Ian Book Top 10 in 2019 Heisman Odds

[chaseball]

Vegas recently released their heisman odds for 2019 and Ian Book is in the top 10.

1. Trevor Lawrence 3/1
2. Tua Tagovailoa 4/1
3. Jalen Hurts 9/1
4. Travis Etienne 12/1
5. Justin Fields 12/1
6. Jake Fromm 12/1
7. D’Andre Swift 12/1
8. Jonathan Taylor 12/1
9. Ian Book 16/1
10. Sam Ehlinger 16/1
11. Justin Herbert 16/1
12. Jerry Jeudy 25/1
13. Austin Kendall 25/1
14. Shea Patterson 25/1
15. D.J. Moore 28/1
16. K.J. Costello 33/1
17. Adrian Martinez 33/1

https://betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-futures

 

[ftnfan62]

If book is still starting by October, Phil is not the answer. Love book, just not the kind of QB to win a natty I don’t think. Like a TR.

 

[SIhoosier26]

If book is still starting by October, Phil is not the answer. Love book, just not the kind of QB to win a natty I don’t think. Like a TR.

Look, I'm not saying Phil doesn't deserve a shot in the spring, but Book is far better than Rees ever was. If Kelly can actually develop a QB for once in the offseason and Book improves who knows what can happen.

 

[twalsh]

Look I'm not saying Phil doesn't deserve a shot in the spring but Book is far better than Rees ever was. If Kelly can actually develop a QB for once in the offseason and Book improves who knows what can happen.

I kind of feel good about Book next year, after getting all the #1 reps in the spring and the pre-season. I think he'll have a good season.

 

[Toby Smart]

Ian is totally dependent on his support. RBs, WRs, TEs, OL and yes, even the defense to keep the "O" in good field position. Before anyone makes judgement on the young man, you have to ask yourself what kind of success Trevor, Tua, Jalen, Jake, or Kyler would have had if their support personnel was the Irish offense and Chip.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

I kind of feel good about Book next year, after getting all the #1 reps in the spring and the pre-season. I think he'll have a good season.

If he improves, even moderately, he will be spectacular. No reason to think he won’t. Book should be lights out next season. Phil is nothing. Has proven nothing.

 

[chaseball]

I don't think people realize just how rare it is for a QB to be in the top 5 or 10 in PER, A/YA, and COMP%. Those are the stats that do the best job at REALLY isolating a QBs performance.

Ian Book was putting up numbers that rivaled the biggest stars at QB in college football from late Sept through early Nov. I think people are overlooking what might be one of the best players at the position next season. Hoping his arm strength improves this off season and ND develops a breakout star at WR.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

Ian put all that up vs nobodies.

Good QB. Not a strong enough arm to force a defense to be honest.

With Dex gone, ND has zero gamebreakers on offense. Defenses can stack the box, play man, and bring pressure. Nothing on our offense scares an elite defense, nothing.

I would like to know Ian's hand size. We will find out at combine. Bet their on the smaller size and thus the comfort level and ability to grip and rip, just isn't there. Doug Flutie had large hands for his size therefore he could do more with the ball.

I realize it's a different sport, but Phil Jackson said one of the biggest differences between Jordan and Kobe was hand size. Jordan could palm a ball in a way that not even Shaq could, and benefited tremendously from it.

Arm strength and hand size are holding him back.

 

[chaseball]

Ian put all that up vs nobodies.

Good QB. Not a strong enough arm to force a defense to be honest.

With Dex gone, ND has zero gamebreakers on offense. Defenses can stack the box, play man, and bring pressure. Nothing on our offense scares an elite defense, nothing.

I would like to know Ian's hand size. We will find out at combine. Bet their on the smaller size and thus the comfort level and ability to grip and rip, just isn't there. Doug Flutie had large hands for his size therefore he could do more with the ball.

I realize it's a different sport, but Phil Jackson said one of the biggest differences between Jordan and Kobe was hand size. Jordan could palm a ball in a way that not even Shaq could, and benefited tremendously from it.

Arm strength and hand size are holding him back.

Great QBs put up superstar numbers vs nobodies. That's what they are supposed to do.

Book was superman his first 6 starts and then came down to earth a bit. First 6 starts = produced like the best QB in the league. Next 3-4 starts were really good (just not out of this world good) then he struggled vs Clemson but so did Tua.

My belief is if someone can flash that kind of potential/skill that means the skills exist. Now it's just a matter of becoming more consistent and hopefully getting some more help/some higher end players on offense to really help take his game to the next level.

