Been away and finally watched the spring game (Buchner)

[88ND]

I made some notes and then quit the rinse and repeat nonsense...

Buchner...
5:45 mark
button hook route complete to Colzie

5:25 mark..
Looks completely to the left flat, guess what...throws to the left flat...
Should've been a pick 7.
Why?
Staring down the target, and a weak arm. A floating sailing pass.

Then does his infamous stare at the Tron with that mystified look that only he can do with a who put the foam orange peanuts in my bag while trick or treating

At the 4:40 mark looks 100 percent to Colzie...
What do ya know...
Throws to Colzie.
Intercepted.
Why?
Staring down his target and a weak arm.
Another under thrown ball!

4:00 mark
Catchable pass from Hartman to Thomas.
#83 is terrified and short arm's the attempted catch as the safety was coming.

You remember that because if he plays like a coward that ball will get picked in the biggest and worst moment's in games.

I hope someone talks to him about there will be times you're going to take a shot.

I quit ear marking the time.
Buchner passes to Tyree on a quick slant.
Caught.

But!!

Ball caught on the hind shoulder pad.

It's little things like this that keep Buchner from being decent.

Tyree is quick. That play MUST be hit in stride gut high so the athlete...
can go be....
The athlete!!

That's a slipped tackle long score with Tyree running that route if hit in stride. What I mean is this year I can promise you Tyree will take that route from 50 plus yards and score.

Couple more passes to Estime and Tyree

All thrown very poorly.


So let's look at the differences.

Hartman quick release. Very.
Wants to score quickly.

Buchner locks in on one receiver. Mind made up before the snap. In the event that's clearly covered that he can see...
Sack.
Why?
Option 2,3,4,5...
Are nothing to him.
It's pre snap mind made up.

Buchner...it looked like Rees and Kelly never left.
Throwing the curl routes and the flare routes in the flat. Oh yeah...while locked in on his target.

Hartman...
A couple curl and sit routes but he was also trying to go down the field. It was a limited scrimmage but it was beautiful to see a ND QB trying to get chunk plays down the field.


I'm to the point. I don't coddle.
Buchner might be a nice kid and all that blah blah blah stuff but he's not a top QB.

He's Wimbush part II with a weaker arm.

Wish him the best and thank you for coming.


Estime, a beast

Tyree will make some nice runs after catches finally getting hit in stride.

The defense...

Marist is still terrible.

#20 is special

Junior needs to be inside(stupid putting him on the edge)

#34
Played a bit overwhelmed

He played tentative. Thinking too much. He'll be really good someday though

Salerno...
seems like he's been here since 2015🙄🙄

Now 120ish days to kickoff
🤬🤬🤬🤬

 

[BGI User 1596]

Sounds like a memorable parting performance!

 

[burmafrd1943]

But your post will make no difference to the numbies who keep claiming Buchner is going to be great.
NO EVIDENCE is enough to stop them.
Their minds are made up and that is that.

This is his third year and he is NO different then when he started here.
Enough is enough - I hope the guy transfers so we can free up a scholarship for someone who might actually be able to play college football

 

[theskibro]

But your post will make no difference to the numbies who keep claiming Buchner is going to be great.
NO EVIDENCE is enough to stop them.
Their minds are made up and that is that.

This is his third year and he is NO different then when he started here.
Enough is enough - I hope the guy transfers so we can free up a scholarship for someone who might actually be able to play college football

Do not understand the defense of Buchner.
1- Guy is not exceptional. He is good
2- The guy is terrible at progressions. Stares down receivers. Can’t find open nan
3- he is proven to be an error machine
4- he can make plays with his feet
5- he can n get hurt a lot. And has
6- he has every right to transfer
7- freeman has every right to bring in competition
8- if Hartman gets injured so what? Buchner chose to leave. That’s not on freeman
9- so support your team. They are doing everything to try and win
10- to Kyle Hamilton, Mike Goolsby etc. Shut your traps. Buchner did not want to compete at ND. That’s on him not freeman. If you want free crap for doing nothing in life you are a socialist. vote democrat and leave football out of it

 

[sjb75]

I made some notes and then quit the rinse and repeat nonsense...

Buchner...
5:45 mark
button hook route complete to Colzie

5:25 mark..
Looks completely to the left flat, guess what...throws to the left flat...
Should've been a pick 7.
Why?
Staring down the target, and a weak arm. A floating sailing pass.

