A Way to the dance..?

[Get Nasty]

so play a weak schedule and don’t join a conference is you argument?
Wow!

Yep because playing Michigan, USC, Stanford and adding Clemson, Ohio state and other great programs are playing a weak schedule.

ND year in and year out has one of if not the most diverse schedules based on quality of teams they play, locations they have to travel to, and styles of play.

 

[Get Nasty]

A 1 loss Penn State would have more on their resume if the loss is a close one to Ohio St than we do.

A win over UM----road win at Iowa----road win at Mich St-----road win at Minnesota.

It's a better resume than ours IMO.

The true nightmare could be Ohio St beats Wisc in regular season and finishes 12-0. Loses to Wisc in Big Ten Title game.

Both finish 12-1----both could get in

Penn state only has a claim over ND with one loss if they win big ten title.

ND would have won @ UM, Iowa is overrated, Mich St is trash, Minnesota is TBD. A one loss PSU team that does not get in big ten championship is not getting in.

 

[Get Nasty]

Probably Utah. Better than anyone on the ND schedule. Plus, they will playing not sitting.

the utah team that lost to USC?

 

[Get Nasty]

Right now ND doesn't look like a final four team, so i'm not even worried about that. They need to make some significant improvements over the bye week and come out firing vs UM and the closing stretch. They do that, then i'm ready to discuss them in the final four.

 

[echowaker]

CCG = 2 highly ranked teams competing, head to head
No CCG = sitting home letting two good teams battle providing you a free pass!

every CCG does not always consist of two highly ranked teams.

 

[d1042]

every CCG does not always consist of two highly ranked teams.

but on any given Sat.
(except if you are sitting it out)

 

[TDIrish27]

Penn state only has a claim over ND with one loss if they win big ten title.

ND would have won @ UM, Iowa is overrated, Mich St is trash, Minnesota is TBD. A one loss PSU team that does not get in big ten championship is not getting in.

Their resume is better than ours at 11-1 with a close loss to Ohio St .

Minn is going to be a 9-10 win team-----Iowa and Mich St regardless of how good or not good they are will be 8 win teams and all those wins would be road wins which counts with the Committee.

 

[d1042]

the utah team that lost to USC?

they actually handled SC better than ND. They had a couple errors atthe wrong time and paid for it.

 

[lyonhawk]

but on any given Sat.
(except if you are sitting it out)

You're not making sense anymore. At first, not playing in a CCG hurt ND because it's "two highly ranked teams." After it's pointed out, that's not always the case, you say this, which implies the bad team can beat the good team. That would actually be a benefit to skipping the CCG, you don't have to take a chance losing to someone like Wake Forest. The SEC and Big 10 CCGs this year look like they'll basically be quarterfinals. The Big 12, ACC, and MAYBE Pac 12 are going to be unnecessary risks for that conference's only hope at the CFP.

 

[d1042]

You're not making sense anymore. At first, not playing in a CCG hurt ND because it's "two highly ranked teams." After it's pointed out, that's not always the case, you say this, which implies the bad team can beat the good team. That would actually be a benefit to skipping the CCG, you don't have to take a chance losing to someone like Wake Forest. The SEC and Big 10 CCGs this year look like they'll basically be quarterfinals. The Big 12, ACC, and MAYBE Pac 12 are going to be unnecessary risks for that conference's only hope at the CFP.

echo said highly ranked teams are not always participants in CCG.
(but it is very rare that at least 1 is not a high ranked team)

 

[napy2121]

they actually handled SC better than ND. They had a couple errors atthe wrong time and paid for it.

Ummm WHAT? You do realize Utah ‘handled’ usc to the tune of a loss right? To be clear, usc beat Utah by a touchdown. So clearly speaking, what exactly do you mean Utah handled them better than Nd? Utah was widely panned for playing all man /1on1 coverage on their receivers. Are you thinking of a different game or year entirely?

 

[d1042]

Ummm WHAT? You do realize Utah ‘handled’ usc to the tune of a loss right? To be clear, usc beat Utah by a touchdown. So clearly speaking, what exactly do you mean Utah handled them better than Nd? Utah was widely panned for playing all man /1on1 coverage on their receivers. Are you thinking of a different game or year entirely?

they outplayed SC for the better part of the game!
TOP/ 1st downs. T/O’s

(you better never post about ND losing to CU better than Ala.! )

 

[napy2121]

they outplayed SC for the better part of the game!

(you better never post about ND losing to CU better than Ala.! )

USC never trailed Utah in that game. Similarly ND lead on usc nearly the entire game. What in the world are you even talking about?