 

[d1042]

If ND had a guy that had that deep speed like Fuller had and could get separation, I think Book’s arm could get the ball far enough.

 

[echowaker]

I don't think people realize just how rare it is for a QB to be in the top 5 or 10 in PER, A/YA, and COMP%. Those are the stats that do the best job at REALLY isolating a QBs performance.

Ian Book was putting up numbers that rivaled the biggest stars at QB in college football from late Sept through early Nov. I think people are overlooking what might be one of the best players at the position next season. Hoping his arm strength improves this off season and ND develops a breakout star at WR.

jury is still out. he put up quality numbers against subpar defenses. looked absolutely in over his head against a high quality defense in Clemson. lots of room for improvement and i believe he will.

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

Vegas recently released their heisman odds for 2019 and Ian Book is in the top 10.

1. Trevor Lawrence 3/1
2. Tua Tagovailoa 4/1
3. Jalen Hurts 9/1
4. Travis Etienne 12/1
5. Justin Fields 12/1
6. Jake Fromm 12/1
7. D’Andre Swift 12/1
8. Jonathan Taylor 12/1
9. Ian Book 16/1
10. Sam Ehlinger 16/1
11. Justin Herbert 16/1
12. Jerry Jeudy 25/1
13. Austin Kendall 25/1
14. Shea Patterson 25/1
15. D.J. Moore 28/1
16. K.J. Costello 33/1
17. Adrian Martinez 33/1

https://betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-futures

Not bad for someone who has “happy feet”, “can’t throw the deep ball”, and “ is as athletic as Tommy Rees”. He is ranked ahead of projected 1st round NFL picks.

 

[echowaker]

Not bad for someone who has “happy feet”, “can’t throw the deep ball”, and “ is as athletic as Tommy Rees”. He is ranked ahead of projected 1st round NFL picks.

if he played for Northwestern he wouldn't be on the list.

 

[twalsh]

Good QB. Not a strong enough arm to force a defense to be honest.

With a starting threesome of Finke, Claypool & Boykin, who are all good, we really didn't have much field stretching ability anyway. But you are right, in instances where we did get behind the defense, many passes were underthrown or thrown less than accurately.

 

[Telx1]

Great QBs put up superstar numbers vs nobodies. That's what they are supposed to do.

Book was superman his first 6 starts and then came down to earth a bit. First 6 starts = produced like the best QB in the league. Next 3-4 starts were really good (just not out of this world good) then he struggled vs Clemson but so did Tua.

My belief is if someone can flash that kind of potential/skill that means the skills exist. Now it's just a matter of becoming more consistent and hopefully getting some more help/some higher end players on offense to really help take his game to the next level.

Well, Book sure as hell wasn’t the transcendent QB you argued in post after post after post, etc... until you acknowledged such after the Clemson game. Not arguing arm strength or hand size, etc... but the proverbial bottom line is Book was below average in his ability to complete long throws, especially down the middle; and this is a fatal shortcoming against top tier defenses. Against Clemson in particular, he panicked and vacated the pocket prematurely on numerous plays and never showed the calm to go through his progressions timely to find open receivers. It’s accurate to say ND didn’t have good speed at receiver, etc... but it’s also accurate to say when these receivers did get open on downfield routes that he missed them terribly, such as Boykins twice against Clemson. I don’t agree that he was really good in his last 3-4 starts, but they were wins, and Book deserves a ton of credit for our 12-0 season. As for suggesting that Tua and Book struggled the same against Clemson is a bit like saying hamburger and steak are both meat. Yes, they both struggled, and while they each threw the ball 34 times, Tua passed for 295 yards and 2 tds while Book passed for 160 yds and no tds. Like most here, I watched a lot of football with the playoffs and the major bowl games, and Book was clearly not among the top tier QBs. I seriously doubt he can elevate his game to this level, but experience is a wonderful teacher and perhaps he can. I sure as hell hope so. But I also hope Phil is given a chance to compete to be the starting QB, as we need to put our best player in every position on the field, not just the most experienced.