Then does his infamous stare at the Tron with that mystified look that only he can do with a who put the foam orange peanuts in my bag while trick or treating

At the 4:40 mark looks 100 percent to Colzie...
What do ya know...
Throws to Colzie.
Intercepted.
Why?
Staring down his target and a weak arm.
Another under thrown ball!

4:00 mark
Catchable pass from Hartman to Thomas.
#83 is terrified and short arm's the attempted catch as the safety was coming.

You remember that because if he plays like a coward that ball will get picked in the biggest and worst moment's in games.

I hope someone talks to him about there will be times you're going to take a shot.

I quit ear marking the time.
Buchner passes to Tyree on a quick slant.
Caught.

But!!

Ball caught on the hind shoulder pad.

It's little things like this that keep Buchner from being decent.

Tyree is quick. That play MUST be hit in stride gut high so the athlete...
can go be....
The athlete!!

That's a slipped tackle long score with Tyree running that route if hit in stride. What I mean is this year I can promise you Tyree will take that route from 50 plus yards and score.

Couple more passes to Estime and Tyree

All thrown very poorly.


So let's look at the differences.

Hartman quick release. Very.
Wants to score quickly.

Buchner locks in on one receiver. Mind made up before the snap. In the event that's clearly covered that he can see...
Sack.
Why?
Option 2,3,4,5...
Are nothing to him.
It's pre snap mind made up.

Buchner...it looked like Rees and Kelly never left.
Throwing the curl routes and the flare routes in the flat. Oh yeah...while locked in on his target.

Hartman...
A couple curl and sit routes but he was also trying to go down the field. It was a limited scrimmage but it was beautiful to see a ND QB trying to get chunk plays down the field.


I'm to the point. I don't coddle.
Buchner might be a nice kid and all that blah blah blah stuff but he's not a top QB.

He's Wimbush part II with a weaker arm.

Wish him the best and thank you for coming.


Estime, a beast

Tyree will make some nice runs after catches finally getting hit in stride.

The defense...

Marist is still terrible.

#20 is special

Junior needs to be inside(stupid putting him on the edge)

#34
Played a bit overwhelmed

He played tentative. Thinking too much. He'll be really good someday though

Salerno...
seems like he's been here since 2015🙄🙄

Now 120ish days to kickoff
🤬🤬🤬🤬

Did you struggle when you played Quarterback in college?

 

[Kelso86]

But your post will make no difference to the numbies who keep claiming Buchner is going to be great.
NO EVIDENCE is enough to stop them.
Their minds are made up and that is that.

This is his third year and he is NO different then when he started here.
Enough is enough - I hope the guy transfers so we can free up a scholarship for someone who might actually be able to play college football

"But your post will make no difference to the numbies who keep claiming Buchner is going to be great.
NO EVIDENCE is enough to stop them.
Their minds are made up and that is that."

well, if he (Buchner) is going to be great -- it will be at Alabama.

 

[NDinNJ]

I made some notes and then quit the rinse and repeat nonsense...

Buchner...
5:45 mark
button hook route complete to Colzie

5:25 mark..
Looks completely to the left flat, guess what...throws to the left flat...
Should've been a pick 7.
Why?
Staring down the target, and a weak arm. A floating sailing pass.

Then does his infamous stare at the Tron with that mystified look that only he can do with a who put the foam orange peanuts in my bag while trick or treating

At the 4:40 mark looks 100 percent to Colzie...
What do ya know...
Throws to Colzie.
Intercepted.
Why?
Staring down his target and a weak arm.
Another under thrown ball!

4:00 mark
Catchable pass from Hartman to Thomas.
#83 is terrified and short arm's the attempted catch as the safety was coming.

You remember that because if he plays like a coward that ball will get picked in the biggest and worst moment's in games.

I hope someone talks to him about there will be times you're going to take a shot.

I quit ear marking the time.
Buchner passes to Tyree on a quick slant.
Caught.

But!!

Ball caught on the hind shoulder pad.

It's little things like this that keep Buchner from being decent.

Tyree is quick. That play MUST be hit in stride gut high so the athlete...
can go be....
The athlete!!

That's a slipped tackle long score with Tyree running that route if hit in stride. What I mean is this year I can promise you Tyree will take that route from 50 plus yards and score.

