Brian Kelly reinvented himself at GVS can he do it at ND?

[chaseball]

Pay special attention to the 1999 & 2000 seasons (program went from winning an average of 8 games or so per season .. then had two back to back years of 5 & 7 wins before turning into a dominant multi national championship winning FCS program.)

BK was forced to reinvent himself after those terrible seasons, and did it successfully. Can he repeat that feat at ND?

Grand Valley State records during the BK era:

YEAR W L

• 1991 9 3
• 1992 8 3
• 1993 7 4
• 1994 8 4
• 1995 8 3
• 1996 8 3
• 1997 9 2
• 1998 9 3
• 1999 5 5
• 2000 7 4
• 2001 13 1
• 2002 14 0
• 2003 14 1

 

[perseverare]

yes, when pigs fly.

 

[Kelso86]

Well, we are about to find out! He appears to have did some soul searching after the season, and based on his coaching hires -- appears to be letting go and being more of a CEO and letting his coaches coach --

 

[Ara64]

It would appear guys. We will see come next year.

 

[NDIRISH53]

All we can do is hope. He's a desperate man with everything to lose. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and be excited for the season. It's either 10 wins and tough football or bye bye

 

[Pennick44]

yes, when pigs fly.

Leave your family members out of this.

 

[SeanPol355]

yes, when pigs fly.

Mother of God! Pigs are flying!

 

[BGI-CANADA]

All we can do is hope. He's a desperate man with everything to lose. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and be excited for the season. It's either 10 wins and tough football or bye bye

Everything to lose?............he is entering year 2 of a 6-year $4.5 million/year contract.

Kelly and his agent knew a 'sucker' (J.S.) when they saw one.

If nothing else, Kelly is financially set-for-life - he could always join Ty on the golf course or have a turkey eating contest with Charlie, thanks (at least in part) to ND.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Everything to lose?............he is entering year 2 of a 6-year $4.5 million/year contract.

Kelly and his agent knew a 'sucker' (J.S.) when they saw one.

If nothing else, Kelly is financially set-for-life - he could always join Ty on the golf course or have a turkey eating contest with Charlie, thanks (at least in part) to ND.

Hahahaha yea well I meant job wise at ND. He'll be fine is he never works another day in his life

 

[REMND]

Did he make staff changes before he reinvented himself at GVS?

 

[ndhell]

Everything to lose?............he is entering year 2 of a 6-year $4.5 million/year contract.

Kelly and his agent knew a 'sucker' (J.S.) when they saw one.

If nothing else, Kelly is financially set-for-life - he could always join Ty on the golf course or have a turkey eating contest with Charlie, thanks (at least in part) to ND.

Charlie Cheeseburger eats Cheeseburgers.

 

[BGI-CANADA]

Pay special attention to the 1999 & 2000 seasons (program went from winning an average of 8 games or so per season .....)
BK was forced to reinvent himself after those terrible seasons, and did it successfully. Can he repeat that feat at ND?

If Kelly does "reinvent himself" it will have taken him 7 years (at ND) to even acknowledge that his '26 years of coaching experience' means little when competing at the level of ND (big boy) football.

Apparently his arrogance kept him believing that what 'worked' at GVS would continue to 'work' at ND (hiring his MAC level cronies and recruiting his RKGs).

But the biggest fool of all, Swarbrick not only hired Kelly - but extended him 6 years - for a coach who's teams repeatedly played down to the level of their competition, never won a major bowl and arguably, won 1 big game in (his first) 6 years....shows just how clueless Jack Swarbrick is.

 

[NIN Irish]

It starts with the coin toss. Will he learn to defer to the second half?

 

[twalsh]

Everything to lose?............he is entering year 2 of a 6-year $4.5 million/year contract.

Kelly and his agent knew a 'sucker' (J.S.) when they saw one.

If nothing else, Kelly is financially set-for-life - he could always join Ty on the golf course or have a turkey eating contest with Charlie, thanks (at least in part) to ND.

Do you think a guy who spent all those years at GVS is doing this just for the money?

 

[ivan brunetti]

yes, when pigs fly.

 

[South Bender]

If Kelly does "reinvent himself" it will have taken him 7 years (at ND) to even acknowledge that his '26 years of coaching experience' means little when competing at the level of ND (big boy) football.

Apparently his arrogance kept him believing that what 'worked' at GVS would continue to 'work' at ND (hiring his MAC level cronies and recruiting his RKGs).

But the biggest fool of all, Swarbrick not only hired Kelly - but extended him 6 years - for a coach who's teams repeatedly played down to the level of their competition, never won a major bowl and arguably, won 1 big game in (his first) 6 years....shows just how clueless Jack Swarbrick is.