 

[echowaker]

Well, Book sure as hell wasn’t the transcendent QB you argued in post after post after post, etc... until you acknowledged such after the Clemson game. Not arguing arm strength or hand size, etc... but the proverbial bottom line is Book was below average in his ability to complete long throws, especially down the middle; and this is a fatal shortcoming against top tier defenses. Against Clemson in particular, he panicked and vacated the pocket prematurely on numerous plays and never showed the calm to go through his progressions timely to find open receivers. It’s accurate to say ND didn’t have good speed at receiver, etc... but it’s also accurate to say when these receivers did get open on downfield routes that he missed them terribly, such as Boykins twice against Clemson. I don’t agree that he was really good in his last 3-4 starts, but they were wins, and Book deserves a ton of credit for our 12-0 season. As for suggesting that Tua and Book struggled the same against Clemson is a bit like saying hamburger and steak are both meat. Yes, they both struggled, and while they each threw the ball 34 times, Tua passed for 295 yards and 2 tds while Book passed for 160 yds and no tds. Like most here, I watched a lot of football with the playoffs and the major bowl games, and Book was clearly not among the top tier QBs. I seriously doubt he can elevate his game to this level, but experience is a wonderful teacher and perhaps he can. I sure as hell hope so. But I also hope Phil is given a chance to compete to be the starting QB, as we need to put our best player in every position on the field, not just the most experienced.

switch Lawrence and Book and Notre Dame wins.

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

if he played for Northwestern he wouldn't be on the list.

True, but neither would Jalen Hurts, who is #3.

 

[echowaker]

True, but neither would Jalen Hurts, who is #3.

agree.

 

[d1042]

switch Lawrence and Book and Notre Dame wins.

No!

 

[chaseball]

Lawrence is viewed by many as the best pure QB prospect to come around since Peyton Manning or something. The way he played in the playoff you can switch him with any QB on any team and that team would have won. Lawrence's profile has catapulted into the stratosphere during the last several weeks of the season/post season.

I was VERY high on Ian Book through his first 6 starts of the season and for good reason. He was completing nearly 80% of his passes at one time and had a passer efficiency rating well into the 200s. These numbers were at the very top of college football. He was also killing it with the RPO/read option and chipping in another 50+ yards in the running game. He was a threat for 400 yards alone every time he took the field.

After the broken ribs his numbers started to slide from "best QB in the game" to merely "very good" and then he and the rest of the offense were dominated vs Clemson. By any standards he had as good a first season starting as anybody could have possibly hoped for. And now vegas sees him as a legitimate heisman trophy candidate in 2019. And for some reason, despite Book carrying the offense all ND fans can hyper focus on is his lack of big arm strength and his mistakes.

Every position should be open during fall camp and the best man should get the starting job. But the chances that ND has a quarterback better than Ian Book on the bench right now is so remote that it isn't even worth speculating on.

 

[chaseball]

Well, Book sure as hell wasn’t the transcendent QB you argued in post after post after post, etc... until you acknowledged such after the Clemson game. Not arguing arm strength or hand size, etc... but the proverbial bottom line is Book was below average in his ability to complete long throws, especially down the middle; and this is a fatal shortcoming against top tier defenses. Against Clemson in particular, he panicked and vacated the pocket prematurely on numerous plays and never showed the calm to go through his progressions timely to find open receivers. It’s accurate to say ND didn’t have good speed at receiver, etc... but it’s also accurate to say when these receivers did get open on downfield routes that he missed them terribly, such as Boykins twice against Clemson. I don’t agree that he was really good in his last 3-4 starts, but they were wins, and Book deserves a ton of credit for our 12-0 season. As for suggesting that Tua and Book struggled the same against Clemson is a bit like saying hamburger and steak are both meat. Yes, they both struggled, and while they each threw the ball 34 times, Tua passed for 295 yards and 2 tds while Book passed for 160 yds and no tds. Like most here, I watched a lot of football with the playoffs and the major bowl games, and Book was clearly not among the top tier QBs. I seriously doubt he can elevate his game to this level, but experience is a wonderful teacher and perhaps he can. I sure as hell hope so. But I also hope Phil is given a chance to compete to be the starting QB, as we need to put our best player in every position on the field, not just the most experienced.

I meant Georgia. My bad.

Tua, despite finishing 2nd in the heisman race, leading an offense loaded with future NFL talent, and being one of the best QBs in college football all season had a terrible game vs Georgia. My point being that everybody is capable of having bad games especially against the best competition.

 

[tbonesays]

if he played for Northwestern he wouldn't be on the list.

If he went 12-1 he would be.

 

[SIhoosier26]

If he went 12-1 he would be.

Don't worry about it. If it was up to him the coaches would never be blamed, it's always the player's fault. Never mind Book wasn't on the team in 2012 or the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago. Yet we got pansed both times. Never mind the horrible offensive gameplan, receivers dropping balls ect..