Couple more passes to Estime and Tyree

All thrown very poorly.


So let's look at the differences.

Hartman quick release. Very.
Wants to score quickly.

Buchner locks in on one receiver. Mind made up before the snap. In the event that's clearly covered that he can see...
Sack.
Why?
Option 2,3,4,5...
Are nothing to him.
It's pre snap mind made up.

Buchner...it looked like Rees and Kelly never left.
Throwing the curl routes and the flare routes in the flat. Oh yeah...while locked in on his target.

Hartman...
A couple curl and sit routes but he was also trying to go down the field. It was a limited scrimmage but it was beautiful to see a ND QB trying to get chunk plays down the field.


I'm to the point. I don't coddle.
Buchner might be a nice kid and all that blah blah blah stuff but he's not a top QB.

He's Wimbush part II with a weaker arm.

Wish him the best and thank you for coming.


Estime, a beast

Tyree will make some nice runs after catches finally getting hit in stride.

The defense...

Marist is still terrible.

#20 is special

Junior needs to be inside(stupid putting him on the edge)

#34
Played a bit overwhelmed

He played tentative. Thinking too much. He'll be really good someday though

Salerno...
seems like he's been here since 2015🙄🙄

Now 120ish days to kickoff
🤬🤬🤬🤬

I get what you are saying with Buchner, but i'm also not bought in on Hartman. I don't think he will meet the expectations of many on this board that believe he will be a Heisman candidate. Is he better than Buchner? He better be in his 6th year in college. I mean the dude is 24 years old, playing against 18-20 year olds, lol.

 

[Kelso86]

I get what you are saying with Buchner, but i'm also not bought in on Hartman. I don't think he will meet the expectations of many on this board that believe he will be a Heisman candidate. Is he better than Buchner? He better be in his 6th year in college. I mean the dude is 24 years old, playing against 18-20 year olds, lol.

I don't think he will meet the expectations of many on this board that believe he will be a Heisman candidate"

I am not of the opinion that he (Hartman) should be given the title of "Heisman candidate" just yet -- let's get through the 1st 8 games before we have that conversation.

But, to 88's comment -- "A couple curl and sit routes but he was also trying to go down the field. It was a limited scrimmage but it was beautiful to see a ND QB trying to get chunk plays down the field."

It was nice to see an ND QB getting the ball downfield -- even in a controlled scrimmage/practice session, it was nice to see -- and that was with a split squad -- looking forward to seeing the full offense in operation come August.

 

[NDblitz]

Did you struggle when you played Quarterback in college?

Anyone have Advil?

 

[88ND]

I get what you are saying with Buchner, but i'm also not bought in on Hartman. I don't think he will meet the expectations of many on this board that believe he will be a Heisman candidate. Is he better than Buchner? He better be in his 6th year in college. I mean the dude is 24 years old, playing against 18-20 year olds, lol.

I can't speak for others but I never once suggested anything Heisman related.

First of all we need to see a different offensive philosophy if a QB here will be a Heisman candidate.

The dink and dunk of the Rees/Kelly era isn't getting an invite to the downtown athletic club.
(Is it even held there anymore?)

What I don't understand is you're making excuses for Buchner not being as good as Hartman. You even go as far as throwing a laugh out loud in there...

I said this before and say again....
You DON'T COACH someone to be accurate. You can polish accuracy. You can tweak things to enhance accuracy but you can't make someone accurate.

There are some things you can't coach.
Speed....
You can't make someone fast who is slow. You can tweak things and get them a tad quicker but you can't make someone fast who isn't.

Arm strength...
You can't coach someone a strong arm. You can tweak things to get them a few more rpms upon release or a couple yards more distance wise but you can't coach a strong arm from a weak one.

Size...
The frame and height.

You can add mass to players but pending their frame determines how much mass.
There are incredible 195 pound blockers in high school. Absolutely textbook with perfect footwork. Put 100 pounds on them and you'll kill them. Frame too small to handle that much.

Height and frame. Mother Nature owns that one!

Accuracy...
Can't coach accuracy. Things can be tweaked to be more accurate but you won't make someone accurate who is innacurate.
Think about it. If accuracy was teachable then every smart 6'4" 235# person with nifty feet would be playing QB and with all these goofy specialty camps🙄🙄🙄🙄 and the year round mantra of football now being a 12 month ordeal...a QB would be easy to acquire.

