F+ week 8: The peripherals are looking really good

[chaseball]

I don't remember a side of the ball ranked this highly ever in the F+ era (2007-present). Defense is ranked #2 in the country.

Offense was ranked 17th last week, and dropped to 18th this update but its a negligible difference.

I dont like that ND hasn't really been challenged by any good offenses yet to expose their weaknesses .. but the opponent adjusted numbers are fantastic regardless.

Parity in college football (according to the F+ ratings of teams in the top 15) is also closer than its been at any point that I can remember.

A natty-run actually looks more possible this season than it has at any point that I can remember (with the caveat that its still just week 8 and a lot can change over the last month-plus of the season as top conference teams play each other and try to separate themselves).

 

[Golson5]

I don't remember a side of the ball ranked this highly ever in the F+ era (2007-present). Defense was ranked 17th last week, and dropped to 18th this update but its a negligible difference.

I dont like that ND hasn't really been challenged by any good offenses yet to expose their weaknesses .. but the opponent adjusted numbers are fantastic regardless.

Parity in college football (according to the F+ ratings of teams in the top 15) is also closer than its been at any point that I can remember.

Don't know if things are going to change as top teams continue to play each other in the BIG10 and SEC (which gives teams a chance to separate) but its a really good sign of NDs national championship hopes that outside of OSU nobody has really separated themselves all that much at the very top of the rankings.

A natty-run actually looks more possible this season than it has at any point that I can remember (with the caveat that its still just week 8 and a lot can change over the last month-plus of the season).

Does that ranking say it has us ranked 18th in defense?

I said there was more parity in cfb than in over 15 years. You didnt believe me. I guess now you do

 

[sjb75]

I don't remember a side of the ball ranked this highly ever in the F+ era (2007-present). Defense was ranked 17th last week, and dropped to 18th this update but its a negligible difference.

I dont like that ND hasn't really been challenged by any good offenses yet to expose their weaknesses .. but the opponent adjusted numbers are fantastic regardless.

Parity in college football (according to the F+ ratings of teams in the top 15) is also closer than its been at any point that I can remember.

Don't know if things are going to change as top teams continue to play each other in the BIG10 and SEC (which gives teams a chance to separate) but its a really good sign of NDs national championship hopes that outside of OSU nobody has really separated themselves all that much at the very top of the rankings.

A natty-run actually looks more possible this season than it has at any point that I can remember (with the caveat that its still just week 8 and a lot can change over the last month-plus of the season).

Does that ranking say it has us ranked 18th in defense?

I said there was more parity in cfb than in over 15 years. You didnt believe me. I guess now you do

Same shit. Different day.

 

[chaseball]

Does that ranking say it has us ranked 18th in defense?

I said there was more parity in cfb than in over 15 years. You didnt believe me. I guess now you do

I meant offense (17th to 18th) defense is ranked 2nd in the country

And so far yes, there's a trend the last two years towards more parity at the top end.

 

[Golson5]

I meant offense (17th to 18th) defense is ranked 2nd in the country

And so far yes, there's a trend the last two years towards more parity at the top end.

Yeah I said that a long time ago. Glad you are finality catching up to the obvious because F- told you so

What's our overall F- ranking this week lol. Is it getting better so you don't want to show it because it doesn't fit your narrative?

 

[chaseball]

Yeah I said that a long time ago. Glad you are finality catching up to the obvious because F- told you so

What's our overall F- ranking this week lol. Is it getting better so you don't want to show it because it doesn't fit your narrative?

I've said this before but I'm all about the evidence my guy. I let evidence formulate my opinion/conclusions and I'm always on the search for the best evidence available.

You saying that you've watched some traditionally great teams not look as good this season is not good evidence to me. An objective algorithm you can cross reference almost 20 years back and look at parity among teams over that time is good evidence

It was too early in the season to come to any conclusions based on how the teams were stacking up but after about 8 weeks the system has gathered a ton of data and it's displaying reliable results.

The teams are more closely aligned at the top end more so than I've seen in at least 5 years. And it's really great for Notre Dame based on how the team is constructed and the lack of upside in the organization.

Notre Dame would be by no means a favorite in the playoff but they may be in striking distance -- in terms of their team quality -- where if they're on the receiving end of some good ball bounces in some consecutive games in the playoff (and some other teams knock off some of the big boys at the top) that might be enough to put ND in favorable enough situations in the playoff where they can conceivably win it (where in the past the only way Notre Dame was winning a national title would be nothing short of a miracle)

 

[chaseball]

It's just funny because when Marcus Freeman was hired I thought for sure he was going to be some young charismatic recruiter who was going to have problems keeping up as a player developer/program-CEO with the last regime that was here. But it turns out he may be a better player developer than the last coach (especially on defense) but is having similar challenges as the last coach in terms of his ability to attract the best athletes in the country.

Moral of the story is never judge a book by its cover

 

[Golson5]

I've said this before but I'm all about the evidence my guy. I let evidence formulate my opinion/conclusions and I'm always on the search for the best evidence available.

