Best Notre Dame team in the F+ era (since 2007)

[chaseball]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

 

[Golson5]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

MF is him!

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

It's having great coaching and having better players than you are giving them credit for

They are 5th in team talent average per player.

Also, Ole Miss at 4 is an absolute joke. It's an insane ranking

Are we tier 1 now to you lol??

Told you parity reign supreme and there are not 5 teams above the rest. That was obvious to see but you missed it because you only look at F+ and don't look at anything else

Use all the tools out there and your eyes

 

[chaseball]

It's having great coaching and having better players than you are giving them credit for

They are 5th in team talent average per player.

Also, Ole Miss at 4 is an absolute joke. It's an insane ranking

Are we tier 1 now to you lol??

Told you parity reign supreme and there are not 5 teams above the rest. That was obvious to see but you missed it because you only look at F+ and don't look at anything else

Use all the tools out there and your eyes

If you can't see the talent disparity between ND and the teams they are now ranked amongst you are a fool. Its not talent, its player development. tier 2 talent, tier 1 player development, tier 1.5 production.

Ive already explained the limitations with evaluating classes on per-rating average. Good recruiting isn't just about quality players but quantity as well. The teams ranked ahead of ND in recruiting have a better combination of both and have much better players at the high end.

Ole Miss has 3 losses by a total of 13 points all to highly productive teams (all SEC teams). They have dominant wins vs Georgia#6 and South Carolina#12

You are still putting way too much weight on Win Loss record and not enough weight on the HOLISTIC quality of competition on a team's schedule and not enough weight on a team's raw productivity adjusted for luck and opponent quality.

After this past weekend of games, the parity amongst the top teams in the country is again closely aligned (minus OSU who is still way out ahead of everybody) but not to the same extent prior to the NIL/TP era. This can still change after week 14 & conference championship games.

 

[NIN Irish]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

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Yeah, Ole miss at 4 should have you reflecting about the last 15 years you've been with f+.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

This can't be correct. Our future was/is so underwhelming. Surely LSU is #6?

 

[Golson5]

If you can't see the talent disparity between ND and the teams they are now ranked amongst based on their production through week 13 you are a fool. Its not talent, its player development. tier 2 talent, tier 1 player development, tier 1.5 production.

Ive already explained the limitations with evaluating classes on per-rating average. Good recruiting isn't just about quality players but quantity as well. The teams ranked ahead of ND in recruiting have a better combination of both.

Ole Miss has 3 losses by a total of 13 points all to highly productive teams (all SEC teams). They have dominant wins vs Georgia#6 and South Carolina#12

You are still putting way too much weight on Win Loss record and not enough weight on the HOLISTIC quality of competition on a team's schedule and not enough weight on a team's raw productivity adjusted for luck and opponent quality.

After this past weekend of games, the parity amongst the top teams in the country is again closely aligned (minus OSU who is still way out ahead of everybody) but not to the same extent prior to the NIL/TP era. This can still change after week 14 & conference championship games.

If you can't see the talent on this team, then you are the fool

 

[chaseball]

This can't be correct. Our future was/is so underwhelming. Surely LSU is #6?

Its very rare that a team produces above their talent rank. Most programs run into a hard cap based on the level of their talent. What MF is doing from a pure player development standpoint is very impressive. Which is why he's now drawing NFL interest.

 

[NIN Irish]

If you can't see the talent disparity between ND and the teams they are now ranked amongst based on their production through week 13 you are a fool. Its not talent, its player development. tier 2 talent, tier 1 player development, tier 1.5 production.

Ive already explained the limitations with evaluating classes on per-rating average. Good recruiting isn't just about quality players but quantity as well. The teams ranked ahead of ND in recruiting have a better combination of both and have much better players at the high end.

Ole Miss has 3 losses by a total of 13 points all to highly productive teams (all SEC teams). They have dominant wins vs Georgia#6 and South Carolina#12

You are still putting way too much weight on Win Loss record and not enough weight on the HOLISTIC quality of competition on a team's schedule and not enough weight on a team's raw productivity adjusted for luck and opponent quality.

After this past weekend of games, the parity amongst the top teams in the country is again closely aligned (minus OSU who is still way out ahead of everybody) but not to the same extent prior to the NIL/TP era. This can still change after week 14 & conference championship games.

Mississippi has lost to teams with a combined total of 16 losses! The ranking is terrible.

 

[chaseball]

Mississippi has lost to teams with a combined total of 16 losses! The ranking is terrible.

Those teams they lost to are highly rated/respected teams who have their own wins vs other highly rated/respected teams. Win Loss record is overrated. All of the best teams are concentrated amongst two conferences these days (BIG10 & SEC) not all wins and losses are equal YOU HAVE TO account for this when evaluating the quality of teams these days.

What is Mississippi's performance in those games they lost, and what is the quality of those teams they lost to (not by their win-loss record but by their F+ rating that takes a lot more data into consideration)?

 

[sjb75]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

It's having great coaching and having better players than you are giving them credit for

They are 5th in team talent average per player.

Also, Ole Miss at 4 is an absolute joke. It's an insane ranking

Are we tier 1 now to you lol??

Told you parity reign supreme and there are not 5 teams above the rest. That was obvious to see but you missed it because you only look at F+ and don't look at anything else

Use all the tools out there and your eyes

If you can't see the talent disparity between ND and the teams they are now ranked amongst based on their production through week 13 you are a fool. Its not talent, its player development. tier 2 talent, tier 1 player development, tier 1.5 production.