Courage..
Can't teach it. That's inside the player and the bearer o' courage is the ONLY one who can turn that on or off.
Example...
Player (B)uchner ....
You tell him don't lock on to any players. Repeatedly over and over you scream don't make your mind up pre snap.
Well that takes time and trust if option #1 isn't open.
(The rush is coming)
If they ignore the cuoaching they're lacking the courage to hang in there going to a second and third option.

Or....they just can't remember where every route is being run on every play.
No matter how much they study they don't care because...see courage above...
Salvation supersedes option 2,3,4 and 5

Jumping...
Can't coach someone to be a high jumper. Maybe snag another inch or two on the vertical but they can jump or they can't

 

[sjb75]

I made some notes and then quit the rinse and repeat nonsense...

Buchner...
5:45 mark
button hook route complete to Colzie

5:25 mark..
Looks completely to the left flat, guess what...throws to the left flat...
Should've been a pick 7.
Why?
Staring down the target, and a weak arm. A floating sailing pass.

Then does his infamous stare at the Tron with that mystified look that only he can do with a who put the foam orange peanuts in my bag while trick or treating

At the 4:40 mark looks 100 percent to Colzie...
What do ya know...
Throws to Colzie.
Intercepted.
Why?
Staring down his target and a weak arm.
Another under thrown ball!

4:00 mark
Catchable pass from Hartman to Thomas.
#83 is terrified and short arm's the attempted catch as the safety was coming.

You remember that because if he plays like a coward that ball will get picked in the biggest and worst moment's in games.

I hope someone talks to him about there will be times you're going to take a shot.

I quit ear marking the time.
Buchner passes to Tyree on a quick slant.
Caught.

But!!

Ball caught on the hind shoulder pad.

It's little things like this that keep Buchner from being decent.

Tyree is quick. That play MUST be hit in stride gut high so the athlete...
can go be....
The athlete!!

That's a slipped tackle long score with Tyree running that route if hit in stride. What I mean is this year I can promise you Tyree will take that route from 50 plus yards and score.

Couple more passes to Estime and Tyree

All thrown very poorly.


So let's look at the differences.

Hartman quick release. Very.
Wants to score quickly.

Buchner locks in on one receiver. Mind made up before the snap. In the event that's clearly covered that he can see...
Sack.
Why?
Option 2,3,4,5...
Are nothing to him.
It's pre snap mind made up.

Buchner...it looked like Rees and Kelly never left.
Throwing the curl routes and the flare routes in the flat. Oh yeah...while locked in on his target.

Hartman...
A couple curl and sit routes but he was also trying to go down the field. It was a limited scrimmage but it was beautiful to see a ND QB trying to get chunk plays down the field.


I'm to the point. I don't coddle.
Buchner might be a nice kid and all that blah blah blah stuff but he's not a top QB.

He's Wimbush part II with a weaker arm.

Wish him the best and thank you for coming.


Estime, a beast

Tyree will make some nice runs after catches finally getting hit in stride.

The defense...

Marist is still terrible.

#20 is special

Junior needs to be inside(stupid putting him on the edge)

#34
Played a bit overwhelmed

He played tentative. Thinking too much. He'll be really good someday though

Salerno...
seems like he's been here since 2015🙄🙄

Now 120ish days to kickoff
🤬🤬🤬🤬

"I made some notes..."

Nick did not read them.

 

[NDinNJ]

I can't speak for others but I never once suggested anything Heisman related.

First of all we need to see a different offensive philosophy if a QB here will be a Heisman candidate.

The dink and dunk of the Rees/Kelly era isn't getting an invite to the downtown athletic club.
(Is it even held there anymore?)

What I don't understand is you're making excuses for Buchner not being as good as Hartman. You even go as far as throwing a laugh out loud in there...

I said this before and say again....
You DON'T COACH someone to be accurate. You can polish accuracy. You can tweak things to enhance accuracy but you can't make someone accurate.

There are some things you can't coach.
Speed....
You can't make someone fast who is slow. You can tweak things and get them a tad quicker but you can't make someone fast who isn't.

Arm strength...
You can't coach someone a strong arm. You can tweak things to get them a few more rpms upon release or a couple yards more distance wise but you can't coach a strong arm from a weak one.

Size...
The frame and height.