There's one common denominator in each of those big games, Brian Kelly.

 

[NDSMC78]

Don't worry about it. If it was up to him the coaches would never be blamed, it's always the player's fault. Never mind Book wasn't on the team in 2012 or the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago. Yet we got pansed both times. Never mind the horrible offensive gameplan, receivers dropping balls ect..

There's one common denominator in each of those big games, Brian Kelly.

Kelly was also the common denominator for 12-0 in 2012 and 12-0 in 2018.

 

[d1042]

Kelly was also the common denominator for 12-0 in 2012 and 12-0 in 2018.

And the common denominator for 42-14 and 30-3.
If you fail to see the differences the current staff has made then get a ‘seeing eye dog’.

 

[NDSMC78]

And the common denominator for 42-14 and 30-3.
If you fail to see the differences the current staff has made then get a ‘seeing eye dog’.

Amazing how some people focus on the negative to the exclusion of all else.

 

[d1042]

Amazing how some people focus on the negative to the exclusion of all else.

yep, but I don’t think you should be too hard on yourself. It’s never too late to change.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Not bad for someone who has “happy feet”, “can’t throw the deep ball”, and “ is as athletic as Tommy Rees”. He is ranked ahead of projected 1st round NFL picks.

Those things are inarguably true when he faces defenses such as Clemson or Pitt.

When people point this out, it’s not a personal attack on Book, it’s not saying he should be benched or he sucks. It’s stating that these are things we expect the coaches, especially Rees, to work on in the offseason.

He’s 20 years old, he has plenty of refining to do and can improve a lot.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I dunno what to do about Book. First off, I'll root for him and any other guy who suits up for ND. I hate to say it, but I think Book has already plateaued. He needs to improve on three things: 1. Deep ball accuracy. 2. Arm strength. 3. More consistentcy when feeling pressure and not getting happy feet. In my opinion he can only improve on #3, which will help but I doubt that'd make a difference against a team like Clemson or Georgia. #1 and #2 you usually either got or you don't by the time you're 20 years old. I'm not immediately suggesting PJ be the starter going forward, but I do think you give both QBs 50/50 snaps and at least have a package for PJ in the first two games of the season and then decide on a starter. That is unless one QB absolutely out performs the other in practice.

 

[88ND]

If he improves, even moderately, he will be spectacular. No reason to think he won’t. Book should be lights out next season. Phil is nothing. Has proven nothing.

Not saying you...

But it was hilarious from the mountain top when a great deal of the board said pretty much the EXACT same thing about Book as the Wimbush backup.

 

[88ND]

I dunno what to do about Book. First off, I'll root for him and any other guy who suits up for ND. I hate to say it, but I think Book has already plateaued. He needs to improve on three things: 1. Deep ball accuracy. 2. Arm strength. 3. More consistentcy when feeling pressure and not getting happy feet. In my opinion he can only improve on #3, which will help but I doubt that'd make a difference against a team like Clemson or Georgia. #1 and #2 you usually either got or you don't by the time you're 20 years old. I'm not immediately suggesting PJ be the starter going forward, but I do think you give both QBs 50/50 snaps and at least have a package for PJ in the first two games of the season and then decide on a starter. That is unless one QB absolutely out performs the other in practice.

And sadly this is BK we're talking about and his handling of QB's.
Golson's welcome got worn out. Zaire was the better candidate.
Golson transfers.
Zaire breaks leg, Kizer plays lights out for being thrown to the wolves...week 1 of the next year he still can't make his mind up who should be playing QB. It was clear from Mars the offense responded better with Kizer. Somehow Kelly couldn't see that.
Zaire transfers.
Kizer plays OK next year... leaves and Wimbush and Book are duking it out. Wimbush was innacurate immediately yet Kelly keeps on keeping on with the round peg square hole.

Everyone could see the offense was stale and stuck in mud with Wimbush.

Finally after fifteen games he decides to put the clearly more accurate QB into the lineup.

So no matter what you think or even the masses...Brian Kelly I assure you will see some bizarre shit with the QB competition. Whoever is the better QB Brian Kelly will definitely pick the other one.

The expression of backup QB being the most popular guy in town....BK tries his best to solidify that statement being accurate.

 

[chitown sot]

Look, I'm not saying Phil doesn't deserve a shot in the spring, but Book is far better than Rees ever was. If Kelly can actually develop a QB for once in the offseason and Book improves who knows what can happen.