As if everything is so black and white.

Maybe after going 12-0 and 10-2 he decided to put off the "reinventing" for awhile.

 

[perseverare]

Mother of God! Pigs are flying!

mistaken identity, that was Amy Schumer

 

[BGI-CANADA]

Do you think a guy who spent all those years at GVS is doing this just for the money?

If Kelly had a clue as to how to win BIG at Div-1 CFB, have to assume he would.

Who knows...............doubt he was making champagne money coaching Div-2 CFB - is he currently making up for those 'lean years'?

 

[BGI-CANADA]

As if everything is so black and white.

Maybe after going 12-0 and 10-2 he decided to put off the "reinventing" for awhile.

Interesting point - 2 good years (at ND) out of 7 (with arguably no major victories).............quite the impressive record - likely why JS 'extended' him......must have made sense to JS.

 

[perseverare]

wish he could reinvent himself at Purdue.

 

[BGI-CANADA]

wish he could reinvent himself at Purdue.

L O L - good one!

 

[perseverare]

they wouldn't be LOL'g at Purdue'

Kelly is like that unemployable in law that comes to visit and is still on your couch 8 years later!

 

[South Bender]

Interesting point - 2 good years (at ND) out of 7 (with arguably no major victories).............quite the impressive record - likely why JS 'extended' him......must have made sense to JS.

Not the point. Point is, you said it took him 7 years to realize he needed to change.

My point is that those two outstanding years were mixed in there, maybe causing a person to second guess the need to "reinvent" oneself. Again, we're talking about a human being here - not a robot. Anyone having self-doubt or anxiety with their coaching ability would calm down after going 12-0, and brush aside any need for re-thinking themselves or their chosen profession. Don't you agree?

 

[BGI-CANADA]

Not the point. Point is, you said it took him 7 years to realize he needed to change.

My point is that those two outstanding years were mixed in there, maybe causing a person to second guess the need to "reinvent" oneself. Again, we're talking about a human being here - not a robot. Anyone having self-doubt or anxiety with their coaching ability would calm down after going 12-0, and brush aside any need for re-thinking themselves or their chosen profession. Don't you agree?

Maybe you missed MY POINT!

 

[perseverare]

I see 'continously' reinvented himself with a new ID.

 

[NIN Irish]

Not the point. Point is, you said it took him 7 years to realize he needed to change.

My point is that those two outstanding years were mixed in there, maybe causing a person to second guess the need to "reinvent" oneself. Again, we're talking about a human being here - not a robot. Anyone having self-doubt or anxiety with their coaching ability would calm down after going 12-0, and brush aside any need for re-thinking themselves or their chosen profession. Don't you agree?

I wouldn't call them outstanding, unless comparing to his other 5 years, or actually just last year, which shouldn't be the season to compare.

 

[Kelso86]

Not the point. Point is, you said it took him 7 years to realize he needed to change.

My point is that those two outstanding years were mixed in there, maybe causing a person to second guess the need to "reinvent" oneself. Again, we're talking about a human being here - not a robot. Anyone having self-doubt or anxiety with their coaching ability would calm down after going 12-0, and brush aside any need for re-thinking themselves or their chosen profession. Don't you agree?

"Anyone having self-doubt or anxiety with their coaching ability would calm down after going 12-0, and brush aside any need for re-thinking themselves or their chosen profession"

After a 12-0 season, yea, one may "calm down" a bit (one should always be looking to get better!), but after a 4-8 season, after firing your DC in mid season, and with the expectations they had coming in at the beginning -- yea -- you look at all aspects (including yourself) and attempt to fix what is wrong. It does not matter if it year 2 or 7.

 

[floridairish]

This whole here we are at 4-8 after 7 years is exceptionally stupid even for this forum. Lou Holtz went 6-5-1 in his 9th year at ND. What a failure!!! 9 years as Head Coach at ND and he only won 6 games and got blown out in a New Years Bowl by Colorado. If that sounds stupid its because it is stupid. Almost as stupid as the dopes making the "Year 7" argument.

For those of us who have actual real life football experience beyond the internet and watching games in our mommys basement. Can tell you each season stands alone. 2012 was great 2015 was very good and 2016 was bad. This season will stand on its own merits. Assuming you should have a certain record after a certain period of time is just internet, fan boy, jock sniffer Sewing Circle drivel...aka their normal nonsensical inane posts.

 

[NIN Irish]

This whole here we are at 4-8 after 7 years is exceptionally stupid even for this forum. Lou Holtz went 6-5-1 in his 9th year at ND. What a failure!!! 9 years as Head Coach at ND and he only won 6 games and got blown out in a New Years Bowl by Colorado. If that sounds stupid its because it is stupid. Almost as stupid as the dopes making the "Year 7" argument.