Ive already explained the limitations with evaluating classes on per-rating average. Good recruiting isn't just about quality players but quantity as well. The teams ranked ahead of ND in recruiting have a better combination of both and have much better players at the high end.

Ole Miss has 3 losses by a total of 13 points all to highly productive teams (all SEC teams). They have dominant wins vs Georgia#6 and South Carolina#12

You are still putting way too much weight on Win Loss record and not enough weight on the HOLISTIC quality of competition on a team's schedule and not enough weight on a team's raw productivity adjusted for luck and opponent quality.

After this past weekend of games, the parity amongst the top teams in the country is again closely aligned (minus OSU who is still way out ahead of everybody) but not to the same extent prior to the NIL/TP era. This can still change after week 14 & conference championship games.

If you can't see the talent on this team, then you are the fool

Same shit. Different day.

 

[NIN Irish]

Those teams they lost to are highly rated/respected teams who have their own wins vs other highly rated/respected teams. Win Loss record is overrated. All of the best teams are concentrated amongst two conferences these days (BIG10 & SEC) not all wins and losses are equal YOU HAVE TO account for this when evaluating the quality of teams these days.

What is Mississippi's performance in those games they lost, and what is the team's they lost to raw productivity vs their schedule adjusted for the quality of their opponents and for luck? If you don't know, F+ will tell you.

So Kentucky with their one conference win is highly rated.
F+ will not tell you jack. As golson says use your eyes and other tools. Don't limit yourself to one, that's too narrow minded.

 

[chaseball]

So Kentucky with their one conference win is highly rated.
F+ will not tell you jack. As golson says use your eyes and other tools. Don't limit yourself to one, that's too narrow minded.

Ocular analysis when comparing/contrasting 130+ teams is flawed/limited and highly subjective/susceptible to bias and interpretation.

F+ and other advanced ranking systems like it (FPI) are objective measurements based on the best/most predictive performance data and are scary accurate in aggregate.

Use both, but put way more weight on the data.

Kentucky is ranked 36th out of 130+ teams based on their performance through week 13. Their schedule has been extremely tough and even in their slate of losses they've produced good numbers vs good teams and have quality losses. Yes their win loss record is trash, but they've been very productive regardless.

 

[PHJIndy]

This may be the best Notre Dame defense since the days of Nick Buoniconti and Norb Roy!

 

[mrwigglesby21]

Its very rare that a team produces above their talent rank. What MF is doing from a pure player development standpoint is very impressive. Which is why he's now drawing NFL interest. NFL team's proprietary metrics are probably better/ahead of F+. Marcus Freeman is legit and deserves to be extended NOW!

Nah. ND future is dim with Freeman at the helm. If only we still had Kelly.

 

[Chitown11]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

You can wipe your a$$ with this stupid F+ system. Bucknuts at No.1 although they lost to Oregon. Oregon undefeated but at #3. Ole Miss at #4 with three losses. LMFAO, quit posting this garbage, its meaningless.

 

[burmafrd1943]

chase his balls has outdone himself with stupidity

I wonder if this F+ garbage was thought up by someone using a phony Ouija board

 

[stu4don]

Just looked at the depth chart. This is a very young team. We'll have to get a new QB ready, someone to replace Watts and Kiser and Evans -- Morrison has already been replaced out of necessity.

The only real question for next year is QB. (But I like our room.)

 

[chaseball]

Just looked at the depth chart. This is a very young team. We'll have to get a new QB ready, someone to replace Watts and Kiser and Evans -- Morrison has already been replaced out of necessity.

The only real question for next year is QB. (But I like our room.)

You know CJ carr is thrilled beyond belief with Notre Dame's performance this season and with his decision to come to Notre Dame during a really uncertain transition period. The risk that he made putting his faith in Marcus Freeman has paid off and now he's ready to take over as Notre Dame starting quarterback next year with a running game and defense that's going to keep him in every game and make him look really good

 

[BGI User 756]

You know CJ carr is thrilled beyond belief with Notre Dame's performance this season and with his decision to come to Notre Dame during a really uncertain transition period. The risk that he made putting his faith in Marcus Freeman has paid off and now he's ready to take over as Notre Dame starting quarterback next year with a running game and defense that's going to keep him in every game and make him look really good

lol. After trashing ND all year….

 

[NDinNJ]

I've been evaluating the football program with the F+ system since the early 2010s. This is the best Notre Dame team on record.

MF F+ by season:
2022: 22nd
2023: 8th
2024: 5th

Extend Marcus Freeman now!

NDs talent rank is 9th, but their F+ rank is 5th in the country. Amazing! FPI is even more bullish on the Irish and has them ranked 3rd in the country. Considering all the injuries to the players on the first team (including their best player/pro prospect coming into the season: BenMo) its just been a remarkable coaching job all around.

Any top tier recruit not considering ND at this point is a fool. MF and his coaching staff will develop you as good/if not better than anybody else in the country ESPECIALLY on defense!

Top 5
1. OSU, 2.39
2. Texas, 2.01
3. Oregon, 1.97
4. Ole Miss, 1.96
5. Notre Dame, 1.86

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

The fact that you're getting your information from a site called BCF TOYS should be all you need to know about the info.