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Kentucky wants to make their athletic dept. a company

It makes sense. Limit liability, and isolate revenue sharing to the LLC as opposed to the entire institution.
 
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Can’t wait to see new ubiforms. On the front,, Kentucky fried chicken logo. On the back,
Brought to you by; UK LLC
 
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They're the first to go public but is a discussion currently going on at a lot of places.
Who would the OWNER-MEMBERS be? Is anyone talking PRIVATE EQUITY on top of this?

Or ultimately SPINNING OFF these LLC's? Or even SWAPPING them for other income streams? Assuming this becomes a THING.

After all, if you have streams of MARKET CAPITAL available, who needs a UNIVERSITY in a not-for-profit ownership role?

What we could wind up with here is something akin to a COMMERCIAL YOUTH-FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Something that FUTURE GRANDADS will tell their grandchildren arose out of a thing called COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

The only things that matter are TALENT, THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT and a FAN BASE.

No need for UNIVERSITIES.

Yep, check your APPENDIX at the door.
 
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It makes sense. Limit liability, and isolate revenue sharing to the LLC as opposed to the entire institution.
Yes and no

If the University of Kentucky is the 100% shareholder in the LLC, then revenue would pass to the University of Kentucky tax free.

So the question is who are the shareholders in the LLC:
 
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Yes and no

If the University of Kentucky is the 100% shareholder in the LLC, then revenue would pass to the University of Kentucky tax free.

So the question is who are the shareholders in the LLC:
But they aren’t. It’s self funded
 
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But they aren’t. It’s self funded
Self-funding is irrelevant.

LLC’s are pass-through entities which allows the incoming revenue stream to inure to the benefit of the shareholder/s …………… The University of Kentucky
 

Self-funding is irrelevant.

LLC’s are pass-through entities which allows the incoming revenue stream to inure to the benefit of the shareholder/s …………… The University of Kentucky
A trust.
 
Trusts pay income taxes at a rate up to 35 % so you wouldn’t want a trust being THE shareholder in an LLC

Who would be the trust beneficiaries?

Who would the trustees be?

Tax wise, it makes sense for the University of Kentucky to be the shareholder and operating partner of the LLC
 
If a trust is the sole shareholder in the LLC, it’s irrelevant as to whether or not the athletic department is showing a loss or a gain.

In addition, the athletic department is not a separate legal/tax entity onto itself, it’s part of the University of Kentucky, which is a 501 C3

A trust being the sole shareholder of an LLC, would defeat the purpose in terms of tax efficiency.

The University of Kentucky should be the sole shareholder, thus avoiding all income taxation
 
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Self-funding is irrelevant.

LLC’s are pass-through entities which allows the incoming revenue stream to inure to the benefit of the shareholder/s …………… The University of Kentucky
University not funding it. If you want to play tax expert hire one
 
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If a trust is the sole shareholder in the LLC, it’s irrelevant as to whether or not the athletic department is showing a loss or a gain.

In addition, the athletic department is not a separate legal/tax entity onto itself, it’s part of the University of Kentucky, which is a 501 C3

A trust being the sole shareholder of an LLC, would defeat the purpose in terms of tax efficiency.

The University of Kentucky should be the sole shareholder, thus avoiding all income taxation
All GOOD POINTS in each of your posts on this.

And I say this as someone who, while not a lawyer, not only spent years working in financial markets but also has a Masters in NON-PROFIT FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

In line with my earlier post, my take on this is that the sheer force of the MONEY SUCTION introducing LLC’s into college football will create will soon challenge EXCLUSIVE UNIVERSITY OWNERSHIP.

The income streams in CFB are simply TOO LARGE not to attract PRIVATE EQUITY CAPITAL.

And not surprisingly, Forbes, thinks likewise.

I hadn’t read the article I’ve linked below prior to spotting the private equity connection myself and, so, didn’t realize how far along the business community has already proceeded in its thinking on this novel opportunity.

And since recent days haven’t been the greatest for private equity, you can be sure its interest in CFB will only grow stronger.

Here’s the article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joemog...tys-next-big-shopping-spree-college-football/

Some excerpts from it:

1.

“These are professional student athletes, and the teams are major sports franchises. But, at the same time, it’s an industry that is being heavily disrupted. In other words, college football is a ripe hunting ground for hedge funds and private equity.

“We’ve arrived at this point because of a potent mix of explosive growth and poor leadership. The NCAA has fumbled repeatedly during the NIL transition, and most athletic directors are ill-equipped to run businesses generating tens of millions in revenue annually.

2.

While many in college athletics may scoff at this idea, it’s entirely plausible under current conditions. Investors are already out pitching to schools and conferences. The Big Ten Conference is already taking bids with an assist from Evercore.

3.

In all likelihood, the first university to sign a major deal will likely be a smaller Power Four football program. While the biggest programs will have no problem paying players and putting together big NIL packages, smaller schools will likely struggle to be competitive. This is the opening that a firm needs. They’ll approach one of these smaller programs with an offer of $150 million (or more) for 51% of the say in how they run their football program.

4.

For an AD with little business experience trying to put together a winning program, this will look like a good deal. Cash up front to build a team and a promise from the guys in suits to juice revenue in the future. The problem, of course, is that as soon as this deal is done, revenue growth will become the only priority. The investors won’t balk at putting in their own athletics director and putting profits ahead of players, education, fans, and the institution. That’s a horrible, horrible long-term decision for the university, but it’s entirely plausible.

