He’s exposed on an island at tackle, and needs to move inside. The sack he gave up in the first qtr was classic in terms of his major pass blocking weakness. And I agree, he is a good run blocker. I thought the holding call on his was really weak.
But I think we’re stuck with him at tackle for the remainder of the year. I think if there was any possibility of Guerby winning the position mid year, it was with this bye week and playing Stanford.
Anyone hear how Lambert has looked? Can he start at T next season?
Lambert
Pendleton
Craig
Coogan
Schrauth
Jagusah
Knapp
Wagner
Absher
Wow....that's a deep talented group. Can only play 5. Some tough decisions will have to be made.
Maybe 1 or 2 or maybe 3 hit the portal.
If Coogan can go somewhere and get locked in for 12 starts, I wouldn't mind seeing him do that. Awesome guy, and if he wants to play.....then go play. He's earned it. But all in all, I'm hopeful he stays. He's an ND man, and he can be trusted at 3 positions.
Maybe Absher transfers?
Just speculating here.
The 25 and 26 OL groups will be loaded.
No, that’s just for this year… the ultimate question is what position does jagusah play when he’s back, I hope it’s guard and lambert is LT next year
Lambert
Jagusah
Craig
Schrauth
Wagner
That's our most talented OL next year. I dont think Lambert has ever played left tackle though
With Knapp and Absher as the top 2 backups.
That's assuming Spindler and Coogan move elsewhere. If they don't they would extremely quality backups and we would be legit 9 deep on the OL
A certain poster was all over my case this summer for inferring that maybe Jagusah moves to Guard at some point.
Wow I forgot about him. He would be a very valuable member of the 2nd team in that scenario
That would make us 10 deep
I agree about that holding call he got early in the game. Ridiculous call.
This is where the transfer portal gets damn tricky for ND. If your Pendleton and Knapp who will have started all this season, how do you accept being a back up next year? In knapp’s case I think he would embrace a move to the interior, and sitting a year behind Craig might be tolerable as he learns a new position. But for Pendleton, losing his starting left guard to a left tackle who hasn’t played a down this year, would be really hard to swallow. The one advantage is Rudolph has shown he will play who he sees as best, and he’s not going to give undo credit just based on experience. Rocco and Coogan can attest to this. Hope they stay and compete.
I think the holding call on him was fair. Good call. What’s irritating was Garrett saying you’re going to get that called every time if there’s restriction. Obviously players get away with it all the time.
He may lose his job here soon.
What are they going to do when Schrauth comes back? Who is coming off the field, Pendleton or Spindler?
Prior to yesterday, I would say Rocco. But he had a damn good game against Stanford. Has Rocco played a down at LG for ND? I know that’s where he trained as a freshman, etc…
Fighting…your last sentence is the context of my real complaint. There is holding on damn near every play. Most games limit holding calls to flagrant holds that are impactful. Personally, I didn’t think Knapp’s “hold” was either.
It didn’t look minor to me even if it wasn’t egregious (somewhere in the middle). He holds him for a decent amount of time and continues the hold after Leonard begins his escape to the outside. That was a defensive tackle too. It’s unfortunate that some calls get made while others get missed, but that was enough of a hold to warrant a flag IMO.
It might seem more minor to you because that was a defensive tackle and an athletic QB. I don’t think it’s fair to not call it just because it happened to be a DT and athletic QB (not that I think that entered the official’s mind).
The issue is more that Stanford appeared to get away with a much worse hold against Junior but I haven’t reviewed the play yet.
We can see it differently. Fun part of this forum. I don’t think his holding became an infraction until his arms extended and that’s the restriction Garrett referred to. I just felt that that part of the holding was very short lived and of no impact as I thought Leonard was already out of reach at that point. But I haven’t seen a replay on my own, and look forward to watching the recorded game tomorrow. And yes, the no call on the hold against Jr was more blatant and impactful which goes to the heart of my bitch…not to mention the numerous no call holds by Louisville in that game. The players just want consistency, at least within each game.
Let me know what you think after rewatching. I’ve seen the play a bunch and feel he deserved to be flagged. It’s the length of time for me and that he was holding him before Leonard made his escape and after. What’s more irritating is that Knapp didn’t need to hold him as he had good positioning. It probably didn’t impact the play but the official doesn’t automatically know that when it happens. It wasn’t a tacky call though IMO.
Just watched my recording. Not looking for a middle ground here, but tend to agree with you that it looked like an easy hold call in real time. But, when you watch and rewatch the play, you see that Knapp correctly engaged and legally held inside the shoulders, and his mistake, was maintaining his hold for a brief second as the Stanford player tries to disengage and Knapp extends his arms. So, yes an easy call because it was apparent in open space and technically holding, but I still believe it was a soft call considering the amount of more impactful holding that occurs on damn near every pass play.
I believe it is a common misconception that a lineman can legally hold within the framework of the defender. This isn’t the case IMO and the NFL actually explicitly states this. It’s just less likely that you will be called if you hold by grabbing the defender inside. It’s still illegal.
Since he was already illegally holding him, that extends the length of the hold and makes it a more severe hold.
What happened on the Tuihalamaka play is separate. That should have been called too but I’d guess the official missed it somehow.
You’re correct as to “legal” holding. Technically, no such thing. Reality, in terms of what is or is not called, is somewhat different. But, if you get outside of the shoulders or extend when grabbing, it’s nearly automatic, which is what happened with Knapp.
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