a pile of drivel as usual denying that you think money is all that matters
Angeli to portal
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I don't believe money was a factor at all. Freeman publicly stated he wanted to see a two man competition for the starting position in fall camp knowing full well a 3 man battle does not allow enough repetitions to go around. After the spring session it was decided Angeli would not be one of the two. With two years of eligibility remaining he chose the option he felt was in his best interests. End of story.
You are one of the few people who have faith in what I said so let me give you an analogy. Nick Foles took the Eagles to the Super Bowl years ago. He literally was the face of the Eagles first sitting on the bench until opportunity arose. He literally belonged there. But the next year they traded him stating that Carson Wentz was the future. Wentz never succeeded in Philly due to injury etc and Foles career went nowhere outside of Philly. After that I truly believed if it ain't broke don't fix it. That's how I see Angeli. He wanted to be the ND QB, waited his turn, always played great when he got his chance but was passed over for others who might be better. Time will tell but Angeli produced no matter if it was pretty or not. To keep all of them, Freeman could have made Angeli the starter with Carr and Minchey also getting playing time. Running QBs haven't succeeded consitently here outside Holtz and Riley Leonard so the odds of a running QB succeeding in my opinion is low. I don't have any confidence in the freshman either.
I once again understand your point and agree with the above.
We had a pretty good situation of having an underclassman with a ton of upside and the senior leader with poise that could win a big game if called upon.
But if this was a Angelli decision over a staff telling this kid to look somewhere else there is nothing more to really discuss except wish Steve the very best and appreciate his contribution to the program and respect his decision.
Jmo.
Neither Carr or Minchey are considered running quarterbacks but are definitely more athletic than Angeli. The head coach, offensive coordinator and QB coach appear to have come to a consensus. No different than Coogan and Spindler moving on.
Of course it was. Unless he was told he doesn't have a scholarship anymore, and MF really meant it. You either get yourself in that top two or you're off the team! And Angeli didn't even have a spot anymore. Previously, MF had only said we don't know who's going to be the starter, we'll have to see how it evolves, it could even last into the fall. Eventually that become untenable, in the age of the portal, NIL, and the constant swirl of chatter and speculation on social media and podcast-osphere, and so narrowing it down to two before the season was more prudent. And here we are.
And did you just say he chose the option he felt was in his best interest? Really, he did? That's crazy. I didn't know you could do that. People do that? Well ain't that something. Even for you, that's quite the platitude.
If we go based purely on recruiting rating CJ Carr is a pretty typical backend top 100 prospect / recruit that Notre Dame typically gets at the position.
Wimbush, Buchner, Kiel, and others I'm forgetting were all rated similarly
Seriously. Let’s say we have an injury here and a transfer there… this wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
Short term, no its not the worst idea. It'd be very tough to stop. Long term its a good way to deter top recruits. One can dream, right???
Carr is the best QB prospect we've landed since Clausen imo
The head coach and OC also came to a consensus, with a title game on the line, who would play QB against Penn State when Riley Leonard was injured.
Kenny Minchey never took his visor off.
I thought about this for 24 hours. Angeli produced when he had to. When the lights and cameras were live. I get that Freeman doesn't wanna lose Carr or Minchey but I think that Angeli deserved a chance for a few quarters anyway. If he doesn't produce then sit him. History says he would have produced with an intact O line. Carr and Minchey remains to be seen. Not for debate anymore. What's done is done. Just remember my Nick Foles story next season.
Yep. And now we are in the 25 season.
And Steve will never see the field unless he comes in a visitors uniform
Nothing is deserved. You have to earn it. The job was there for Steve to win. It was a competition. He's not as talented as those 2 others and never will be. He lost the job.
Kelly Bryant was 12 and 2 the year before Trevor Lawrence. Then he was 2 and 0 to start the season. Dabo made the switch and Clemson won the NC
Brandon Wimbush was 4 and 0 and he got removed for Ian Book. ND went on to make the Playoff
Just remember those 2 stories for next season
Also your Nick Foles story is a little off. He wasn't traded the next season. He was actually on the team the next year. He started 5 games and 2 playoff games. He went 1 and 1 in the playoffs and threw 4 ints in the playoffs. He was gone the year after and his career went much like most of it did. Because he was a very average QB who went on a magical 3 game run on a loaded team.
I stand corrected with my Nick Foles facts except he did play well in the playoffs you were referring to. The last interception should have been caught by Alshon Jeffrey on a drive that would have won the game. Not Foles fault. The Eagles were driving in Saints territory for the winning TD and it went through Jeffrey's hands to set the record straight. So had it not been for the botched non- catch Foles would most likely have won another playoff game.
I asked this same question on Minchey transferring and you literally responded with “I assume you’re an adult.” You’re a mess Gav
I trust this coaching staff! They see these guys everyday in practice. Not sure if Angeli saw the writing on the wall or the staff gave him a heads up out of fairness.