For those of us who have actual real life football is experience beyond the internet and watching games in our mommys basement. Can tell you each season stands alone. 2012 was great 2015 was very good and 2016 was bad. This season will stand on its own merits. Assuming you should have a certain record after a certain period of time is just internet, fan boy, jock sniffer Sewing Circle drivel...aka their normal nonsensical inane posts.

Lou Holtz accomplished significantly more than Kelly prior to his 9th year. Also, 6-5-1 is better than 4-8.
Talk about stupid arguments. Try again.

 

[chitown sot]

This whole here we are at 4-8 after 7 years is exceptionally stupid even for this forum. Lou Holtz went 6-5-1 in his 9th year at ND. What a failure!!! 9 years as Head Coach at ND and he only won 6 games and got blown out in a New Years Bowl by Colorado. If that sounds stupid its because it is stupid. Almost as stupid as the dopes making the "Year 7" argument.

For those of us who have actual real life football experience beyond the internet and watching games in our mommys basement. Can tell you each season stands alone. 2012 was great 2015 was very good and 2016 was bad. This season will stand on its own merits. Assuming you should have a certain record after a certain period of time is just internet, fan boy, jock sniffer Sewing Circle drivel...aka their normal nonsensical inane posts.

Comparing bk to Lou is stupidity. That arrogant clown couldn't hold Lou's jock

 

[RowTheBoatND]

Pay special attention to the 1999 & 2000 seasons (program went from winning an average of 8 games or so per season .. then had two back to back years of 5 & 7 wins before turning into a dominant multi national championship winning FCS program.)

BK was forced to reinvent himself after those terrible seasons, and did it successfully. Can he repeat that feat at ND?

Grand Valley State records during the BK era:

YEAR W L

• 1991 9 3
• 1992 8 3
• 1993 7 4
• 1994 8 4
• 1995 8 3
• 1996 8 3
• 1997 9 2
• 1998 9 3
• 1999 5 5
• 2000 7 4
• 2001 13 1
• 2002 14 0
• 2003 14 1

GVSU has never been an FCS school. They've been D2 for a while now. FCS = North Dakota State - D2 = Grand Valley State.

The reason Kelly turned it around was that he struck gold with a local kid, David Kircus. He also took in a ton of D1 transfers from places like Toledo, Hawaii, Minnesota, and Cincinnati. He built a team that simply overwhelmed true D2 competition.

 

[RowTheBoatND]

Do you think a guy who spent all those years at GVS is doing this just for the money?

Why didn't he quit after the NFL and USC said no to him? Looks pretty obvious he's staying on because of the money. He tried desperately to get a new job a few months ago.

 

[RowTheBoatND]

This whole here we are at 4-8 after 7 years is exceptionally stupid even for this forum. Lou Holtz went 6-5-1 in his 9th year at ND. What a failure!!! 9 years as Head Coach at ND and he only won 6 games and got blown out in a New Years Bowl by Colorado. If that sounds stupid its because it is stupid. Almost as stupid as the dopes making the "Year 7" argument.

For those of us who have actual real life football experience beyond the internet and watching games in our mommys basement. Can tell you each season stands alone. 2012 was great 2015 was very good and 2016 was bad. This season will stand on its own merits. Assuming you should have a certain record after a certain period of time is just internet, fan boy, jock sniffer Sewing Circle drivel...aka their normal nonsensical inane posts.

Dear water boy,

Where is Gene Chizik these days?

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

 

[perseverare]

he is home shinning his NC ring; where is BK? home putting air in the tires on bus he will use to back over players/coaches

 

[BGI-CANADA]

Lou Holtz accomplished significantly more than Kelly prior to his 9th year. Also, 6-5-1 is better than 4-8.
Talk about stupid arguments. Try again.

Agree 100% - by his 9th year Lou had already proven, despite a bad season, that he could coach with the best - he had won a NC Title, may have been 'cheated' out of a 2nd NC Title and beat top-10 ranked opponents repeatedly!

At ND Kelly does NOT compare to Lou......not even close.

 

[perseverare]

^ that that needs to be stated/explained to some ... just pretty damned pathetic.

 

[TOMMY_23]

As if everything is so black and white.

Maybe after going 12-0 and 10-2 he decided to put off the "reinventing" for awhile.

He couldn't beat a single top-10 team in that 10-3 season you're living off of.

 

[TOMMY_23]

12-1 and 10-3, btw. If ND would've won those bowl games you'd be touting 13-0 and 11-2. #FakeNews