You can add mass to players but pending their frame determines how much mass.
There are incredible 195 pound blockers in high school. Absolutely textbook with perfect footwork. Put 100 pounds on them and you'll kill them. Frame too small to handle that much.

Height and frame. Mother Nature owns that one!

Accuracy...
Can't coach accuracy. Things can be tweaked to be more accurate but you won't make someone accurate who is innacurate.
Think about it. If accuracy was teachable then every smart 6'4" 235# person with nifty feet would be playing QB and with all these goofy specialty camps🙄🙄🙄🙄 and the year round mantra of football now being a 12 month ordeal...a QB would be easy to acquire.

Courage..
Can't teach it. That's inside the player and the bearer o' courage is the ONLY one who can turn that on or off.
Example...
Player (B)uchner ....
You tell him don't lock on to any players. Repeatedly over and over you scream don't make your mind up pre snap.
Well that takes time and trust if option #1 isn't open.
(The rush is coming)
If they ignore the cuoaching they're lacking the courage to hang in there going to a second and third option.

Or....they just can't remember where every route is being run on every play.
No matter how much they study they don't care because...see courage above...
Salvation supersedes option 2,3,4 and 5

Jumping...
Can't coach someone to be a high jumper. Maybe snag another inch or two on the vertical but they can jump or they can't

I'm not making excuses, I was rooting for Buchner because he was part of the team.

Let's be realistic, Buchner hasn't seen real significant playing time in 4 years, whereas Hartman has been playing full seasons for the better part of 5 years. Hartman should have won the competition hands down, and he did. I'm just saying I'm not sold on Hartman, because if he was as good as you and others are saying he is, he would be on the NFL draft board instead of coming back to college for a 6th year. Even Book opted out of 6th year, yet people think Hartman is a better QB than Book. lol

Buchner wasn't rated 4 stars coming out of HS because he sucked. He's definitely been a casualty of Covid and injuries. it sucks for him and ND.

 

[88ND]

I'm not making excuses, I was rooting for Buchner because he was part of the team.

Let's be realistic, Buchner hasn't seen real significant playing time in 4 years, whereas Hartman has been playing full seasons for the better part of 5 years. Hartman should have won the competition hands down, and he did. I'm just saying I'm not sold on Hartman, because if he was as good as you and others are saying he is, he would be on the NFL draft board instead of coming back to college for a 6th year. Even Book opted out of 6th year, yet people think Hartman is a better QB than Book. lol

Buchner wasn't rated 4 stars coming out of HS because he sucked. He's definitely been a casualty of Covid and injuries. it sucks for him and ND.

So you say you weren't making excuses and then proceed to....

make more excuses? Alrighty then.

Moreover...

I take exception....absolute exception to your statement of..
"I'm just saying I'm not sold on Hartman, because if he was as good as you and others are saying he is"

Please enlighten me on how and when I've said "how good he is" ?


Allow me to tell you what I've actually said about Hartman.

It's real simple. He is a major upgrade at the QB spot that we've been devoid of for a long time.

Now I didn't declare anything other than our QB play has been lackluster for far too long and he's a big step in the right direction.
The simple fact he's looking to get the ball downfield is a huge improvement. Whether it be because he has the arm to do that or just not afraid to sling it...
He doesn't play the position scared, timid and tentative.

Again...something desperately needed by our beloved for a LONG time and you don't win titles or even major bowl games for that matter playing timid, tentative and passing the ball terribly innacurate.

 

[burmafrd1943]

I'm not making excuses, I was rooting for Buchner because he was part of the team.

Let's be realistic, Buchner hasn't seen real significant playing time in 4 years, whereas Hartman has been playing full seasons for the better part of 5 years. Hartman should have won the competition hands down, and he did. I'm just saying I'm not sold on Hartman, because if he was as good as you and others are saying he is, he would be on the NFL draft board instead of coming back to college for a 6th year. Even Book opted out of 6th year, yet people think Hartman is a better QB than Book. lol

Buchner wasn't rated 4 stars coming out of HS because he sucked. He's definitely been a casualty of Covid and injuries. it sucks for him and ND.

its always someone else's fault

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Buchner is gone guys. Let's just move on. I'm excited for Hartman and a future competition between Minchey and Carr for the starting job next year.

 

[NDinNJ]

So you say you weren't making excuses and then proceed to....

make more excuses? Alrighty then.

Moreover...