BK has developed Zero QB's

 

[echowaker]

And sadly this is BK we're talking about and his handling of QB's.
Golson's welcome got worn out. Zaire was the better candidate.
Golson transfers.
Zaire breaks leg, Kizer plays lights out for being thrown to the wolves...week 1 of the next year he still can't make his mind up who should be playing QB. It was clear from Mars the offense responded better with Kizer. Somehow Kelly couldn't see that.
Zaire transfers.
Kizer plays OK next year... leaves and Wimbush and Book are duking it out. Wimbush was innacurate immediately yet Kelly keeps on keeping on with the round peg square hole.

Everyone could see the offense was stale and stuck in mud with Wimbush.

Finally after fifteen games he decides to put the clearly more accurate QB into the lineup.

So no matter what you think or even the masses...Brian Kelly I assure you will see some bizarre shit with the QB competition. Whoever is the better QB Brian Kelly will definitely pick the other one.

The expression of backup QB being the most popular guy in town....BK tries his best to solidify that statement being accurate.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.......

 

[chaseball]

BK has developed Zero QB's

I think the QB position has been excellent under Brian Kelly. So much so that ND fans have been spoiled by it.

No matter the profile of the player, no matter the health status of the position, no matter the depth chart situation, in his 9 years at Notre Dame, Brian Kelly is always getting solid production out of the QB position. And that is even with guys who have ZERO profile/pedigree (like Tommy Rees and now Ian Book).

 

[stu4don]

We need our offensive line to improve, especially vs. top 35 defenses -- they were uncharacteristically weak this year due to graduation, injury and inexperience. Improve the o-line and Book will improve. Our running game was non-existent vs. good defenses and Chip's offense is predicated on the run.

 

[NIN Irish]

I think the QB position has been excellent under Brian Kelly. So much so that ND fans have been spoiled by it.
No matter the profile of the player, no matter the health status of the position, no matter the depth chart situation, in his 9 years at Notre Dame, Brian Kelly is always getting solid production out of the QB position. It doesn't consistently have high upside like OUs QB situation, but Brian Kelly is always able to find/sign/develop a player at the position that plays good enough to win games. It's probably the best part of his resume actually. Good QB play is very critical and very elusive.

Wtf.
Maybe for one year, then any returning starter has clearly regressed at the position, except for maybe Rees. That’s been obvious.
The only question is if Book can break the trend. If not expect Jurkovec to be starting by the end of the season and inconsistency at the position continues.

 

[chitown sot]

I think the QB position has been excellent under Brian Kelly. So much so that ND fans have been spoiled by it.

No matter the profile of the player, no matter the health status of the position, no matter the depth chart situation, in his 9 years at Notre Dame, Brian Kelly is always getting solid production out of the QB position. And that is even with guys who have ZERO profile/pedigree (like Tommy Rees and now Ian Book).

Im not saying that NDs QB are bad. Im saying BK doesn't seem to get them better.

 

[chitown sot]

We need our offensive line to improve, especially vs. top 35 defenses -- they were uncharacteristically weak this year due to graduation, injury and inexperience. Improve the o-line and Book will improve. Our running game was non-existent vs. good defenses and Chip's offense is predicated on the run.

Losing Harry was huge.

 

[tbonesays]

I dunno what to do about Book. First off, I'll root for him and any other guy who suits up for ND. I hate to say it, but I think Book has already plateaued. He needs to improve on three things: 1. Deep ball accuracy. 2. Arm strength. 3. More consistentcy when feeling pressure and not getting happy feet. In my opinion he can only improve on #3, which will help but I doubt that'd make a difference against a team like Clemson or Georgia. #1 and #2 you usually either got or you don't by the time you're 20 years old. I'm not immediately suggesting PJ be the starter going forward, but I do think you give both QBs 50/50 snaps and at least have a package for PJ in the first two games of the season and then decide on a starter. That is unless one QB absolutely out performs the other in practice.

Agree. I don't think you can coach arm strength.

 

[chaseball]

Agree. I don't think you can coach arm strength.

No but you can coach mechanics that lead to more velocity. Ian Book has to prove that when the defense starts cheating up that he can make them pay with a completion over the top which will then open up the intermediate passing game more.

So far, he's been able to have success despite the defense not respecting that part of his game. But if he wants to be one of the best QBs in the country, he needs to develop that part of his game. Players show the greatest growth from their first to second year of starting. Hopefully there's some untapped potential here. And if not, if Ian Book is more or less the player he was in 2018, NDs QB situation will still be good enough to win a typical Brian Kelly amount of games.