I’m by no means proposing that this is the INEVITABLE FUTURE OF CFB, but it could become part of it and the way that the MORE PROFESSIONAL-MINDED PROGRAMS emancipate themselves from the MORE TRADITIONAL ONES.

And of course it could be the answer to CHASEBALL’S CRUSADE. If he can put together a PRIVATE EQUITY TEAM that is able to convince ND to sell a controlling interest in its program, he could then recruit whoever he wants for as long as he wants and never look back.

Just kidding, of course, on the last point.

BUT, HEY, I COULDN’T RESIST.
 
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University not funding it. If you want to play tax expert hire one
I know that the university isn’t funding the LLC, I never proffered that they were.
why would you imply that they were.


I’m more than adequately versed in this area and don’t need tax counsel
 
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All GOOD POINTS in each of your posts on this.

And I say this as someone who, while not a lawyer, not only spent years working in financial markets but also has a Masters in NON-PROFIT FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

In line with my earlier post, my take on this is that the sheer force of the MONEY SUCTION introducing LLC’s into college football will create will soon challenge EXCLUSIVE UNIVERSITY OWNERSHIP.

The income streams in CFB are simply TOO LARGE not to attract PRIVATE EQUITY CAPITAL.

And not surprisingly, Forbes, thinks likewise.

I hadn’t read the article I’ve linked below prior to spotting the private equity connection myself and, so, didn’t realize how far along the business community has already proceeded in its thinking on this novel opportunity.

And since recent days haven’t been the greatest for private equity, you can be sure its interest in CFB will only grow stronger.

Here’s the article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joemog...tys-next-big-shopping-spree-college-football/

Some excerpts from it:

1.

“These are professional student athletes, and the teams are major sports franchises. But, at the same time, it’s an industry that is being heavily disrupted. In other words, college football is a ripe hunting ground for hedge funds and private equity.

“We’ve arrived at this point because of a potent mix of explosive growth and poor leadership. The NCAA has fumbled repeatedly during the NIL transition, and most athletic directors are ill-equipped to run businesses generating tens of millions in revenue annually.

2.

While many in college athletics may scoff at this idea, it’s entirely plausible under current conditions. Investors are already out pitching to schools and conferences. The Big Ten Conference is already taking bids with an assist from Evercore.

3.

In all likelihood, the first university to sign a major deal will likely be a smaller Power Four football program. While the biggest programs will have no problem paying players and putting together big NIL packages, smaller schools will likely struggle to be competitive. This is the opening that a firm needs. They’ll approach one of these smaller programs with an offer of $150 million (or more) for 51% of the say in how they run their football program.

4.

For an AD with little business experience trying to put together a winning program, this will look like a good deal. Cash up front to build a team and a promise from the guys in suits to juice revenue in the future. The problem, of course, is that as soon as this deal is done, revenue growth will become the only priority. The investors won’t balk at putting in their own athletics director and putting profits ahead of players, education, fans, and the institution. That’s a horrible, horrible long-term decision for the university, but it’s entirely plausible.

I’m by no means proposing that this is the INEVITABLE FUTURE OF CFB, but it could become part of it and the way that the MORE PROFESSIONAL-MINDED PROGRAMS emancipate themselves from the MORE TRADITIONAL ONES.

And of course it could be the answer to CHASEBALL’S CRUSADE. If he can put together a PRIVATE EQUITY TEAM that is able to convince ND to sell a controlling interest in its program, he could then recruit whoever he wants for as long as he wants and never look back.

Just kidding, of course, on the last point.

BUT, HEY, I COULDN’T RESIST.
It’s certainly an unpleasant possibility and I could envision the major networks being significant players

One possible way for the NCAA to regain control would be by establishing universal academic standards for incoming and outgoing transferees.

Sort of a “must attend class and achieve a set grade point average” to be admitted, with a special rule for graduates with remaining eligibility
 
I know that the university isn’t funding the LLC, I never proffered that they were.
why would you imply that they were.


I’m more than adequately versed in this area and don’t need tax counsel
Oh I'd definitely say many versions of counseling would benefit you.
 
I know that the university isn’t funding the LLC, I never proffered that they were.
why would you imply that they were.


I’m more than adequately versed in this area and don’t need tax counsel
Sorry misunderstood
 
It’s certainly an unpleasant possibility and I could envision the major networks being significant players

One possible way for the NCAA to regain control would be by establishing universal academic standards for incoming and outgoing transferees.

Sort of a “must attend class and achieve a set grade point average” to be admitted, with a special rule for graduates with remaining eligibility
Well, at some schools that would be one interesting MATCH RACE: MONEY vs. ACADEMIC INTEGRITY. But probably not all that hard to HANDICAP.
 
I suppose if universities start entertaining llcs and private equity funding for the”universities athletic programs they will jeopardize their 501 c status
 
I suppose if universities start entertaining llcs and private equity funding for the”universities athletic programs they will jeopardize their 501 c status
Not if they maintain an arms length relationship vis a vis entity buffers.

The LLC, not the university would be the operating entity.

I’m pretty sure that they’ll structure it so that they preserve their 501 (c)(3) status
 
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