I take exception....absolute exception to your statement of..
"I'm just saying I'm not sold on Hartman, because if he was as good as you and others are saying he is"

Please enlighten me on how and when I've said "how good he is" ?


Allow me to tell you what I've actually said about Hartman.

It's real simple. He is a major upgrade at the QB spot that we've been devoid of for a long time.

Now I didn't declare anything other than our QB play has been lackluster for far too long and he's a big step in the right direction.
The simple fact he's looking to get the ball downfield is a huge improvement. Whether it be because he has the arm to do that or just not afraid to sling it...
He doesn't play the position scared, timid and tentative.

Again...something desperately needed by our beloved for a LONG time and you don't win titles or even major bowl games for that matter playing timid, tentative and passing the ball terribly innacurate.

"The simple fact he's looking to get the ball downfield is a huge improvement. Whether it be because he has the arm to do that or just not afraid to sling it...
He doesn't play the position scared, timid and tentative."

How and where they throw the ball is based on the offensive playbook. NONE of the QB's were scared or timid and tentative, but rather it was the as you have said over and over again the 5 yard curls and dink pass plays that made them look timid and tentative. You could blame that on the previous regime. There is a new OC now, so we'll see how this plays out.

 

[NDinNJ]

its always someone else's fault

I'm not saying that either, he was just a victim of circumstance, injuries and covid did him in. It is what it is, wish him the best at Alabama, except if they play ND.

 

[burmafrd1943]

I'm not saying that either, he was just a victim of circumstance, injuries and covid did him in. It is what it is, wish him the best at Alabama, except if they play ND.

while those all contributed, bottom line is that he has had time to improve despite all that and HAS NOT.

 

[ftnfan62]

At the game and watched the replay. It was not even close. Hartman dominated. You am a huge Buch fan but after watching this, we went from a B+ to an A+.

MF made the trade of his career. The WR and TE’s are gonna all have a year and a half.

 

[88ND]

"The simple fact he's looking to get the ball downfield is a huge improvement. Whether it be because he has the arm to do that or just not afraid to sling it...
He doesn't play the position scared, timid and tentative."

How and where they throw the ball is based on the offensive playbook. NONE of the QB's were scared or timid and tentative, but rather it was the as you have said over and over again the 5 yard curls and dink pass plays that made them look timid and tentative. You could blame that on the previous regime. There is a new OC now, so we'll see how this plays out.

NO!
Have you ever been involved in an offense? I promise you I do NOT mean that maliciously...

All those 3 yard curl and sit routes that we loved conpleting....just to make you aware that on all those plays there were also 3 and sometimes 4 other routes being run on that very play.

Sometimes there are plays that are designed solely for one route where all others are run off's, decoys, etc.

But....

The player may or may not have confidence to make certain throws and without telling anyone will just forgo route y or x
That can happen.....

BK can do the red headed breathing fire thing and terrify them into playing in a shell.
This definitely happened...

Now let's review reality one more time.
Who was the last QB to really put forth an effort of at least trying to throw down field?
Brandon Wimbush!
He was terribly innacurate but he'd heave that sumbitch up there trying for a big play. He'd also toss a screen pass into the dirt or sail the 3 yard curl and sit route.

Before that Kizer.

Both players tried going down the field with the ball. Both had strong arms.
Same offensive philosophy under BK though so how could that be...??

Book...weak arm
Dink and dunk city

Coan...not a strong arm but he wasnt afraid to take a shot down field and did thread the needle a few times. But mostly it was short passing all over again.

Pyne...weak arm
No deep throws

Buchner...weak arm and innaccurate
The few sorta deep throws he did attempt were either off the mark or severely underthrown.
I say sorta because those "deep throws" weren't that deep. Maybe deep for a weaker arm but as stronger arm QB's go they weren't really deep whatsoever.

Look man...
Buchner wasn't a victim of anything. I'm not sure where this falling on his sword you're doing is coming from but Buchner had chances. Many.
He lost the job to Coan.
When Coan was having trouble he couldn't seize the opportunity then...
He beat out Pyne, another weak armed comrade, but then after getting destroyed and exposed by Marshall...then getting hurt taking a windy walk again...
Pyne took over and went on a little run playing very efficiently.

This spring hits, Pyne is gone...the QB competition is wide open. Right?
The spring game was wide open, right?