You saying that you've watched some traditionally great teams not look as good this season is not good evidence to me. An objective algorithm you can cross reference almost 20 years back and look at parity among teams over that time is good evidence

It was too early in the season to come to any conclusions based on how the teams were stacking up but after about 8 weeks the system has gathered a ton of data and it's displaying reliable results.

The teams are more closely aligned at the top end more so than I've seen in at least 5 years. And it's really great for Notre Dame based on how the team is constructed and the lack of upside in the organization.

Notre Dame would be by no means a favorite in the playoff but they may be in striking distance -- in terms of their team quality -- where if they're on the receiving end of some good ball bounces in some consecutive games in the playoff (and some other teams knock off some of the big boys at the top) that might be enough to put ND in favorable enough situations in the playoff where they can conceivably win it (where in the past the only way Notre Dame was winning a national title would be nothing short of a miracle)

It was obvious from last season to this season there is more parity in cfb and no elite teams. If you just watch. Glad you finally caught up

You haven't said what NDs F- is this week yet? If it was lower I guarantee it would be up on every post of yours.

Narratives

 

[NDinNJ]

F+ Ratings
1. Ohio State
2. Texas
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Ole Miss 🤣
6. Alabama 🤣
7. Penn State
8. Notre Dame

 

[Pennick4]

Do people get paid to produce this horse crap?

 

[chaseball]

It was obvious from last season to this season there is more parity in cfb and no elite teams. If you just watch. Glad you finally caught up

You haven't said what NDs F- is this week yet? If it was lower I guarantee it would be up on every post of yours.

Narratives

There are still elite teams that are a cut above the rest, there's just fewer of them, and they are not so far out of reach that they could be playing in the NFL like it felt much of the last 20 years.

F+ Ratings
1. Ohio State
2. Texas
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Ole Miss 🤣
6. Alabama 🤣
7. Penn State
8. Notre Dame

Yes, ND is #8 .. about where they were when the season started and a couple spots above their pre-season SP+ projection of 10th.

ND has only played 1 top 15 team all year though (TAMU) and they are #15.

Opponent adjusted stats are great and all they give you a hypothetical idea of how teams stack up as if they were all playing the same schedule .. but there's still no substitute for actually playing the best teams and seeing how you stack up.

 

[Golson5]

There are still elite teams that are a cut above the rest, there's just fewer of them, and they are not so far out of reach that they could be playing in the NFL like it felt much of the last 20 years.

Yes, ND is #8 .. about where they were when the season started and a couple spots above their pre-season SP+ projection of 10th.

ND has only played 1 top 15 team all year though (TAMU) and they are #15.

Opponent adjusted stats are great and all they give you a hypothetical idea of how teams stack up as if they were all playing the same schedule .. but there's still no substitute for actually playing the best teams and seeing how you stack up.

According to your own rankings F-, there are only 11 teams with 2 top 30 wins and we are one of those 11. And only 15 teams with 3 top 60 wins and we are one of those.

And according to your rankings we have 3 top 50 games left on the schedule

We could end up with 6 top 60 wins but you told us our schedule is a joke. But your own rankings says different. So what is it?

 

[BaldyNd]

Does that defensive rating factor in the fact that we won’t have Morrison and the 2 vipers rest of the way? Because sadly that is important.

 

[chaseball]

Does that defensive rating factor in the fact that we won’t have Morrison and the 2 vipers rest of the way? Because sadly that is important.

Nope. The system has no way of accounting for roster attrition/injuries during the season. The system is just using 100% of the performance data from the season to evaluate/stack up teams.

 

[BGI User 756]

According to your own rankings F-, there are only 11 teams with 2 top 30 wins and we are one of those 11. And only 15 teams with 3 top 60 wins and we are one of those.

And according to your rankings we have 3 top 50 games left on the schedule

We could end up with 6 top 60 wins but you told us our schedule is a joke. But your own rankings says different. So what is it?

Game, set, match

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

Data is like garbage. You’d better know what you are going to do with it before you collect it.”​

~ Mark Twain​

 

[chaseball]

According to your own rankings F-, there are only 11 teams with 2 top 30 wins and we are one of those 11. And only 15 teams with 3 top 60 wins and we are one of those.

And according to your rankings we have 3 top 50 games left on the schedule

We could end up with 6 top 60 wins but you told us our schedule is a joke. But your own rankings says different. So what is it?

Besides the fact that your numbers are off, its not the games vs the top 60 that makes NDs schedule weak, its the games that aren't in the top 60 that bring down the schedule quality (a lot of non competitive trash on the very low end) and then a total lack of any top 10 competition at the very high end on the schedule as well.

Moreover, a lot of P4 teams will be playing stiffer competition over the final 4-5 games of the season including their conference championship games while Notre Dame will be playing even more mid-ish type teams like Army, Navy, Virginia, and a down USC and FSU.

