Angeli is similar to Steve Walsh the old Miami QB. Not flashy but productive when he is surrounded by the right people. We all know what Walsh accomplished.
Angeli to portal
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He could have very well been, probably was #2 after the Spring. What does this have to do with anything Gav?
Who in this entire thread referenced Drew Allar ? To answer your question though, no Allar should not have held on to the ball. His first read was not there and Sneed was coming. He should have thrown the ball away.
A fair skill set comparison. Walsh executed the position really, really well. Really good ball handler, and a great pocket presence.
Recruiting rankings are a data point (and a positive one here). So is Elite 11, Spring Game, practice highlights, and player/coach buzz factor. I had zero confidence in Buchner, and very little belief in Wimbush (both always had accuracy and field awareness issues). Never developed an opinion on Kiel. There is still so much uncertainty but under totality of circumstances I love Carr's upside.
As to SJB's clipboard question. Experience trumps raw talent in a substitution scenario; raw talent trumps experience in a direction of program situation. It's a pretty well established football axiom and sad for his confusion at this point in his life.
He doesn't seem to understand the concept of a " depth chart ".
Eh, you gotta make a choice. You can't do both at the same time and then go back in time and pick the one you like between the two. And I say Angeli's good enough that he could be the starter and you could make the playoff again and with him. So it's a tough choice. If Angeli sucked, like Andrew Hendrix or something, it would be no choice at all. But he doesn't, he's a totally good player. So you still gotta make a choice, and you can have all your maxims and precepts you follow, and then you make a terrible blunder, even though you were trying your hardest to make the best choice, and you had all your sound logic behind it. Only thing that matters is that you make the right one. Doesn't matter what your reasoning was in the slightest. That's just something people do cover their ass when they F up and then someone demands an explanation.
So to me it was a tough choice, and Angeli's good enough that he could have been the right one. But we'll never know. Unless maybe Angeli goes to Tenn and leads them to the playoff, and Carr sucks and struggles and we go 8-4. Then you might know.
Or Angeli goes to TENN and SUCKS and Carr takes us to a NC
I will be looking forward to your PAIN if this were to happen
Doubtless you will. But it's not going to be bum me out that bad. I will admit that CJ Carr is the QB of the three I have the least affinity for. If it were me, I'd go with Minchey first, and then Angeli second. But I'm really not that invested, I just like Minchey, and this is the big offseason thing for ND, coming off a championship game appearance, and with such bright prospects ahead. So everyone has their opinion, naturally. And their preferences and prejudices. While you have become invested enough, it would appear as to be overcome at the tantalizing possibility of some gratifying schadenfreude, involving the miserable failure of a former ND player. Especially one as widely liked and warmly regarded as Angeli.
And I don't know how to finish that. Other than I look forward to your sense of compunction and regret! Even though you will not experience that in any event. Certainly not over something like this.
I agree. I believe ND is good enough to make the CFP with any of the three. That said I also understand that a 3 man competition is not practical and frankly unfair to all participants. Like you said a decision had to be made. We shall see but I just don't see Angelis departure as any more impactful than say Coogan or Spindler.
What are you talking about? Coogan and Spindler probably are making more money and very well could have been all-conference starters as seniors, even though ND is not in a conference, as opposed to outright A-As, as that's too high a bar to have to meet in terms of recognition. As evidenced by the quality OL play of this past season, when they ended up playing key roles as starters after initially being rudely replaced by up and coming underclassmen, and were among the most highly rated OL in the portal. So their departure has been quite impactful, as they're no longer on the team, and thus are no longer available to play for ND under any circumstances. I'm not sure what logical fallacy you're guilty of, perhaps begging the question? But you are treating the fact that the coaches yet again snubbed them, presumably leading to their departures in the portal, as evidence of a superior OL unit for 2025 that as of now only exists on paper. And the exact same thing would be true with Angeli and CJ Carr as the preferred 'golden boy' up and comer.
And on that note, I think this subject has been quite exhausted. Good luck to Steve wherever he ends up. I just hope he starts so we can watch him. Everybody likes Steve Angeli!
The loss of the three offensive linemen to the portal will have zero impact on the 2025 season short of about 8 or 9 guys in that room getting injured. Do you think they would have left if they were in line to start ? They left to see the field with their remaining eligibility. Barring catastrophe that wasn't going to happen at ND. They didn't even wait for the spring portal because that was the case. No one got snubbed it's just what it is. Superior talent in the pipeline.
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That's actually a good question. They weren't necessarily snubbed a 2nd time. Given the serious yeoman's work they had performed helping ND get to the playoff final. And so they left, they wanted the payday, and they didn't want to take the chance that they'd get demoted, on account of some coach's larger agenda. It happened to them before, so why wouldn't it happen to them again. That could be why Pendleton left, because Rocco and Coogan ended up performing so admirably that he figured that they had both re-affirmed their status as rock solid starters heading into 2025. So much so that they ended up themselves leaving near the end of the portal window for the reasons I mentioned previously. For the handsome payday, and on account of the precariousness of their spots on the depth chart given their coaches' apparent predilection for younger players.
The information I received could be incorrect, but I’m told that not one player from Ohio State entered the transfer portal.
What does that tell you ?
Handsome payday from Indiana ? I can assure you that's not the case. That program is far from handsome paydays to anyone yet. They're certainly working on it for sure. Saying players were "snubbed" really indicates to me that you haven't experienced or are familiar with the working dynamics of a major college football program. Yes, Coogan and Spindler did an admirable job last year when called upon. I wouldn't label either as rock solid. The term "serviceable" seems more appropriate to me. The fact that they hit the portal immediately after the postseason ended speaks volumes.
UNsavvy is ranked just below Chase His Ball and Bucky the Bum as far as trolls go.
No you can't assure me. You don't know shit about IU's NIL setup. Nror do you know shit about ND's OL room, nor do you know shit about ND's TV contract. You are not some sort of player in the CFB world, sir. You're on a sorry-ass free message board with about 20 guys on it, just talking some football, that's all anyone's doing. So enough with all your arrogant claims, okay?
I think you’ll find that two (2) not 15 players entered the spring portal at Ohio State, a punter and a wide receiver
Where did you get the number 15 from,?
What speaks volumes is Sam Pendleton being named a starter on the OL to start 2024. Pendleton, IMO, had no business starting, based on what I watched last season.
I am still SMH at that.
Was Rocco snubbed by Marcus Freeman? I have no idea what to call it, however, I do know this....an odd decision, IMHO.
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Ohio St has had 15 players enter the portal since it opened. You did not specify " spring portal" in your query. I believe they have added 4 or 5 players.
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Coaches everywhere at every level make mistakes all the time. Recognizing them and correcting them are much more important.
If ND landed Arch Manning, or Dante Moore, or some other composite #1 QB prospect, I'd get it. But add this to the trash heap of homer takes you make that have zero basis in reality.
Arch Manning has played in 13 games in college....while it seems he's been in college about 7 years now. Moore has played in 8 starting in 5....with mixed results. Neither of them have proven their #1 ranking. Not yet. Carr's potential is at their level.....maybe more.
Of course.
Dante will likely skip Oregon’s Spring game and transfer by the end of the week.
🤣🤣 you still only look at recruiting rankings and think they are the only thing that counts
I cited the number of players as of the date of my post and can’t predict the number of players portaling post my post.
Yeah you were wrong. Your sources said zero. It wasn't zero. They were wrong. It's okay. Move on