Except the performances of two QB's were greatly different.
I'm NOT talking about numbers. I'm talking about just watching how they played the position.
One QB...a new to the program QB...looked pretty damn good. Fairly in control of an offense and it's players that are foreign to him. He was looking to make plays down field. Get chunks of yardage passes.

Buchner...
Insert talking heads here.
Same as it ever was.
Same..
As...
it...
EVUH...
WWAAASSS
Completely focused on the short yardage safe passing.
Focused is the key word here because he focused alright. Focused completely on one receiver from the moment of the snap.

Deep balls...terribly under thrown. Short passes terribly innacurate. Easy passes turned adventurous.

Just know...I don't care who the #1 back is. I want them to do as best as they can. Success means good things fot our team.
Angeli, Minchey, Hartman...if they're taking snaps I'm rooting hard for them.

Buchner has left since the scrimmage thus he's not on my list.


One final note on Buchner...

His line didn't give the same protection early on as Hartman got. So he wasn't able to settle in immediately but...
BUT....
It's also called adversity. If he can't handle adverse conditions in a spring scrimmage where he's untouchable then how in the holy hell can you expect him to handle adverse moments against the opposition.

That scrimmage was very telling of what happens when he gets rattled.

Oh well...
if he goes on to do amazing things great. He just couldn't do them here...
which...
he...
already...
proved....
on...
several...
occasions

 

[88ND]

I'm not saying that either, he was just a victim of circumstance, injuries and covid did him in. It is what it is, wish him the best at Alabama, except if they play ND.

He had countless opportunities...

Weak arm he'll always have...
Accuracy issues he'll akways have....
Quickness he'll have for many years...

Yet he could not stop locking on to that one receiver pre snap...

And...

He can't seem to improve on getting easily rattled...then staring up to the tron with that, only Buchner can make mystified Buchner look.

He had tons of moments to seize the moment in his tenure here. Sorry

 

[IrishBeer]

"I made some notes..."

Nick did not read them.

You really are a little troll. Saban recruited all of the guys that transferred out of Bama. Stop worshipping or fantasizing. Whatever creepy shit you people do.

 

[IrishBeer]

Buchner is not an elite talent. You can’t win it all at ND with Buchner. He’s a guy you need to surround with elite talent. He will look better at Bama and ignorant people will say it’s Saban, Buchner is elite, and NDs coaches must just suck. It’s not. It’s the players. It’s the offense filled with first round talent with a 5th round at best QB that is very good at running the ball. That’s if he even starts or stays healthy, which I question. At ND, you need a Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams to win a title. Hartman is good. We probably need even better than him to realistically beat Georgia. Caleb Williams at ND would be a legit title contending team and very scary to Georgia. Hartman gets us to a playoff. Buchner makes us 9-3 for 3 years. It’s time to load up on CJ Carr’s are rewrite the position.

 

[NDblitz]

 

[sjb75]

Buchner is not an elite talent. You can’t win it all at ND with Buchner. He’s a guy you need to surround with elite talent. He will look better at Bama and ignorant people will say it’s Saban, Buchner is elite, and NDs coaches must just suck. It’s not. It’s the players. It’s the offense filled with first round talent with a 5th round at best QB that is very good at running the ball. That’s if he even starts or stays healthy, which I question. At ND, you need a Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams to win a title. Hartman is good. We probably need even better than him to realistically beat Georgia. Caleb Williams at ND would be a legit title contending team and very scary to Georgia. Hartman gets us to a playoff. Buchner makes us 9-3 for 3 years. It’s time to load up on CJ Carr’s are rewrite the position.

Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams instead of Ian Book is not defeating Alabama in 2020.

 

[Golson5]

Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams instead of Ian Book is not defeating Alabama in 2020.

If we had Trevor Lawrence in 18, 17 or 15 we would have had a great chance to win it all

 

[Patrirish]

I'm not saying that either, he was just a victim of circumstance, injuries and covid did him in. It is what it is, wish him the best at Alabama, except if they play ND.

👍

 

[NDDadx3]

Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams instead of Ian Book is not defeating Alabama in 2020.

Maybe maybe not, but if we swap QBs with Clemson in 2018 or Alabama in 2020 we probably win.

 

[Golson5]

Maybe maybe not, but if we swap QBs with Clemson in 2018 or Alabama in 2020 we probably win.

18 good shot

20 nah