Talent always beats out experience, not to mention the staff knows the first two games are @Miami and TAM. Two ranked opponents. They are confident whoever they pick can win games.
Talent always beats out experience, not to mention the staff knows the first two games are @Miami and TAM. Two ranked opponents. They are confident whoever they pick can win games.
I ve been saying for a while that i believe the team can certainly make the playoff with any of the 3 QBs starting. The staff knows it's not an ideal situation for anyone to have a legitimate 3 player competition for any position let alone Quarterback. There are only so many reps to go around. It's not a position group where players rotate liberally during the course of the game. As in any billion dollar business hard decisions have to be made. Best of luck to young Mr. Angeli. I'll be curious to see where he lands.
Look.....if this was 10 years ago it would be simple.....three man race in fall camp...if it's close Angeli starts but if he falters next man in. In this day and age where you do not have to sit out a season your most valuable currency is years of eligibility. If this are close you defer to years of eligibility. Case closed.
I'm curious to hear if the expectations for the coming season have changed for anyone here based on this move by Angeli ? Mine have not.
No. You play the best players that give you best chance to win and compete for the NC. That is the 2 younger much more talented players. It is very simple
My expectations for the season have actually gone up with the d line looking much improved in the interior.
The TE position could use another quality player and it looks like staff is in pursuit of a couple of guys in the portal. Maybe we get one.
Kicking game ? Maybe not the greatest who knows.
As far as qb is concerned I don’t think it’s wise go to the portal for a new starting qb every season . Rolling with Carr or Minchey is the recipe for a big multi year run at the prize and keeps cohesion .
The roster is top to bottom as complete at Notre Dame that I’ve seen in a long time.
Jmo
The TE position could use another quality player and it looks like staff is in pursuit of a couple of guys in the portal. Maybe we get one.
Kicking game ? Maybe not the greatest who knows.
As far as qb is concerned I don’t think it’s wise go to the portal for a new starting qb every season . Rolling with Carr or Minchey is the recipe for a big multi year run at the prize and keeps cohesion .
The roster is top to bottom as complete at Notre Dame that I’ve seen in a long time.
Jmo
I'm feeling sentimental about Angeli, I wish he could have started next year. I think he's a good player and can be a good starter, and not only would have comfortably taken us to the playoff last year, could also take us back to the playoffs this upcoming season. But I guess we're going with CJ Carr. I like Minchey the best of the three, but it's probably going to be Carr, so gotta get used to it.
To be blunt Angeli did NOT play great in the small amount of playing time he got. He played well but that is all.
You are basically saying he is proven but HE IS NOT
Angeli did not have that much experience so no real edge there
I think it is telling that he is the odd man out over two who have not played
Freeman and company believe that Carr and Minchey are their best bets.
Angeli is choosing to go elsewhere
pretty simple
now for those whining about injury, well, in this day and age of the Portal you can no longer stash several stars at each position. If you can keep two you are doing pretty good.
I think it is telling that he is the odd man out over two who have not played
Freeman and company believe that Carr and Minchey are their best bets.
Angeli is choosing to go elsewhere
pretty simple
now for those whining about injury, well, in this day and age of the Portal you can no longer stash several stars at each position. If you can keep two you are doing pretty good.
Go back and watch his game highlights. It's nonsense when people say he's not athletic. He has a great and accurate arm and he is very smart at moving the ball down the field. He will do well wherever he lands. I think he should play for PJ Fleck. He is committed to the offense.
He's not unathletic. He's a decent athlete. I think you are going a little whacko when you say he has a great arm. He doesn't. But it's solid. And I think he will do pretty well wherever he goes because he's a solid QB. He's just not better than what's on our roster and that's okay. Actually it's really good for us
I'm not sure what you mean by Fleck is committed to the offense. He hasn't fielded a good offense since 2019 and that was his only good offense in his 8 years there. But I think Minn is a good spot for Angeli. Not near the top of p4 but a solid team mostly. He can do well there
Just do not go to Purdue, which I read was a possibility.
Minnesota would be a good choice, IMHO.
Good discussion Burma.
I like your perspective.
I think some including myself are accustomed to the Nick Saban era where every QB and guy off the bench is a 5 star recruit.
The playing field is starting to level off ……
He played well when called upon and that's a credit to him. I wouldn't consider him an " athletic" QB or someone who would be efficient in a RPO heavy type of offense. My biggest complaint when he did play was he had a bad habit of holding the ball way too long resulting in a high percentage of sacks given the number of dropbacks and limited escapability. Really accurate thrower with nice touch. Certainly not a big arm but really efficient.
“…bad habit of holding the ball way too long…” Penn St. QB Drew Allar threw a late game mindless interception against ND, maybe Drew should hold onto the ball.
He does a nice job with what he has. If he had better players he would put a lot more points on the board. More than his peers.
Unfortunately, I don’t think this was about Angeli. It’s about CJ Carr. It’s been about Carr since he first stepped on campus.