 

[d1042]

go watch the game!

what is your point about Utah? and as relates to ND?

 

[napy2121]

go watch the game!

I watched the whole game. Would you like to even try to verbalize how it’s possible to contend a team that never lead in a game in a loss, actually played better then a team that won a game and lead for nearly the entire game. It’s baffling to those who watched both games.

 

[Golson5]

Their resume is better than ours at 11-1 with a close loss to Ohio St .

Minn is going to be a 9-10 win team-----Iowa and Mich St regardless of how good or not good they are will be 8 win teams and all those wins would be road wins which counts with the Committee.

No it would not be

 

[Golson5]

they actually handled SC better than ND. They had a couple errors atthe wrong time and paid for it.

This is not true

 

[Golson5]

I watched the whole game. Would you like to even try to verbalize how it’s possible to contend a team that never lead in a game in a loss, actually played better then a team that won a game and lead for nearly the entire game. It’s baffling to those who watched both games.

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[tbonesays]

Penn state only has a claim over ND with one loss if they win big ten title.

ND would have won @ UM, Iowa is overrated, Mich St is trash, Minnesota is TBD. A one loss PSU team that does not get in big ten championship is not getting in.

A one-loss Penn State big ten champion does not get into the playoffs? What sport are we talking about?

 

[d1042]

A one-loss Penn State big ten champion does not get into the playoffs? What sport are we talking about?

whatever it is, it does not start and end in South Bend! whole world out there people!

1 loss B10 champ vs ND’s best W which is actually a L?
are you kidding?

 

[Golson5]

A one-loss Penn State big ten champion does not get into the playoffs? What sport are we talking about?

Hes saying they wont get in over us if they are a 1loss non big ten champ

 

[d1042]

Hes saying they wont get in over us if they are a 1loss non big ten champ

Only 1 team in B10 gets in. Agree on that. But PSU and Wisc as 1 win teams would have a stronger case than ND which makes me think the committee will look away from ND.

(can PSU and Wisc even be 1 L teams?)

truth be told - if the committee really believes in who the 4 best teams are, those are the teams that should be sent to the playoffs.

 

[Golson5]

Only 1 team in B10 gets in. Agree on that. But PSU and Wisc as 1 win teams would have a stronger case than ND which makes me think the committee will look away from ND.

(can PSU and Wisc even be 1 W teams?)

truth be told - if the committee really believes in who the 4 best teams are, those are the teams that should be sent to the playoffs.

Psu would not. Havent looked at Wisconsins schedule to know

 

[d1042]

if both finish undefeated, meet in CCG then 1 could theoretically be a 1 loss B10 non champion.

both PSU and Wisc would need to beat tOSU to do this.

 

[Golson5]

if both finish undefeated, meet in CCG then 1 could theoretically be a 1 loss B10 non champion.

both PSU and Wisc would need to beat tOSU to do this.

Psu could lose to OSU in the regular season and be a 1 loss non big 10 champ. They wouldn't make their CCG. Their resume would not be better than ours. Or it would be very comparable. They would have a loss later in the season and not be on the winning streak we would. Also, how they lose would factor in

 

[tbonesays]

Psu could lose to OSU in the regular season and be a 1 loss non big 10 champ. They wouldn't make their CCG. Their resume would not be better than ours. Or it would be very comparable. They would have a loss later in the season and not be on the winning streak we would. Also, how they lose would factor in

Okay I misread it.

12-1 PSU or any other BUG champ is in.
11-1 PSU as 2nd place finisher in the east. Their problem is that they lost to Ohio State who is presumably conf champion and already in the playoff. I think the PC only looks at 2nd place division finishers if there are no other obvious choices.

 

[d1042]

Okay I misread it.

12-1 PSU or any other BUG champ is in.
11-1 PSU as 2nd place finisher in the east. Their problem is that they lost to Ohio State who is presumably conf champion and already in the playoff. I think the PC only looks at 2nd place division finishers if there are no other obvious choices.

And you consider ND an obvious choice? what a surprise! A ND fan considers non conference ND, with no chance for a meaningful W, an obvious choice!
ND will not even have beaten a conference runner up, it best W was actually a L.. Hopefully, for ND’s benefit, all logic eludes the selection committee.

 

[chitown sot]

Not sure why we are having this discussion. ND is not going to playoff this year. ND does not look like a final 4 team, anyone with a football IQ can see this. They are a good team not a great one. The one loss to GA and with GA loss to SC killed it. Best hope now is 11-1, go to a major bowl and WIN.......for once.