Also with Navy and Army performing to competence this season (very unexpectedly) it does improve the quality of the schedule some. Coming into the year they were ranked in the 90s/100s .. and they've been unexpectedly way better than that and are both top 50 type teams according to F+ now.

 

[Golson5]

Besides the fact that your numbers are off, its not the games vs the top 60 that makes NDs schedule weak, its the games that aren't in the top 60 that bring down the schedule quality (a lot of non competitive trash on the very low end) and then a total lack of any top 10 competition at the very high end on the schedule as well.

Moreover, a lot of P4 teams will be playing stiffer competition over the final 4-5 games of the season including their conference championship games while Notre Dame will be playing even more mid-ish type teams like Army, Navy, Virginia, and a down USC and FSU.

Also with Navy and Army performing to competence this season (very unexpectedly) it does improve the quality of the schedule some. Coming into the year they were ranked in the 90s/100s .. and they've been unexpectedly way better than that and are both top 50 type teams according to F+ now.

You dont even believe in your own rankings system 🤣🤣

USC is 18th in F+ so that would add another top 20 win to our schedule

Army Navy and SC will add 3 top 50 wins.

 

[chaseball]

F+ Ratings
1. Ohio State
2. Texas
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Ole Miss 🤣
6. Alabama 🤣
7. Penn State
8. Notre Dame

Notice 7 of the top 8 are all SEC & BIG10 teams (and if you expand to the full top 10 LSU & Tennessee round out #9 & #10 respectively) yet there are some ND fans that still aren't convinced that these two conferences are now in a league of their own.

 

[Chitown11]

Notice 7 of the top 8 are all SEC & BIG10 teams (and if you expand to the full top 10 LSU & Tennessee round out #9 & #10 respectively) yet there are some ND fans that still aren't convinced that these two conferences are now in a league of their own.

Notice no one gives a rats a$$ about your stupid F+ system

 

[Irishjohn68]

Notice 7 of the top 8 are all SEC & BIG10 teams (and if you expand to the full top 10 LSU & Tennessee round out #9 & #10 respectively) yet there are some ND fans that still aren't convinced that these two conferences are now in a league of their own.

You are so full of shit. Everyone knows those two conferences are the best. Man you are dumb.

 

[chaseball]

You are so full of shit. Everyone knows those two conferences are the best. Man you are dumb.

You'd be surprised how many ND fans argue against this point.

Then you think how many SEC & BIG10 teams are on NDs current schedule (or notice lack of i should say) and it gets kind of scary. ND might get squeezed out of any elite/premier SEC or BIG10 opponents entirely.

How many 5 star recruits want to join ND to play vs prestigious competition in the G5, ACC, and military academies? lol

 

[Golson5]

You'd be surprised how many ND fans argue against this point.

Then you think how many SEC & BIG10 teams are on NDs current schedule (or notice lack of i should say) and it gets kind of scary. ND might get squeezed out of any elite/premier SEC or BIG10 opponents entirely.

How many 5 star recruits want to join ND to play vs prestigious competition in the G5, ACC, and military academies? lol

We played a top 15 sec team on the road and at night. We won by 10

You use F- and they are going to have 3 top 25 games by your own rankings. So do you believe in your rankings or not lol

You still haven't responded about your USC comment. Lol

 

[BGI User 756]

Notice 7 of the top 8 are all SEC & BIG10 teams (and if you expand to the full top 10 LSU & Tennessee round out #9 & #10 respectively) yet there are some ND fans that still aren't convinced that these two conferences are now in a league of their own.

You avoided the question Joe

 

[BGI User 756]

You'd be surprised how many ND fans argue against this point.

Then you think how many SEC & BIG10 teams are on NDs current schedule (or notice lack of i should say) and it gets kind of scary. ND might get squeezed out of any elite/premier SEC or BIG10 opponents entirely.

How many 5 star recruits want to join ND to play vs prestigious competition in the G5, ACC, and military academies? lol

OSU, AM, USC, Purdue, Arkansas, MSU, Bama, Wisky, Mich say hi …

You are a fraud

 

[Irishjohn68]

You'd be surprised how many ND fans argue against this point.

Then you think how many SEC & BIG10 teams are on NDs current schedule (or notice lack of i should say) and it gets kind of scary. ND might get squeezed out of any elite/premier SEC or BIG10 opponents entirely.

How many 5 star recruits want to join ND to play vs prestigious competition in the G5, ACC, and military academies? lol

I know, hundreds of Irish fans in college football fans and not one agrees with you. Everybody and I mean, everybody knows those two conferences are the best in the land. Don’t be stupid.

 

[sjb75]

I know, hundreds of Irish fans in college football fans and not one agrees with you. Everybody and I mean, everybody knows those two conferences are the best in the land. Don’t be stupid.

The SEC has been the best overall conference in CFB for awhile. Pretty common knowledge. I have not read many who argue this point.

 

[Irishjohn68]

The SEC has been the best overall conference in CFB for awhile. Pretty common knowledge. I have not read many who argue this point.

Thank you Captain Obvious.