 

[d1042]

going through the SEC or P12 or B10 or B12 or ACC schedules with a single loss is an impressive season. Intra conference rivalries take physical and emotional tolls on athletes still physically and mentally developing.
But then there is the CCG’s which (in most instances) essentially eliminates, possibly a previously unbeaten or a 1 loss team. But because these are post season losses (thus late season losses) they count more than another other loss. That allows a non conference team that has no risk of losing in a-tough CCG the easier path to the playoffs. Sound fair?
The playoffs were setup to attempt to find and pair the best teams for determining a NC.
The playoff committee has the power and duty to take these factors in consideration when trying to pick the 4 teams that are the probably the best 4 teams in the country. No team should get in ‘a back door’.

 

[echowaker]

Not sure why we are having this discussion. ND is not going to playoff this year. ND does not look like a final 4 team, anyone with a football IQ can see this. They are a good team not a great one. The one loss to GA and with GA loss to SC killed it. Best hope now is 11-1, go to a major bowl and WIN.......for once.

only the playoff and championship games are "major" bowls.

 

[d1042]

only the playoff and championship games are "major" bowls.

so predictable! who didn’t know that was coming! I thought of warning the poster!

replace major with ‘lucrative or prestigious’

 

[Golson5]

And you consider ND an obvious choice? what a surprise! A ND fan considers non conference ND, with no chance for a meaningful W, an obvious choice!
ND will not even have beaten a conference runner up, it best W was actually a L.. Hopefully, for ND’s benefit, all logic eludes the selection committee.

Our best win will be better than PSUs. We could have beaten a conf runner up, Virginia, Duke, Tech could possibly play Clemson in acc championship.

An 11 and 1 ND will be sitting in the 4 to 7 range so we'll be right there in the mix

 

[Golson5]

Not sure why we are having this discussion. ND is not going to playoff this year. ND does not look like a final 4 team, anyone with a football IQ can see this. They are a good team not a great one. The one loss to GA and with GA loss to SC killed it. Best hope now is 11-1, go to a major bowl and WIN.......for once.

The Georgia loss actually helped ND. We'll be in the mix for that 4 spot if we are 11 and 1. Do we get in? Maybe, maybe not. But we have a shot

 

[Golson5]

going through the SEC or P12 or B10 or B12 or ACC schedules with a single loss is an impressive season. Intra conference rivalries take physical and emotional tolls on athletes still physically and mentally developing.
But then there is the CCG’s which (in most instances) essentially eliminates, possibly a previously unbeaten or a 1 loss team. But because these are post season losses (thus late season losses) they count more than another other loss. That allows a non conference team that has no risk of losing in a-tough CCG the easier path to the playoffs. Sound fair?
The playoffs were setup to attempt to find and pair the best teams for determining a NC.
The playoff committee has the power and duty to take these factors in consideration when trying to pick the 4 teams that are the probably the best 4 teams in the country. No team should get in ‘a back door’.

The Pac 12 and Big 12 are trash. What are you talking about tough lol. And if there is a 1 loss team that doesn't play in their conf champ game say a PSU, we have a good chance of getting in over them as well. Also, Clemson better not slip up with their schedule as well. 11 and 1 ND wil be in the mix in the 4 to 7 range. Sorry to burst your bubble

 

[echowaker]

so predictable! who didn’t know that was coming! I thought of warning the poster!

replace major with ‘lucrative or prestigious’

what's "prestigious" about a consolation game ? lucrative i'll grant you to a point.

 

[d1042]

what's "prestigious" about a consolation game ? lucrative i'll grant you to a point.

Orange bowl vs Papa John

football fans impressions are they are of different prestige

 

[d1042]

The Pac 12 and Big 12 are trash. What are you talking about tough lol. And if there is a 1 loss team that doesn't play in their conf champ game say a PSU, we have a good chance of getting in over them as well. Also, Clemson better not slip up with their schedule as well. 11 and 1 ND wil be in the mix in the 4 to 7 range. Sorry to burst your bubble

another delusional Fan.

 

[Golson5]

another delusional Fan.

You are delusional if you think the the pac n big 12 are good this year. Start watching more football and posting less

 

[tbonesays]

And you consider ND an obvious choice? what a surprise! A ND fan considers non conference ND, with no chance for a meaningful W, an obvious choice!
ND will not even have beaten a conference runner up, it best W was actually a L.. Hopefully, for ND’s benefit, all logic eludes the selection committee.

Well it's obvious to everyone else. Also obvious is that we don't have any information that would allow us to squint at 11-1 teams other than they would come from the BUG. So I really don't see your point.

 

[chitown sot]

only the playoff and championship games are "major" bowls.

Yeah ok, you know exactly what I meant.